• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:30
CEST 18:30
KST 01:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall9HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles2[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China8Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL66Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?14FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event22
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form? Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles Program: SC2 / XSplit / OBS Scene Switcher
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays Korean Starcraft League Week 77
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma
Brood War
General
Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL SC uni coach streams logging into betting site BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL20 Preliminary Maps
Tourneys
[BSL20] Grand Finals - Sunday 20:00 CET CSL Xiamen International Invitational [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Summer Games Done Quick 2024! Summer Games Done Quick 2025!
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Culture Clash in Video Games…
TrAiDoS
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 637 users

The Big Programming Thread - Page 143

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 141 142 143 144 145 1031 Next
Thread Rules
1. This is not a "do my homework for me" thread. If you have specific questions, ask, but don't post an assignment or homework problem and expect an exact solution.
2. No recruiting for your cockamamie projects (you won't replace facebook with 3 dudes you found on the internet and $20)
3. If you can't articulate why a language is bad, don't start slinging shit about it. Just remember that nothing is worse than making CSS IE6 compatible.
4. Use [code] tags to format code blocks.
billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
June 12 2012 13:49 GMT
#2841
Which do you recommend for learning C: C89, C90, or C99?

I downloaded ubuntu strictly to learn C, and apparently the default is set to either C89 or C90 (I just realized this when I initialized a declaration in a for loop--I was under the impression that it was C99). Is there a valid reason why the default isn't set to C99? I'm like a third way through with this book, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of differences. But who knows, maybe the difference widens later on?
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand. Vonnegut
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19031 Posts
June 12 2012 16:07 GMT
#2842
Raise your hand if your first language was QBASIC
o/

Yeahhhhh~
I haven't worked with Pascal, but I know from personal experience QBASIC is just fine for starting off (or at least it was in 1997).

In Ubuntu you can use C90 because GCC is awesome. Just pass -std=c90 to the compiler.
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
MisterD
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1338 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 17:37:30
June 12 2012 17:35 GMT
#2843
On June 13 2012 01:07 tofucake wrote:
Raise your hand if your first language was QBASIC
o/

Yeahhhhh~
I haven't worked with Pascal, but I know from personal experience QBASIC is just fine for starting off (or at least it was in 1997).

In Ubuntu you can use C90 because GCC is awesome. Just pass -std=c90 to the compiler.

o/

/cowers in shame

there's actually a os independent freebasic now, which is based off of qbasic (although the syntax evolved away a little bit). It's nice for writing something quickly, but if you try to make something a bit bigger, you very quickly hit the boundaries of natively supported features, which is a huge problem with it. But still, probably the better alternative than trying to get qbasic to run well on modern machines ^^
Gold isn't everything in life... you need wood, too!
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 20:54:45
June 12 2012 20:54 GMT
#2844
Alright just gonna dive into C++ and go from there, probably go into java right after. This should be an interesting year trying to learn enough to not be a complete shit in Uni.
KaiserJohan
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1808 Posts
June 12 2012 21:01 GMT
#2845
On June 12 2012 21:22 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 20:50 stafu wrote:
In my slightly biased opinion, learn C first, then C++. If you can learn C and C++ to a decent degree, everything else is easy.

C is not the best first language really. I think the old way of Pascal->C->C++->whatever is still the best. You can replace Pascal with similarly clear not OOP language and you can replace C++ with Java/C# as they have better designed OOP aspects. Reason is that before learning OOP you should learn proper structural programming and OOP aspects of Java/C# just get in the way of achieving this goal. C is bad at this as it has a lot of "unnatural" quirks. So after you master basics of structural programming , you move to C to learn the whole pointer and memory management thing. After that OOP. C# may be more natural choice due to the previous step being C, but it does not really matter.


I agree completely, well said.
I started with functional language Moscow ML and then C and then Java at university, and that is really good.
England will fight to the last American
ForgottenOne
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania236 Posts
June 12 2012 21:21 GMT
#2846
On June 13 2012 01:07 tofucake wrote:
Raise your hand if your first language was QBASIC
o/

Yeahhhhh~
I haven't worked with Pascal, but I know from personal experience QBASIC is just fine for starting off (or at least it was in 1997).

In Ubuntu you can use C90 because GCC is awesome. Just pass -std=c90 to the compiler.


My father tought me some QBASIC in the fifth grade (~98). Then I learned some more by myself. I remember the first class in Computer Science in school, the teacher didn't knew what to teach so she tought us a game to play with each other. And by the end of the class I had implemented it in QBASIC. After that I learned Pascal and Visual Basic 6.0 and made a lot of awesome things with those. Those were the times...
Born free, as free as the wind blows...
Defury
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Germany206 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 23:01:13
June 12 2012 22:57 GMT
#2847
On June 13 2012 06:01 KaiserJohan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 21:22 mcc wrote:
On June 12 2012 20:50 stafu wrote:
In my slightly biased opinion, learn C first, then C++. If you can learn C and C++ to a decent degree, everything else is easy.

C is not the best first language really. I think the old way of Pascal->C->C++->whatever is still the best. You can replace Pascal with similarly clear not OOP language and you can replace C++ with Java/C# as they have better designed OOP aspects. Reason is that before learning OOP you should learn proper structural programming and OOP aspects of Java/C# just get in the way of achieving this goal. C is bad at this as it has a lot of "unnatural" quirks. So after you master basics of structural programming , you move to C to learn the whole pointer and memory management thing. After that OOP. C# may be more natural choice due to the previous step being C, but it does not really matter.


I agree completely, well said.
I started with functional language Moscow ML and then C and then Java at university, and that is really good.


Would Pascal -> C# -> Java -> VB.net work?

Isn't pascal severely out dated and not worth learning? Would I be better off starting with something like python?
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
June 12 2012 23:10 GMT
#2848
On June 13 2012 07:57 Defury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 06:01 KaiserJohan wrote:
On June 12 2012 21:22 mcc wrote:
On June 12 2012 20:50 stafu wrote:
In my slightly biased opinion, learn C first, then C++. If you can learn C and C++ to a decent degree, everything else is easy.

C is not the best first language really. I think the old way of Pascal->C->C++->whatever is still the best. You can replace Pascal with similarly clear not OOP language and you can replace C++ with Java/C# as they have better designed OOP aspects. Reason is that before learning OOP you should learn proper structural programming and OOP aspects of Java/C# just get in the way of achieving this goal. C is bad at this as it has a lot of "unnatural" quirks. So after you master basics of structural programming , you move to C to learn the whole pointer and memory management thing. After that OOP. C# may be more natural choice due to the previous step being C, but it does not really matter.


I agree completely, well said.
I started with functional language Moscow ML and then C and then Java at university, and that is really good.


Would Pascal -> C# -> Java -> VB.net work?

Isn't pascal severely out dated and not worth learning?

Depends what you mean by not worth learning. Basically no language is worth learning in the long run just because of itself. Languages change and new ones emerge, the point of that succession was to hypothesize what is the best way to become a well rounded programmer. The point is not to learn the language, but to gain more general skills. Languages can be learned very quickly and in the process of learning are only as importnant as far as they help you to achieve that goal. Pascal is clear enough language, without too many quirks, so it fits the role of good language to teach basics of structural programming. Actually any modern practical language is probably bad for that role as they all need to support too many features that are not useful in learning process, but are crucial in practice.

As for your progression, I think the lack of C/C++ is kind of a weakness. But more importantly why would you move from C# to Java (joking ) and from Java to VB.Net (not joking ). VB is work of the devil.
RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
June 12 2012 23:23 GMT
#2849
On June 13 2012 08:10 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 07:57 Defury wrote:
On June 13 2012 06:01 KaiserJohan wrote:
On June 12 2012 21:22 mcc wrote:
On June 12 2012 20:50 stafu wrote:
In my slightly biased opinion, learn C first, then C++. If you can learn C and C++ to a decent degree, everything else is easy.

C is not the best first language really. I think the old way of Pascal->C->C++->whatever is still the best. You can replace Pascal with similarly clear not OOP language and you can replace C++ with Java/C# as they have better designed OOP aspects. Reason is that before learning OOP you should learn proper structural programming and OOP aspects of Java/C# just get in the way of achieving this goal. C is bad at this as it has a lot of "unnatural" quirks. So after you master basics of structural programming , you move to C to learn the whole pointer and memory management thing. After that OOP. C# may be more natural choice due to the previous step being C, but it does not really matter.


I agree completely, well said.
I started with functional language Moscow ML and then C and then Java at university, and that is really good.


Would Pascal -> C# -> Java -> VB.net work?

Isn't pascal severely out dated and not worth learning?

Depends what you mean by not worth learning. Basically no language is worth learning in the long run just because of itself. Languages change and new ones emerge, the point of that succession was to hypothesize what is the best way to become a well rounded programmer. The point is not to learn the language, but to gain more general skills. Languages can be learned very quickly and in the process of learning are only as importnant as far as they help you to achieve that goal. Pascal is clear enough language, without too many quirks, so it fits the role of good language to teach basics of structural programming. Actually any modern practical language is probably bad for that role as they all need to support too many features that are not useful in learning process, but are crucial in practice.

As for your progression, I think the lack of C/C++ is kind of a weakness. But more importantly why would you move from C# to Java (joking ) and from Java to VB.Net (not joking ). VB is work of the devil.


Agree with this guy ^

Its been said a million times before, but worth repeating that there is no linear progression to these things, and there is no right way to learn programming. I learned off Pascal when I was 13, before I even know what a real program was or that there ever were other languages. It worked, because then when I saw C and Java, I at least knew how to run my own program. (Best skill to learn from C/Pascal is the ability to just run the damn thing, which is an often overlooked skill)

I'd say that you should start with Python or Java though, because being able to do something out the gate is the best feeling. If you enjoy writing your own data structures, and coming up with awesome solutions, you'll end up picking up C/C++, whereas if you like the OOP parts of those languages, you'll move towards even higher level languages.

Also, VB is the work of the devil.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 00:11:19
June 13 2012 00:11 GMT
#2850
Where are the best places to start learning say C++/Java/python, I remember there used to be a link on the OP of this thread but I can't seem to find it.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
June 13 2012 13:37 GMT
#2851
they're still there, just scroll down
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
June 13 2012 13:44 GMT
#2852
On June 13 2012 07:57 Defury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 06:01 KaiserJohan wrote:
On June 12 2012 21:22 mcc wrote:
On June 12 2012 20:50 stafu wrote:
In my slightly biased opinion, learn C first, then C++. If you can learn C and C++ to a decent degree, everything else is easy.

C is not the best first language really. I think the old way of Pascal->C->C++->whatever is still the best. You can replace Pascal with similarly clear not OOP language and you can replace C++ with Java/C# as they have better designed OOP aspects. Reason is that before learning OOP you should learn proper structural programming and OOP aspects of Java/C# just get in the way of achieving this goal. C is bad at this as it has a lot of "unnatural" quirks. So after you master basics of structural programming , you move to C to learn the whole pointer and memory management thing. After that OOP. C# may be more natural choice due to the previous step being C, but it does not really matter.


I agree completely, well said.
I started with functional language Moscow ML and then C and then Java at university, and that is really good.


Would Pascal -> C# -> Java -> VB.net work?

Isn't pascal severely out dated and not worth learning? Would I be better off starting with something like python?

Whats your reasoning for that progression? Why not start with C# and then not learn the others? Do you have any need for any of those languages? I'd say that out of those languages, C# is probably the most useful one in a professional context, with Java in close second (but it depends on your area, java is used a lot more in many contexts) while the other two languages are not all that useful. VB.net is used by a lot of corporations but 1. It's extremely easy to learn if you know C# and 2. nowadays, .NET languages are interchanagble, so you could technically write your code in C# and then convert it to VB.net automagically.
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 13:48:12
June 13 2012 13:47 GMT
#2853
Server side, Java is king right now (in fact, it's so widespread it might become the next COBOL....). User applications, I would say .NET.
billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
June 13 2012 14:22 GMT
#2854
hmm..while reading and doing some exercises from K&R to learn C during the summer, it got me thinking..how exactly should I approach learning this language? I mean, I already have a decent background on java, and I would gladly use this time to learn more about java. Yet I feel that I'm learning C just to have an idea of how low level programming languages work in general. For example, if I were faced with a programming problem, a very simple problem, I would use java. Of course, it could be that I'm just not used to writing in C, but I have this notion of "why bother?" because I don't plan on writing an OS or anything like that in the future. But I do want to understand how computer systems work. I'm actually reading this, and using K&R for some C.

Am I missing out on much by learning C just for "understanding how computer systems work" rather than learning C to "understand computer systems AND be a proficient C programmer?"
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand. Vonnegut
KurtistheTurtle
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1966 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 00:11:21
June 13 2012 23:42 GMT
#2855
What am I doing wrong? (Trying to create static method to validate input)


package project.pkg2;
/**
*
* // Author: KurtistheTurtle
* // Date: 6/13/12
* // Description: Calculate total number of types of coins per value under 99 cents
*/




import java.util.Scanner;
public class Project2 {



public static void main(String[] args) {
//declare variables
int totalCents, quarters, dimes, nickels, pennies, iterations;
iterations = 0;
String choice = "y";
//create a new scanner type
Scanner sc = new Scanner(System.in);
//while to see if they want to continue
while (choice.equalsIgnoreCase("y"))
{
System.out.println("Welcome to Change Calculator");

//validate range and integer here
totalCents = getInt(sc, prompt); <---problem is right here

totalCents = sc.nextInt();

quarters = totalCents/25; //calculate quarters
totalCents = totalCents % 25; //capture the remainder

dimes = totalCents / 10; //calculate dimes
totalCents = totalCents % 10; //catch the remainder

nickels = totalCents / 5; //calculate nickels
totalCents = totalCents % 10; //catch the remainder

pennies = totalCents - (5 * nickels);

System.out.println("You have: ");
System.out.println("Quarters: \t" + quarters);
System.out.println("Dimes: \t\t" + dimes);
System.out.println("Nickels: \t" + nickels);
System.out.println("Pennies: \t" + pennies);

iterations++;
System.out.print("Do you want to continue? y/n: ");
choice = sc.next();

} // end of want to continue

System.out.println("Iterations: " + iterations);

} // end of main method

public static int getInt(Scanner sc, String prompt)
{
prompt = "Enter Cents: 0-99";
int i = 0;
boolean isValid = false;
while (isValid == false)
{ //while start
System.out.print(prompt);
if (sc.hasNextInt())
{
i = sc.nextInt();
isValid = true;
}
else
{
System.out.print("Error! Invalid Input. Try Again.");
}
sc.nextLine(); //discard the entire line
} //isValid while end
return i;
} //getInt end


} //class

“Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears."
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19031 Posts
June 13 2012 23:59 GMT
#2856
semicolon
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
GaiaCaT
Profile Joined June 2011
35 Posts
June 14 2012 00:55 GMT
#2857
prompt not declared?
KurtistheTurtle
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1966 Posts
June 14 2012 00:57 GMT
#2858
so i got caught up by syntax that wasn't in the book. you declare prompt when you call the class in the main method

**fixed!**
“Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears."
ahr28
Profile Joined May 2011
6 Posts
June 15 2012 20:12 GMT
#2859
On June 13 2012 05:54 Esoterikk wrote:
Alright just gonna dive into C++ and go from there, probably go into java right after. This should be an interesting year trying to learn enough to not be a complete shit in Uni.


Ditto my friend. Hope youre not forced to actually completely rely on outside sources like the internet and books to learn about complex algorithms and programming the first year in college just because the teachers are inadequate and the courses/syllabi are utter sh**. Really mad while i'm typing this because I flunked my first year because of this and I have to redo most of my exams in august... FML!
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 05:19:42
June 18 2012 05:15 GMT
#2860
On June 13 2012 08:23 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 08:10 mcc wrote:
On June 13 2012 07:57 Defury wrote:
On June 13 2012 06:01 KaiserJohan wrote:
On June 12 2012 21:22 mcc wrote:
On June 12 2012 20:50 stafu wrote:
In my slightly biased opinion, learn C first, then C++. If you can learn C and C++ to a decent degree, everything else is easy.

C is not the best first language really. I think the old way of Pascal->C->C++->whatever is still the best. You can replace Pascal with similarly clear not OOP language and you can replace C++ with Java/C# as they have better designed OOP aspects. Reason is that before learning OOP you should learn proper structural programming and OOP aspects of Java/C# just get in the way of achieving this goal. C is bad at this as it has a lot of "unnatural" quirks. So after you master basics of structural programming , you move to C to learn the whole pointer and memory management thing. After that OOP. C# may be more natural choice due to the previous step being C, but it does not really matter.


I agree completely, well said.
I started with functional language Moscow ML and then C and then Java at university, and that is really good.


Would Pascal -> C# -> Java -> VB.net work?

Isn't pascal severely out dated and not worth learning?

Depends what you mean by not worth learning. Basically no language is worth learning in the long run just because of itself. Languages change and new ones emerge, the point of that succession was to hypothesize what is the best way to become a well rounded programmer. The point is not to learn the language, but to gain more general skills. Languages can be learned very quickly and in the process of learning are only as importnant as far as they help you to achieve that goal. Pascal is clear enough language, without too many quirks, so it fits the role of good language to teach basics of structural programming. Actually any modern practical language is probably bad for that role as they all need to support too many features that are not useful in learning process, but are crucial in practice.

As for your progression, I think the lack of C/C++ is kind of a weakness. But more importantly why would you move from C# to Java (joking ) and from Java to VB.Net (not joking ). VB is work of the devil.


Agree with this guy ^

Its been said a million times before, but worth repeating that there is no linear progression to these things, and there is no right way to learn programming. I learned off Pascal when I was 13, before I even know what a real program was or that there ever were other languages. It worked, because then when I saw C and Java, I at least knew how to run my own program. (Best skill to learn from C/Pascal is the ability to just run the damn thing, which is an often overlooked skill)

I'd say that you should start with Python or Java though, because being able to do something out the gate is the best feeling. If you enjoy writing your own data structures, and coming up with awesome solutions, you'll end up picking up C/C++, whereas if you like the OOP parts of those languages, you'll move towards even higher level languages.

Also, VB is the work of the devil.


On June 13 2012 22:44 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 07:57 Defury wrote:
On June 13 2012 06:01 KaiserJohan wrote:
On June 12 2012 21:22 mcc wrote:
On June 12 2012 20:50 stafu wrote:
In my slightly biased opinion, learn C first, then C++. If you can learn C and C++ to a decent degree, everything else is easy.

C is not the best first language really. I think the old way of Pascal->C->C++->whatever is still the best. You can replace Pascal with similarly clear not OOP language and you can replace C++ with Java/C# as they have better designed OOP aspects. Reason is that before learning OOP you should learn proper structural programming and OOP aspects of Java/C# just get in the way of achieving this goal. C is bad at this as it has a lot of "unnatural" quirks. So after you master basics of structural programming , you move to C to learn the whole pointer and memory management thing. After that OOP. C# may be more natural choice due to the previous step being C, but it does not really matter.


I agree completely, well said.
I started with functional language Moscow ML and then C and then Java at university, and that is really good.


Would Pascal -> C# -> Java -> VB.net work?

Isn't pascal severely out dated and not worth learning? Would I be better off starting with something like python?

Whats your reasoning for that progression? Why not start with C# and then not learn the others? Do you have any need for any of those languages? I'd say that out of those languages, C# is probably the most useful one in a professional context, with Java in close second (but it depends on your area, java is used a lot more in many contexts) while the other two languages are not all that useful. VB.net is used by a lot of corporations but 1. It's extremely easy to learn if you know C# and 2. nowadays, .NET languages are interchanagble, so you could technically write your code in C# and then convert it to VB.net automagically.


I agree, but there is an order in which you should learn paradigms which is why Pascal/C should be learned first, followed by Java/C#, followed by Javascript/Ruby/Lisp, followed by Haskell, etc.

You should learn the paradigms in this order.

Structured -> Object Oriented -> Imperative Functional -> Declarative Functional.

Going backwards is far more difficult and you will learn a lot slower and develop bad habits. Learning them in the order mentioned above will ensure that you have the best chance of having stronger fundamentals when learning programming.

For example, you need to know functional decomposition to do any language, but you only need to know object decomposition in OOP/FP. Learning Pascal first teaches functional decomposition because that's the primary skill required in structured programming.

Functional decomposition can be (and should be) applied to Java, but with Java there is a bigger focus on object decomposition, which can't be applied to Pascal. The catch is that object decomposition is a lot harder when you don't understand functional decomposition and you end up coming up with some really awkward designs. There is nothing more frustrating than seeing objects decomposed without a second thought applied to functional decomposition, because the developer who coded it started with Java.

So if you want to progress in the a way that ensures the best chance of being a solid programmer, you should follow the order mentioned above.

Not everybody learned it this way, and I'm sure there's some experts out there that started with Haskell. But just from my own experience I think this is the best way.
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
Prev 1 141 142 143 144 145 1031 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RotterdaM Event
16:00
Rotti Stream Rumble 4k Edition
RotterdaM443
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 762
RotterdaM 443
Hui .357
MaxPax 334
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 1941
EffOrt 1308
Flash 1304
Jaedong 1180
Hyuk 821
Stork 371
actioN 369
Soulkey 276
Soma 275
Snow 187
[ Show more ]
firebathero 175
Mind 98
JulyZerg 71
TY 69
sSak 64
Barracks 57
Sharp 50
JYJ46
Terrorterran 45
PianO 43
Rock 31
HiyA 21
Aegong 20
soO 16
yabsab 15
GoRush 11
Shine 8
IntoTheRainbow 7
Dota 2
Gorgc6615
qojqva3321
League of Legends
singsing2289
Dendi1253
Counter-Strike
fl0m1143
markeloff176
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King204
Other Games
hiko1544
Beastyqt844
ceh9366
Lowko307
crisheroes263
ArmadaUGS149
KnowMe140
Trikslyr62
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick47269
StarCraft 2
angryscii 21
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 7
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis6915
• TFBlade833
• Jankos802
Other Games
• Shiphtur316
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
7h 30m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
17h 30m
WardiTV European League
23h 30m
MaNa vs sebesdes
Mixu vs Fjant
ByuN vs HeRoMaRinE
ShoWTimE vs goblin
Gerald vs Babymarine
Krystianer vs YoungYakov
PiGosaur Monday
1d 7h
The PondCast
1d 17h
WardiTV European League
1d 19h
Jumy vs NightPhoenix
Percival vs Nicoract
ArT vs HiGhDrA
MaxPax vs Harstem
Scarlett vs Shameless
SKillous vs uThermal
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 23h
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs Reynor
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
Classic vs Cure
FEL
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
FEL
4 days
FEL
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
5 days
Bonyth vs QiaoGege
Dewalt vs Fengzi
Hawk vs Zhanhun
Sziky vs Mihu
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Sziky
Fengzi vs Hawk
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
FEL
5 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
6 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
QiaoGege vs Dewalt
Hawk vs Bonyth
Sziky vs Fengzi
Mihu vs Zhanhun
QiaoGege vs Zhanhun
Fengzi vs Mihu
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 20
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSL Xiamen Invitational
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Disclosure: This page contains affiliate marketing links that support TLnet.

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.