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billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
June 12 2012 13:49 GMT
#2841
Which do you recommend for learning C: C89, C90, or C99?

I downloaded ubuntu strictly to learn C, and apparently the default is set to either C89 or C90 (I just realized this when I initialized a declaration in a for loop--I was under the impression that it was C99). Is there a valid reason why the default isn't set to C99? I'm like a third way through with this book, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of differences. But who knows, maybe the difference widens later on?
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand. Vonnegut
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19253 Posts
June 12 2012 16:07 GMT
#2842
Raise your hand if your first language was QBASIC
o/

Yeahhhhh~
I haven't worked with Pascal, but I know from personal experience QBASIC is just fine for starting off (or at least it was in 1997).

In Ubuntu you can use C90 because GCC is awesome. Just pass -std=c90 to the compiler.
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
MisterD
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1338 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 17:37:30
June 12 2012 17:35 GMT
#2843
On June 13 2012 01:07 tofucake wrote:
Raise your hand if your first language was QBASIC
o/

Yeahhhhh~
I haven't worked with Pascal, but I know from personal experience QBASIC is just fine for starting off (or at least it was in 1997).

In Ubuntu you can use C90 because GCC is awesome. Just pass -std=c90 to the compiler.

o/

/cowers in shame

there's actually a os independent freebasic now, which is based off of qbasic (although the syntax evolved away a little bit). It's nice for writing something quickly, but if you try to make something a bit bigger, you very quickly hit the boundaries of natively supported features, which is a huge problem with it. But still, probably the better alternative than trying to get qbasic to run well on modern machines ^^
Gold isn't everything in life... you need wood, too!
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 20:54:45
June 12 2012 20:54 GMT
#2844
Alright just gonna dive into C++ and go from there, probably go into java right after. This should be an interesting year trying to learn enough to not be a complete shit in Uni.
KaiserJohan
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1808 Posts
June 12 2012 21:01 GMT
#2845
On June 12 2012 21:22 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 20:50 stafu wrote:
In my slightly biased opinion, learn C first, then C++. If you can learn C and C++ to a decent degree, everything else is easy.

C is not the best first language really. I think the old way of Pascal->C->C++->whatever is still the best. You can replace Pascal with similarly clear not OOP language and you can replace C++ with Java/C# as they have better designed OOP aspects. Reason is that before learning OOP you should learn proper structural programming and OOP aspects of Java/C# just get in the way of achieving this goal. C is bad at this as it has a lot of "unnatural" quirks. So after you master basics of structural programming , you move to C to learn the whole pointer and memory management thing. After that OOP. C# may be more natural choice due to the previous step being C, but it does not really matter.


I agree completely, well said.
I started with functional language Moscow ML and then C and then Java at university, and that is really good.
England will fight to the last American
ForgottenOne
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania236 Posts
June 12 2012 21:21 GMT
#2846
On June 13 2012 01:07 tofucake wrote:
Raise your hand if your first language was QBASIC
o/

Yeahhhhh~
I haven't worked with Pascal, but I know from personal experience QBASIC is just fine for starting off (or at least it was in 1997).

In Ubuntu you can use C90 because GCC is awesome. Just pass -std=c90 to the compiler.


My father tought me some QBASIC in the fifth grade (~98). Then I learned some more by myself. I remember the first class in Computer Science in school, the teacher didn't knew what to teach so she tought us a game to play with each other. And by the end of the class I had implemented it in QBASIC. After that I learned Pascal and Visual Basic 6.0 and made a lot of awesome things with those. Those were the times...
Born free, as free as the wind blows...
Defury
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Germany206 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 23:01:13
June 12 2012 22:57 GMT
#2847
On June 13 2012 06:01 KaiserJohan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 21:22 mcc wrote:
On June 12 2012 20:50 stafu wrote:
In my slightly biased opinion, learn C first, then C++. If you can learn C and C++ to a decent degree, everything else is easy.

C is not the best first language really. I think the old way of Pascal->C->C++->whatever is still the best. You can replace Pascal with similarly clear not OOP language and you can replace C++ with Java/C# as they have better designed OOP aspects. Reason is that before learning OOP you should learn proper structural programming and OOP aspects of Java/C# just get in the way of achieving this goal. C is bad at this as it has a lot of "unnatural" quirks. So after you master basics of structural programming , you move to C to learn the whole pointer and memory management thing. After that OOP. C# may be more natural choice due to the previous step being C, but it does not really matter.


I agree completely, well said.
I started with functional language Moscow ML and then C and then Java at university, and that is really good.


Would Pascal -> C# -> Java -> VB.net work?

Isn't pascal severely out dated and not worth learning? Would I be better off starting with something like python?
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
June 12 2012 23:10 GMT
#2848
On June 13 2012 07:57 Defury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 06:01 KaiserJohan wrote:
On June 12 2012 21:22 mcc wrote:
On June 12 2012 20:50 stafu wrote:
In my slightly biased opinion, learn C first, then C++. If you can learn C and C++ to a decent degree, everything else is easy.

C is not the best first language really. I think the old way of Pascal->C->C++->whatever is still the best. You can replace Pascal with similarly clear not OOP language and you can replace C++ with Java/C# as they have better designed OOP aspects. Reason is that before learning OOP you should learn proper structural programming and OOP aspects of Java/C# just get in the way of achieving this goal. C is bad at this as it has a lot of "unnatural" quirks. So after you master basics of structural programming , you move to C to learn the whole pointer and memory management thing. After that OOP. C# may be more natural choice due to the previous step being C, but it does not really matter.


I agree completely, well said.
I started with functional language Moscow ML and then C and then Java at university, and that is really good.


Would Pascal -> C# -> Java -> VB.net work?

Isn't pascal severely out dated and not worth learning?

Depends what you mean by not worth learning. Basically no language is worth learning in the long run just because of itself. Languages change and new ones emerge, the point of that succession was to hypothesize what is the best way to become a well rounded programmer. The point is not to learn the language, but to gain more general skills. Languages can be learned very quickly and in the process of learning are only as importnant as far as they help you to achieve that goal. Pascal is clear enough language, without too many quirks, so it fits the role of good language to teach basics of structural programming. Actually any modern practical language is probably bad for that role as they all need to support too many features that are not useful in learning process, but are crucial in practice.

As for your progression, I think the lack of C/C++ is kind of a weakness. But more importantly why would you move from C# to Java (joking ) and from Java to VB.Net (not joking ). VB is work of the devil.
RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
June 12 2012 23:23 GMT
#2849
On June 13 2012 08:10 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 07:57 Defury wrote:
On June 13 2012 06:01 KaiserJohan wrote:
On June 12 2012 21:22 mcc wrote:
On June 12 2012 20:50 stafu wrote:
In my slightly biased opinion, learn C first, then C++. If you can learn C and C++ to a decent degree, everything else is easy.

C is not the best first language really. I think the old way of Pascal->C->C++->whatever is still the best. You can replace Pascal with similarly clear not OOP language and you can replace C++ with Java/C# as they have better designed OOP aspects. Reason is that before learning OOP you should learn proper structural programming and OOP aspects of Java/C# just get in the way of achieving this goal. C is bad at this as it has a lot of "unnatural" quirks. So after you master basics of structural programming , you move to C to learn the whole pointer and memory management thing. After that OOP. C# may be more natural choice due to the previous step being C, but it does not really matter.


I agree completely, well said.
I started with functional language Moscow ML and then C and then Java at university, and that is really good.


Would Pascal -> C# -> Java -> VB.net work?

Isn't pascal severely out dated and not worth learning?

Depends what you mean by not worth learning. Basically no language is worth learning in the long run just because of itself. Languages change and new ones emerge, the point of that succession was to hypothesize what is the best way to become a well rounded programmer. The point is not to learn the language, but to gain more general skills. Languages can be learned very quickly and in the process of learning are only as importnant as far as they help you to achieve that goal. Pascal is clear enough language, without too many quirks, so it fits the role of good language to teach basics of structural programming. Actually any modern practical language is probably bad for that role as they all need to support too many features that are not useful in learning process, but are crucial in practice.

As for your progression, I think the lack of C/C++ is kind of a weakness. But more importantly why would you move from C# to Java (joking ) and from Java to VB.Net (not joking ). VB is work of the devil.


Agree with this guy ^

Its been said a million times before, but worth repeating that there is no linear progression to these things, and there is no right way to learn programming. I learned off Pascal when I was 13, before I even know what a real program was or that there ever were other languages. It worked, because then when I saw C and Java, I at least knew how to run my own program. (Best skill to learn from C/Pascal is the ability to just run the damn thing, which is an often overlooked skill)

I'd say that you should start with Python or Java though, because being able to do something out the gate is the best feeling. If you enjoy writing your own data structures, and coming up with awesome solutions, you'll end up picking up C/C++, whereas if you like the OOP parts of those languages, you'll move towards even higher level languages.

Also, VB is the work of the devil.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 00:11:19
June 13 2012 00:11 GMT
#2850
Where are the best places to start learning say C++/Java/python, I remember there used to be a link on the OP of this thread but I can't seem to find it.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
June 13 2012 13:37 GMT
#2851
they're still there, just scroll down
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
June 13 2012 13:44 GMT
#2852
On June 13 2012 07:57 Defury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 06:01 KaiserJohan wrote:
On June 12 2012 21:22 mcc wrote:
On June 12 2012 20:50 stafu wrote:
In my slightly biased opinion, learn C first, then C++. If you can learn C and C++ to a decent degree, everything else is easy.

C is not the best first language really. I think the old way of Pascal->C->C++->whatever is still the best. You can replace Pascal with similarly clear not OOP language and you can replace C++ with Java/C# as they have better designed OOP aspects. Reason is that before learning OOP you should learn proper structural programming and OOP aspects of Java/C# just get in the way of achieving this goal. C is bad at this as it has a lot of "unnatural" quirks. So after you master basics of structural programming , you move to C to learn the whole pointer and memory management thing. After that OOP. C# may be more natural choice due to the previous step being C, but it does not really matter.


I agree completely, well said.
I started with functional language Moscow ML and then C and then Java at university, and that is really good.


Would Pascal -> C# -> Java -> VB.net work?

Isn't pascal severely out dated and not worth learning? Would I be better off starting with something like python?

Whats your reasoning for that progression? Why not start with C# and then not learn the others? Do you have any need for any of those languages? I'd say that out of those languages, C# is probably the most useful one in a professional context, with Java in close second (but it depends on your area, java is used a lot more in many contexts) while the other two languages are not all that useful. VB.net is used by a lot of corporations but 1. It's extremely easy to learn if you know C# and 2. nowadays, .NET languages are interchanagble, so you could technically write your code in C# and then convert it to VB.net automagically.
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 13:48:12
June 13 2012 13:47 GMT
#2853
Server side, Java is king right now (in fact, it's so widespread it might become the next COBOL....). User applications, I would say .NET.
billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
June 13 2012 14:22 GMT
#2854
hmm..while reading and doing some exercises from K&R to learn C during the summer, it got me thinking..how exactly should I approach learning this language? I mean, I already have a decent background on java, and I would gladly use this time to learn more about java. Yet I feel that I'm learning C just to have an idea of how low level programming languages work in general. For example, if I were faced with a programming problem, a very simple problem, I would use java. Of course, it could be that I'm just not used to writing in C, but I have this notion of "why bother?" because I don't plan on writing an OS or anything like that in the future. But I do want to understand how computer systems work. I'm actually reading this, and using K&R for some C.

Am I missing out on much by learning C just for "understanding how computer systems work" rather than learning C to "understand computer systems AND be a proficient C programmer?"
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand. Vonnegut
KurtistheTurtle
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1966 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 00:11:21
June 13 2012 23:42 GMT
#2855
What am I doing wrong? (Trying to create static method to validate input)


package project.pkg2;
/**
*
* // Author: KurtistheTurtle
* // Date: 6/13/12
* // Description: Calculate total number of types of coins per value under 99 cents
*/




import java.util.Scanner;
public class Project2 {



public static void main(String[] args) {
//declare variables
int totalCents, quarters, dimes, nickels, pennies, iterations;
iterations = 0;
String choice = "y";
//create a new scanner type
Scanner sc = new Scanner(System.in);
//while to see if they want to continue
while (choice.equalsIgnoreCase("y"))
{
System.out.println("Welcome to Change Calculator");

//validate range and integer here
totalCents = getInt(sc, prompt); <---problem is right here

totalCents = sc.nextInt();

quarters = totalCents/25; //calculate quarters
totalCents = totalCents % 25; //capture the remainder

dimes = totalCents / 10; //calculate dimes
totalCents = totalCents % 10; //catch the remainder

nickels = totalCents / 5; //calculate nickels
totalCents = totalCents % 10; //catch the remainder

pennies = totalCents - (5 * nickels);

System.out.println("You have: ");
System.out.println("Quarters: \t" + quarters);
System.out.println("Dimes: \t\t" + dimes);
System.out.println("Nickels: \t" + nickels);
System.out.println("Pennies: \t" + pennies);

iterations++;
System.out.print("Do you want to continue? y/n: ");
choice = sc.next();

} // end of want to continue

System.out.println("Iterations: " + iterations);

} // end of main method

public static int getInt(Scanner sc, String prompt)
{
prompt = "Enter Cents: 0-99";
int i = 0;
boolean isValid = false;
while (isValid == false)
{ //while start
System.out.print(prompt);
if (sc.hasNextInt())
{
i = sc.nextInt();
isValid = true;
}
else
{
System.out.print("Error! Invalid Input. Try Again.");
}
sc.nextLine(); //discard the entire line
} //isValid while end
return i;
} //getInt end


} //class

“Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears."
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19253 Posts
June 13 2012 23:59 GMT
#2856
semicolon
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
GaiaCaT
Profile Joined June 2011
35 Posts
June 14 2012 00:55 GMT
#2857
prompt not declared?
KurtistheTurtle
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1966 Posts
June 14 2012 00:57 GMT
#2858
so i got caught up by syntax that wasn't in the book. you declare prompt when you call the class in the main method

**fixed!**
“Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears."
ahr28
Profile Joined May 2011
6 Posts
June 15 2012 20:12 GMT
#2859
On June 13 2012 05:54 Esoterikk wrote:
Alright just gonna dive into C++ and go from there, probably go into java right after. This should be an interesting year trying to learn enough to not be a complete shit in Uni.


Ditto my friend. Hope youre not forced to actually completely rely on outside sources like the internet and books to learn about complex algorithms and programming the first year in college just because the teachers are inadequate and the courses/syllabi are utter sh**. Really mad while i'm typing this because I flunked my first year because of this and I have to redo most of my exams in august... FML!
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 05:19:42
June 18 2012 05:15 GMT
#2860
On June 13 2012 08:23 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 08:10 mcc wrote:
On June 13 2012 07:57 Defury wrote:
On June 13 2012 06:01 KaiserJohan wrote:
On June 12 2012 21:22 mcc wrote:
On June 12 2012 20:50 stafu wrote:
In my slightly biased opinion, learn C first, then C++. If you can learn C and C++ to a decent degree, everything else is easy.

C is not the best first language really. I think the old way of Pascal->C->C++->whatever is still the best. You can replace Pascal with similarly clear not OOP language and you can replace C++ with Java/C# as they have better designed OOP aspects. Reason is that before learning OOP you should learn proper structural programming and OOP aspects of Java/C# just get in the way of achieving this goal. C is bad at this as it has a lot of "unnatural" quirks. So after you master basics of structural programming , you move to C to learn the whole pointer and memory management thing. After that OOP. C# may be more natural choice due to the previous step being C, but it does not really matter.


I agree completely, well said.
I started with functional language Moscow ML and then C and then Java at university, and that is really good.


Would Pascal -> C# -> Java -> VB.net work?

Isn't pascal severely out dated and not worth learning?

Depends what you mean by not worth learning. Basically no language is worth learning in the long run just because of itself. Languages change and new ones emerge, the point of that succession was to hypothesize what is the best way to become a well rounded programmer. The point is not to learn the language, but to gain more general skills. Languages can be learned very quickly and in the process of learning are only as importnant as far as they help you to achieve that goal. Pascal is clear enough language, without too many quirks, so it fits the role of good language to teach basics of structural programming. Actually any modern practical language is probably bad for that role as they all need to support too many features that are not useful in learning process, but are crucial in practice.

As for your progression, I think the lack of C/C++ is kind of a weakness. But more importantly why would you move from C# to Java (joking ) and from Java to VB.Net (not joking ). VB is work of the devil.


Agree with this guy ^

Its been said a million times before, but worth repeating that there is no linear progression to these things, and there is no right way to learn programming. I learned off Pascal when I was 13, before I even know what a real program was or that there ever were other languages. It worked, because then when I saw C and Java, I at least knew how to run my own program. (Best skill to learn from C/Pascal is the ability to just run the damn thing, which is an often overlooked skill)

I'd say that you should start with Python or Java though, because being able to do something out the gate is the best feeling. If you enjoy writing your own data structures, and coming up with awesome solutions, you'll end up picking up C/C++, whereas if you like the OOP parts of those languages, you'll move towards even higher level languages.

Also, VB is the work of the devil.


On June 13 2012 22:44 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 07:57 Defury wrote:
On June 13 2012 06:01 KaiserJohan wrote:
On June 12 2012 21:22 mcc wrote:
On June 12 2012 20:50 stafu wrote:
In my slightly biased opinion, learn C first, then C++. If you can learn C and C++ to a decent degree, everything else is easy.

C is not the best first language really. I think the old way of Pascal->C->C++->whatever is still the best. You can replace Pascal with similarly clear not OOP language and you can replace C++ with Java/C# as they have better designed OOP aspects. Reason is that before learning OOP you should learn proper structural programming and OOP aspects of Java/C# just get in the way of achieving this goal. C is bad at this as it has a lot of "unnatural" quirks. So after you master basics of structural programming , you move to C to learn the whole pointer and memory management thing. After that OOP. C# may be more natural choice due to the previous step being C, but it does not really matter.


I agree completely, well said.
I started with functional language Moscow ML and then C and then Java at university, and that is really good.


Would Pascal -> C# -> Java -> VB.net work?

Isn't pascal severely out dated and not worth learning? Would I be better off starting with something like python?

Whats your reasoning for that progression? Why not start with C# and then not learn the others? Do you have any need for any of those languages? I'd say that out of those languages, C# is probably the most useful one in a professional context, with Java in close second (but it depends on your area, java is used a lot more in many contexts) while the other two languages are not all that useful. VB.net is used by a lot of corporations but 1. It's extremely easy to learn if you know C# and 2. nowadays, .NET languages are interchanagble, so you could technically write your code in C# and then convert it to VB.net automagically.


I agree, but there is an order in which you should learn paradigms which is why Pascal/C should be learned first, followed by Java/C#, followed by Javascript/Ruby/Lisp, followed by Haskell, etc.

You should learn the paradigms in this order.

Structured -> Object Oriented -> Imperative Functional -> Declarative Functional.

Going backwards is far more difficult and you will learn a lot slower and develop bad habits. Learning them in the order mentioned above will ensure that you have the best chance of having stronger fundamentals when learning programming.

For example, you need to know functional decomposition to do any language, but you only need to know object decomposition in OOP/FP. Learning Pascal first teaches functional decomposition because that's the primary skill required in structured programming.

Functional decomposition can be (and should be) applied to Java, but with Java there is a bigger focus on object decomposition, which can't be applied to Pascal. The catch is that object decomposition is a lot harder when you don't understand functional decomposition and you end up coming up with some really awkward designs. There is nothing more frustrating than seeing objects decomposed without a second thought applied to functional decomposition, because the developer who coded it started with Java.

So if you want to progress in the a way that ensures the best chance of being a solid programmer, you should follow the order mentioned above.

Not everybody learned it this way, and I'm sure there's some experts out there that started with Haskell. But just from my own experience I think this is the best way.
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