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Ym1r
United States1164 Posts
"The agency also claims 60 years of US sanctions have caused a loss of $US13.7 trillion by 2005, while property losses were estimated at $US16.7 trillion." Sanctions were brought upon by themselves, tbh. I can't say we had a true purpose there for the war, but without us being there who would know if anything starcraft related would exist if we didn't intervene? http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/24/2936414.htm | ||
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Dance.jhu
United States292 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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sputnik.theory
Poland449 Posts
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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Deleted User 31060
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that's an absurd amount of money to just suddenly demand of a nation. I bet US diplomats are laughing at this. | ||
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yomi
United States773 Posts
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
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Antoine
United States7481 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:04 Wr3k wrote: That's what happens when you have shitty foreign relations and a leader who acts like a low-fat version of Hitler. Come on now, at least put some effort into your posts (or your education). If you compare him to any past dictator, he's much more in the vein of Stalin. | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
why does NK care. start your counterfeit printing presses and away you go!!!  | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:05 Sfydjklm wrote: It's easy to say brought on themselves, but the truth is, these sanctions have cost a lot of lives. The sanctions wouldn't have cost many lives if North Korean leadership didn't think that military strength & state controlled economy was more important than economic prosperity and international trade. | ||
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sputnik.theory
Poland449 Posts
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:05 Sfydjklm wrote: It's easy to say brought on themselves, but the truth is, these sanctions have cost a lot of lives. If the purpose of sanctions were to retard growth, create isolationist regimes and kill people; they have been successful. | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:07 Antoine wrote: Come on now, at least put some effort into your posts (or your education). If you compare him to any past dictator, he's much more in the vein of Stalin. Yeah, I initially was going to write Stalin since they do have alot in common, but Kim Jong-Il's military policy makes me think Hitler pre-WW2. Ultimately its apples and oranges comparing any of the three, and it was intended to be inflammatory/funny rather than a serious scholarly comparison lol. The whole declaring himself "Supreme leader" thing also makes me think Hitler more than Stalin for some reason. | ||
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Nithix
United States184 Posts
Sorry, thats all I could think of. Pretty crazy though, hope this doesn't anything TOO serious. Sigh. | ||
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Fruscainte
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:19 Nithix wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY Sorry, thats all I could think of. Pretty crazy though, hope this doesn't anything TOO serious. Sigh. That's exactly what I thought of. It just feels like more loud noises and posturing from the glorious leader. There's no follow through. | ||
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
Does North Korea have the grounds to ask for this money in the first place? | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:23 blahman3344 wrote: Just curious, sorry for my ignorance: Does North Korea have the grounds to ask for this money in the first place? they can ask for anything- doesn't mean we have to give them anything NORTH KOREA BEST KOREA! | ||
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sputnik.theory
Poland449 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:19 Nithix wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY Sorry, thats all I could think of. Pretty crazy though, hope this doesn't anything TOO serious. Sigh. oh my, you almost made me laugh so hard that I woke someone up wp | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:02 Dance.jhu wrote: North Korea is best Korea. User was temp banned for this post. On June 25 2010 12:25 Misrah wrote: they can ask for anything- doesn't mean we have to give them anything NORTH KOREA BEST KOREA! Rofl | ||
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:33 O-ops wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2010 12:02 Dance.jhu wrote: North Korea is best Korea. User was temp banned for this post. On June 25 2010 12:25 Misrah wrote: they can ask for anything- doesn't mean we have to give them anything NORTH KOREA BEST KOREA! Rofl one has an "is," the other doesn't =P or it could just be that one has content as well while the other is just the meme itself | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:24 KOFgokuon wrote: what a joke | ||
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Fraidnot
United States824 Posts
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
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Ym1r
United States1164 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:48 3 Lions wrote: hmm maybe they're thinking of using that 75 trillion to lure some better soccer players to their country Or maybe they wanna purchase more Chinese people to pretend to be fans | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:55 Ym1r wrote: Or maybe they wanna purchase more Chinese people to pretend to be fans Or maybe hiring other people to play soccer for them | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:07 Wr3k wrote: The sanctions wouldn't have cost many lives if North Korean leadership didn't think that military strength & state controlled economy was more important than economic prosperity and international trade. see, you defend the ways american policies are implemented, i.e. "we impose our vision of right and wrong on everyone we think is wrong" while i support the idea behind the american policies, i.e. "we should make the world a better place for people." | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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Lord_of_Chaos
Sweden372 Posts
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Bub
United States3518 Posts
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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moon`
United States372 Posts
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McDonalds
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
On June 25 2010 13:14 Lord_of_Chaos wrote: Given that it's still war between South and North Korea (a war that North Korea started) it's pretty natural that US, being an ally of South Korea, has sanctions against North Korea. In 1945, following the surrender of Japan, American administrators divided the peninsula along the 38th parallel, with United States troops occupying the southern part and Soviet troops occupying the northern part. | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
Shhh! The peasants might figure something out! America doesn't "occupy and divide" anything! We just encourage democracy! | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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Lexpar
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
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Three
Japan278 Posts
On June 25 2010 13:39 myopia wrote: So it's RUSSIA's fault, clearly. whoa whoa whoa, you're forgetting to encourage the notion that everything is the sole fault of the united states, sir | ||
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Polar_Nada
United States1548 Posts
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
On June 25 2010 13:06 Sfydjklm wrote: see, you defend the ways american policies are implemented, i.e. "we impose our vision of right and wrong on everyone we think is wrong" while i support the idea behind the american policies, i.e. "we should make the world a better place for people." I wasn't defending anything, it's merely a cause/effect relationship where North Korean leadership made a choice to ignore the threat of sanctions. It was their own mistake. The US is the big dog in this situation, and you don't piss off the big dog unless you want to get bitten. The big dog is going to do whats best for itself anyways because its the big dog and whether or not the big dog is an asshole or doing the right thing is subjective. I don't really know enough about the entire fiasco to defend sanctioning a country to the point of people losing their lives. All I do know is that I believe in democracy and the market economy and am not overly fond of a leader who is willing to let his people live in poverty while he dumps money into the military. | ||
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MorningMusume11
United States3490 Posts
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
On June 25 2010 14:05 MorningMusume11 wrote: This would be good material for another season for 24... if there was another season -_- Thank god its finally over. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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KimchiFriedRice
Canada237 Posts
If I get it then N Korea can get it too :D | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4332 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:07 blahman3344 wrote: *sigh* I don't know much about the North Korea/United States relationship, but i think $75 trillion is just wayy too much. <.< tis more than the yearly GDP of the entire planet! | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On June 25 2010 14:02 Polar_Nada wrote: lol what is this maddness O.o THIS. IS. NORTH KOREAAAAAAAAAAAA ! | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
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zenMaster
Canada761 Posts
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Kashmir
New Zealand178 Posts
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Antiochus
Canada548 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On June 25 2010 13:06 Sfydjklm wrote: see, you defend the ways american policies are implemented, i.e. "we impose our vision of right and wrong on everyone we think is wrong" while i support the idea behind the american policies, i.e. "we should make the world a better place for people." I agree that (non-military) sanctions tend to strengthen isolationist regimes rather than weakening them, Kim Jong Il will smuggle in his luxury goods anyway. Some contact with the world would make it more difficult to brainwash the north koreans. This doesn't excuse the leadership of the country, they are people who know very well what they are doing to their population in exchange for power. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:02 Dance.jhu wrote: North Korea is best Korea. User was temp banned for this post. I don't know why but I found that temp ban hilarious. | ||
Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
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Telemako
Spain1636 Posts
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
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vizniz
United States120 Posts
Really, the whole country is so far behind everywhere else, but the citizens don't know it. Cell phones? Yeah right. Kim Jong Il has them completely brainwashed with all sorts of false facts about the US. Most of them are convinced that we're constantly considering invading them because we're some sort of axis of evil that's jealous of their prosperity. It's gonna be really interesting when Kim dies. One of his sons has already defected out of the country, and there's speculation that his son still in the country might be along the same mindset. It'd be crazy to see a whole nation suddenly exposed to all the technological advancements of the past 15 years. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On June 25 2010 15:43 Waxangel wrote: also it's more than the entire world's GDP for one year well at least they are being consistently crazy. | ||
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dudeman001
United States2412 Posts
On June 25 2010 16:59 semantics wrote: well at least they are being consistently crazy. Consistency is key to being a professional. Not sure how exactly to describe North Korea in that matter. Everything they do... at this point North Korea's become a source of ridicule. Part of me wonders, do they know how the world - not just politicians - respond to their actions? I feel bad for them... | ||
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nEAnS
Canada161 Posts
On June 25 2010 17:14 dudeman001 wrote: Consistency is key to being a professional. Not sure how exactly to describe North Korea in that matter. Everything they do... at this point North Korea's become a source of ridicule. Part of me wonders, do they know how the world - not just politicians - respond to their actions? I feel bad for them... Ignorance is bliss......... Why not just keep asking for stuff and see if someone takes the bait? This is North Korea's ULTIMATE FIGHTING STRATEGY | ||
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rK
United States371 Posts
 But those military hats always make me laugh, too. | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
On June 25 2010 15:43 Waxangel wrote: also it's more than the entire world's GDP for one year Yes, but you have to account for the fact that NK would be extremely prosperous if it wasnt for the blokade! :D | ||
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Corvi
Germany1406 Posts
On June 25 2010 17:24 rK wrote: Reading about North Korea always makes me sad But those military hats always make me laugh, too.funny and sad at the same time! | ||
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onewingedmoogle
Canada434 Posts
though it could go the other way and they think their great country is stronger and able to demand money from US | ||
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Ramsing
Canada233 Posts
On June 25 2010 16:30 vizniz wrote: My marketing professor did one of those once-in-a-life-time North Korean tours. We spent a lot of time in class talking about what's going on over there. Really, the whole country is so far behind everywhere else, but the citizens don't know it. Cell phones? Yeah right. Kim Jong Il has them completely brainwashed with all sorts of false facts about the US. Most of them are convinced that we're constantly considering invading them because we're some sort of axis of evil that's jealous of their prosperity. One of my favorite things to do is look at South Korea and then North Korea and compare the skyscrapers and the number of cars. The difference is just staggering. | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
On June 25 2010 17:56 onewingedmoogle wrote: though it could go the other way and they think their great country is stronger and able to demand money from US They probably think their country is a dominant self-supporting world power -_-. | ||
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sTromSK
Slovakia77 Posts
One of my favorite things to do is look at South Korea and then North Korea and compare the skyscrapers and the number of cars. The difference is just staggering. or those night photos of north and south korea. when I started to check information about n. korea I tought they must have some sort of hi-tech labs and that they must have some advanced technologies because of the nuclear research. But then I saw some documentary movies and saw eg. their hospital in capital city - there were no medical machines (only shitty beds) altough I would expect some - I didnt realise until then that they are in such a poverty. I wonder if the university professors in n. korea are aware of the fact, that there is something wrong or that this ideology is so fucked up. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33388 Posts
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McDonalds
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
On June 25 2010 17:56 onewingedmoogle wrote: wonder what the civies in north korea would think of this. if the us clearly is evil than wouldnt this amount to their great leader begging for money? though it could go the other way and they think their great country is stronger and able to demand money from US It would probably sound more like reparations. The essence of the story is "you've done something wrong but we're strong and we're not afraid to call you out on it in front of everybody". I don't know why people are quoting GDP and stuff. It's obviously a calculation of damages that have occurred since the war and they definitely aren't expecting to receive it. They just wanted to make a powerful statement to the international community. It's a reaction to the blockade and all of this talk about imposing more sanctions. On June 25 2010 13:53 Three wrote: whoa whoa whoa, you're forgetting to encourage the notion that everything is the sole fault of the united states, sir This "why me, officer" stuff doesn't help. Foreign powers created the situation in Korea. You can't divide a country with that strong of a national identity and expect there to be no repercussions. Kim Il-sung and Syngman Rhee both wanted, first and foremost, to reunify and rule the entire peninsula. | ||
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Zhek
Canada342 Posts
Oh, we forgot to tell you it's in nukes. Air-delivered." | ||
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ssj114
Afghanistan461 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:02 Dance.jhu wrote: North Korea is best Korea. User was temp banned for this post. I don't understand why this user got temp banned? What if he's from North Korea? Isn't this racist by whoever issued the temp ban? Anyway, this does sound a bit ridiculous, in my opinion. | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
On June 25 2010 19:05 ssj114 wrote: What if he's from North Korea? If he's from North Korea and managed to escape to the United States, there's a really good chance he's not too happy with NK's situation. 15 years of technological advances, the discovery of a thing called "the internet", and realizing what an industrialized nation really looks like have a funny way of making someone resent the regime that kept them brainwashed for their lives. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On June 25 2010 16:08 Telemako wrote: Korea is USA+Russia broken toy. I don't find this funny, because probably the estimate loss is accurate. A whole country with a frozen development because of 3rd parties. Serious crap. Your statement was true 50 years ago. But the stubborn actions of their dictator are the reason why N.K is still isolated, underdeveloped, poor country. When you spend a higher percentage of your GDP on the military than the US and Russia, while your people are dying because of the lack of food, than you have clearly set your priorities wrong. When you have a cripple economy, taking actions that piss off some of your biggest potential trading partners is certainly wrong (like building fucking atom bombs). And when you intentionally make your citizens poorer than they already are by wiping out their savings, you obviously don't give a fuck about your people. So blaming 3rd parties about the situation in N.K. is simply out of date. ======================================================== Well, N.K.'s crazyhead often brings some hilarious statements, but he doesn't even come close to Libya's dickhead's demands: - 7.77 billion Dollars - Abolish Switzerland - bonus awesome action ======================================================== | ||
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banana
Netherlands1189 Posts
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drag_
England425 Posts
On June 25 2010 19:05 ssj114 wrote: I don't understand why this user got temp banned? What if he's from North Korea? Isn't this racist by whoever issued the temp ban? Anyway, this does sound a bit ridiculous, in my opinion. It's a stupid meme or macro image if I remember correctly. | ||
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chung
Korea (South)43 Posts
On June 25 2010 19:05 ssj114 wrote: I don't understand why this user got temp banned? What if he's from North Korea? Isn't this racist by whoever issued the temp ban? Anyway, this does sound a bit ridiculous, in my opinion. Civilians don't have access to the internet in North Korea. | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5094 Posts
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white
Korea (North)62 Posts
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Azalie
New Zealand117 Posts
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On June 25 2010 21:40 Azalie wrote: At first i thought maybe this was a troll, after looking at it i'm sure kims trying to do the worlds biggest troll for teh luz if not then wtf ......... Yeah, I also wondered if he is a troll, but looking through his posting history he has been pretty consistent with statements like this. So either he doesn't grow tired of the same "joke" used over and over again or he is one of the dozen lucky people in N.K. that have internet access and are not starving. | ||
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sTromSK
Slovakia77 Posts
On June 25 2010 21:30 white wrote: This claim is both logical and rightful. I am so tired of people talking down on my country when they have no idea what they are talking about. If anything I would say this claim is a bit low considering how long the blockade has hindered the economy to fully blossom in it's might and honor of the great leader. So how are things in N. Korea? I would like to hear some opinions from you. What can you tell us about the claims of poverty, starving, isolation, propaganda, brainwashing, censorship and extremely bad economic condition in general ? Are the things so bad there or not? | ||
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mesohawny
Canada193 Posts
On June 25 2010 21:30 white wrote: This claim is both logical and rightful. I am so tired of people talking down on my country when they have no idea what they are talking about. If anything I would say this claim is a bit low considering how long the blockade has hindered the economy to fully blossom in it's might and honor of the great leader. lol your country's a joke and your leader is so far out of touch with reality, I don't know how you can say he's great or has any honor whatsoever, he's a coward and he's afraid of the world. It must suck to know your cousins to the south are prospering and living in the real world. I really do feel bad for the North Korean people, its a crime that they've had to live like this their entire lives just because Kim Jong is sooooooo fking messed up and unreasonable. "LETS DUMP ALL MONEY INTO MIWITAWY SO NO AMEWICANS FUCK WIT US" "BUT KEEEEEEEEEEEEM, OW MIWITAWY STILL NO GOOOOOOOD" "WHAT YOU SAY?!?!?!?!? YOU DIEEEEEEEEEE NOW, OW COUNTWY GWEAAAAAAAT" ![[image loading]](http://transparentchristina.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/political-pictures-kim-jong-il-hawaiian-president.jpg) | ||
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KnockOut
Germany22 Posts
On June 25 2010 21:30 white wrote: This claim is both logical and rightful. I am so tired of people talking down on my country when they have no idea what they are talking about. If anything I would say this claim is a bit low considering how long the blockade has hindered the economy to fully blossom in it's might and honor of the great leader. Yeah yeah, your great leader that sends chinese people to africa and makes them look like they would be korean fans. If he would be leading my country, i would worship the air he is breathing and totally give away my life for the great leader! + Show Spoiler + Double Irony ftw x] | ||
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:02 Dance.jhu wrote: North Korea is best Korea. User was temp banned for this post. I actually liked the obvious and funny sarcasm in this post, but medieval moderation wins as always. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
70 trillion, that's only the entire worlds gdp. | ||
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monkh
United Kingdom568 Posts
On June 25 2010 22:18 KnockOut wrote: Yeah yeah, your great leader that sends chinese people to africa and makes them look like they would be korean fans. If he would be leading my country, i would worship the air he is breathing and totally give away my life for the great leader! + Show Spoiler + Double Irony ftw x] How is sending chinese ppl to world cup for nk relevant to sanctioning nk? Way I see it is why is the weakest country in world got sanctions on them? what possibly can they do? Americas war against communism costing lots of lives :/ | ||
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Vain
Netherlands1115 Posts
On June 25 2010 22:38 monkh wrote: How is sending chinese ppl to world cup for nk relevant to sanctioning nk? Way I see it is why is the weakest country in world got sanctions on them? what possibly can they do? Americas war against communism costing lots of lives :/ Yeah, what can they possibly do? Its not they have nukes and a wacky leader who could launch them at any moment... | ||
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angelicfolly
United States292 Posts
On June 25 2010 22:38 monkh wrote: How is sending chinese ppl to world cup for nk relevant to sanctioning nk? Way I see it is why is the weakest country in world got sanctions on them? what possibly can they do? Americas war against communism costing lots of lives :/ I wonder if you even clicked the spoiler. They're NOT the weakest military country. Sanctions are design to punish a country for outrageous behavior. WHATEVER the country does in response is the countries FAULT, not others (that not to say North Korea behavior towards it's own population is a guilt game..). Trying to somehow put the blame on the UN (NOT THE US, I don't know why some people are picking that country out when the UN has to agree on sanctions, and guess what that INCLUDES CHINA). Some countries have taken a lesson from WW2 in that you don't appease a rouge nation, into letting it do anything it wants. Kim Jong-il has destroyed almost every opportunity to help the population, he doesn't care. It cannot be exaggerated on how that government has treated and brainwashed their own population. Oh by the way, China a communist Nation and shows disapproval of North Korean actions, but its not like that government wants a exodus of North Koreans coming in. In any event North Korean actions are all a game for them. | ||
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Murderotica
Vatican City State2594 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:04 Wr3k wrote: That's what happens when you have shitty foreign relations and a leader who acts like a low-fat version of Hitler. Hitler was actually vegetarian n_n! | ||
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Folca
2235 Posts
On June 25 2010 21:30 white wrote: This claim is both logical and rightful. I am so tired of people talking down on my country when they have no idea what they are talking about. If anything I would say this claim is a bit low considering how long the blockade has hindered the economy to fully blossom in it's might and honor of the great leader. Please enlighten us with sources and stronger claims. I respect you as a North Korean, but your leader sure doesn't seem as respectable, when he's asking for 75$ trillion? Really? | ||
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AbyssV3
United States172 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6635 Posts
Actually he wasn't, a lot of people think he was, but he wasn't. This is an insane demand from North Korea, it's not like they had any interest in trading with other nations anyway so the sanctions are pretty much a formality because they have no money to do business and (almost) no other countries are willing to do business there. If they're gonna be mad they should be mad at Russia for setting them up with communism and royally screwing them over these past 60 odd years -_- | ||
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pheus
Australia161 Posts
don't know if you were aware but that seems to be a satire site | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
On June 25 2010 23:20 AbyssV3 wrote: I'm interested in the US official response to this. No word yet? United States Wrote: LMFAO I believe I speak for everyone in the USA on this. | ||
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KillerPenguin
United States516 Posts
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
"The United States of America has recently agreed to outrageous North Korean demands." Source I can't believe it... | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
On June 26 2010 04:58 ZaplinG wrote: This just in: "The United States of America has recently agreed to outrageous North Korean demands." Source I can't believe it... i expected rickroll i am dissapoint | ||
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
North Korea needs to stop being insane already and admit they're in a complete shit hole, they can not sustain them selves like this forever, it's bound to fall out and fail completely eventually. They need to grow up and quit torturing their own people. - Also the mention of "lulz, rickrolls, motivationals" should be punished. That type of contribution should never be allowed on such a great website. | ||
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cbkenned2009
United States55 Posts
If only there were replays and build orders available to the public, we'd know what N. Korea was playing at..... | ||
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Adila
United States874 Posts
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tru_power22
Canada385 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:25 Misrah wrote: they can ask for anything- doesn't mean we have to give them anything NORTH KOREA BEST KOREA! Surprised you didn't get temp banned lol. Seriously though, America is like 4 trillion in debt? How could any nation pay 75 trillion, it is borderline retarded. | ||
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vT.sOel
122 Posts
imo, Obama should seek 750$ trillion from North Korea, just to fuck with them. | ||
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vT.sOel
122 Posts
On June 26 2010 04:58 ZaplinG wrote: This just in: "The United States of America has recently agreed to outrageous North Korean demands." Source I can't believe it... lol i fell for it, USA is such a pussy nation these days I thought it was plausible (i am american) | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On June 25 2010 16:08 Telemako wrote: Korea is USA+Russia broken toy. I don't find this funny, because probably the estimate loss is accurate. A whole country with a frozen development because of 3rd parties. Serious crap. The estimate is probably accurate? You do realize that 75 trillion is more money that all the countries of the world have -- COMBINED! -- don't you? And if the North Korean government was sincere in its efforts to create a peaceful and prosperous state...then don't you think 50 years is an awfully long time for them to remain so poor and broken? The shit that happened in Vietnam in the name of stopping the spread of communism was probably more destructive and was certainly more recent, yet their economy is 7 times larger (even though the population is only 4 times larger) and the life expectancy is 8 years longer. Surely you don't think the North Korean government is saintly, do you? | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On June 26 2010 05:27 vT.sOel wrote: lol i fell for it, USA is such a pussy nation these days I thought it was plausible (i am american) You said if the USA pays NK a dime, you'd be ashamed of them. Then they don't. Then you call it a "pussy nation". ? | ||
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zenMaster
Canada761 Posts
On June 26 2010 05:25 tru_power22 wrote: Surprised you didn't get temp banned lol. Seriously though, America is like 4 trillion in debt? How could any nation pay 75 trillion, it is borderline retarded. Only borderline retarded? | ||
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vT.sOel
122 Posts
On June 26 2010 05:46 PanN wrote: You said if the USA pays NK a dime, you'd be ashamed of them. Then they don't. Then you call it a "pussy nation". ? that is not the series of events. I am relieved the USA will ignore this ridiculous request. I do however find the current administration to appear very weak & cowardly. | ||
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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
On June 26 2010 04:03 Diminotoor wrote: I believe I speak for everyone in the USA on this. Best one to quote so far. If you think citizens will allow taxes to pay North Korea, a seemingly sketchy country in the eyes of an everyday American.. You are tripping. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.infobarrel.com/media/image/2679.jpg) | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On June 26 2010 05:25 vT.sOel wrote: if USA pays them a dime I will be truly ashamed for my nation. imo, Obama should seek 750$ trillion from North Korea, just to fuck with them. Actually if we sent over just a dime I think it would be pretty funny. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Myv382
China31 Posts
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DemiSe
883 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:19 Nithix wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY Sorry, thats all I could think of. Pretty crazy though, hope this doesn't anything TOO serious. Sigh. That is what came first to my mind. I'd be amazed if NK get what they asked for, but I'm sceptical | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On June 26 2010 06:48 Myv382 wrote: I can't help but laugh retardedly at the image: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/24/2936414.htm ionno does north korea really have Internet? cuz it seems like they don't get what a joke some of their demands come across like. | ||
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nalho
United States351 Posts
On June 26 2010 07:28 semantics wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZIgda01k6o&feature=related ionno does north korea really have Internet? cuz it seems like they don't get what a joke some of their demands come across like. Ah, the good old Onion. That video is hilariously funny especially since there is a part where the South Korean president shows up | ||
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Quanticfograw
United States2053 Posts
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tfmdjeff
United States170 Posts
And North Korea would have money if they didn't spend it all on a hideous hotel (in their completely closed to the public country) and more recently a hideous statue in west africa. | ||
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skronch
United States2717 Posts
On June 26 2010 08:36 likeaboss wrote: kim jong ill is so fucking crazy, why wont he just die already. he literally does no one good except himself lol | ||
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machinehead..
412 Posts
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FlopTurnReaver
Switzerland1980 Posts
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McDonalds
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
On June 26 2010 08:40 tfmdjeff wrote: North Korea is so ridiculous. They make constant demands even though nobody is going to enforce it. Even China's patience with the damn place is wearing thin. And North Korea would have money if they didn't spend it all on a hideous hotel (in their completely closed to the public country) and more recently a hideous statue in west africa. Uh, if you're talking about the African Renaissance statue in Senegal, a North Korean company was paid by the Senegalese government to build that. And the Ryugyong Hotel only ended up being a waste of money because construction halted due to lack of funds. An Egyptian company started working on it again a couple of years ago. The country isn't really closed but as a tourist you would only be able to go to a handful of places. | ||
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Diuqil
United States307 Posts
On June 25 2010 12:02 Dance.jhu wrote: North Korea is best Korea. User was temp banned for this post. Why did this guy get banned? I think if he was voicing his actually opinion, although I don't agree with it, that he shouldn't be banned for it. Or maybe I'm missing something, in my country only about 1/4th of every household has internet and my English is very bad, and this is my first internet forum, so I might be missing something. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On June 25 2010 23:48 pheus wrote: don't know if you were aware but that seems to be a satire site You are right. It's a satire site responding to a real event. Here is a better source. | ||
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goswser
United States3546 Posts
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Rkie
United States1278 Posts
On June 26 2010 09:12 Diuqil wrote: Why did this guy get banned? I think if he was voicing his actually opinion, although I don't agree with it, that he shouldn't be banned for it. Or maybe I'm missing something, in my country only about 1/4th of every household has internet and my English is very bad, and this is my first internet forum, so I might be missing something. someone earlier in this thread said something about some stupid meme or something like that and this is all that i found. If someone knows of something bad in this please explain | ||
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warshop
Canada490 Posts
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Vile Animus
United States34 Posts
On June 25 2010 22:38 monkh wrote: How is sending chinese ppl to world cup for nk relevant to sanctioning nk? Way I see it is why is the weakest country in world got sanctions on them? what possibly can they do? Americas war against communism costing lots of lives :/ 6-8,000,000 dead in USSR famine 20,000,000+ dead in Chinese famine 3,000,000+ dead in N. Korea famine Communism, as implemented, costs lots of lives. I don't want to speculate on the weakest country in the world, but they don't have nuclear weapons and a 1.2million man standing army. What can they do? they can kill 100,000 south koreans with artillery at the start of any war. They have 6 billion $US they are spending on the military while they can't manage to feed themselves. These aren't US sanctions, they are UN sanctions. ![[image loading]](http://www.partners-in-prayer.org/dprk-dmsp-darka.jpg) | ||
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Kerrdezzy
United States50 Posts
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
On June 26 2010 09:12 Diuqil wrote: Why did this guy get banned? I think if he was voicing his actually opinion, although I don't agree with it, that he shouldn't be banned for it. Or maybe I'm missing something, in my country only about 1/4th of every household has internet and my English is very bad, and this is my first internet forum, so I might be missing something. Lot of people propping up to complain about this thing. Let's say Dance.jhu is not really being original about his statement. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img2.moonbuggy.org/imgstore/north-korea-is-best-korea.jpg) Meme = Fail. | ||
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InfiniteIce
United States794 Posts
On June 26 2010 09:53 Rkie wrote: someone earlier in this thread said something about some stupid meme or something like that and this is all that i found. If someone knows of something bad in this please explain If you want an internet background on this, go here: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Evildoer_Korea (Note that, like the internet in general, that site is tasteless and satirical.) And uhmm, not to tempt fate with the "T-word", but is Kim Jong-Il fucking trolling? 75 TRILLION? Lol, I mean, does he actually expect to get any of this? I just hope it doesn't escalate to something a la "give us money or we nuke xxx country", that would be terrible : / (But really, nobody even has the money to meet his demands even if they wanted to. Economic recession, heard of it...?) | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
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pRo9aMeR
595 Posts
 That's probably more than all the minerals and gas that have ever been mined in broodwar in all countries combined. EDIT: Now that I think about it, it just makes me flol...that is so much money...Even if there was a million dollar bill in print, that would still be 75,000 of these bills. Shit, I'd be happy with just 75,000 one dollar bills. | ||
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teekesselchen
Germany886 Posts
Just to write it once again, he told the "SPIEGEL" (arguably best german weekly news magazine) in an interview, that Switzerland attracts people with illegal money and kills them afterwards. This means that it was a terrorist country that should be devided and affiliated to germany, italy and france. | ||
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Contraud
Canada13 Posts
I play blitz chess at chess.com to pass the time at work and for the first time ever I came into contact with a North Korean, the locations are based on IP so it can't be faked. But do you think this guy is genuine? the convo is very freaky. I tried to bridge the gap with sc2 and he spoke again, lol. + Show Spoiler + NEW GAME - inigomontoyo vs. deadlyvirus_ inigomontoyo: zomg deadlyvirus_: wat inigomontoyo: ur allowed to chat with ppl in democratic countries? deadlyvirus_: no inigomontoyo: how then inigomontoyo: is it fake inigomontoyo: are u real from NK deadlyvirus_: yep inigomontoyo: how is life deadlyvirus_: good inigomontoyo: i am fascinated by ur country inigomontoyo: i want to know everything deadlyvirus_: very beautiful deadlyvirus_: many sights deadlyvirus_: great country deadlyvirus_: best country inigomontoyo: what about south korea deadlyvirus_: they cannot control their people inigomontoyo: shouldn't people control the govermnent inigomontoyo: nt the other way around deadlyvirus_: no inigomontoyo: but what if the government isn't doing what the people want inigomontoyo: you have no choice inigomontoyo: why would people want nuclear weapons and war inigomontoyo: war means death deadlyvirus_: no one want it deadlyvirus_: south korea want it inigomontoyo: yeah well if ur government and controlled media tell you that u beleive it inigomontoyo: but i see your tv stations and the rest of the world inigomontoyo: they are lying to you. inigomontoyo: for example there was a rocket that launched a satellite into space playing music glorifying kim jong il and ur tv said it was a success inigomontoyo: but the rest of the world saw it crash into the ocean deadlyvirus_: i don't understna deadlyvirus_: why you talk like this inigomontoyo: i think its imprtant that you know the truth inigomontoyo: impirtant deadlyvirus_: i just play game now inigomontoyo: important inigomontoyo: whoever you are you have the power to be free and decide your own life inigomontoyo: don't let a small group of people trick all of you into thinking you can't do what you wnat inigomontoyo: don't let the crimes of dead americans dictate your life choices inigomontoyo: the entire world fears your leaders because they are dangerous criminals inigomontoyo: your whole country is a prison, why won't they let you leave? if it's so great they'd let you compare inigomontoyo: how did u even get on here, north koreans aren't allowed to chat inigomontoyo: i play starcraft 2, it's beautiful deadlyvirus_: wat contry r u? inigomontoyo: Canada You have requested to add deadlyvirus_ as a friend. GAME OVER - inigomontoyo vs. deadlyvirus_ - inigomontoyo won by checkmate (+27). Your new blitz rating is 1005. inigomontoyo: gg sir inigomontoyo: i wish you the best deadlyvirus_: good job inigomontoyo: i really care about the korean people inigomontoyo: don't let me down that's it. I hope this gets out and we can talk about it. | ||
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muse5187
1125 Posts
On August 11 2010 03:49 Contraud wrote: Hey, since i've been readin the forum for a long time and never signed up this is my first post, but I've got something big I wanna post but I can't make a thread obviosly so hopefully somebody still reads this off the dead thread. I play blitz chess at chess.com to pass the time at work and for the first time ever I came into contact with a North Korean, the locations are based on IP so it can't be faked. But do you think this guy is genuine? the convo is very freaky. I tried to bridge the gap with sc2 and he spoke again, lol. + Show Spoiler + NEW GAME - inigomontoyo vs. deadlyvirus_ inigomontoyo: zomg deadlyvirus_: wat inigomontoyo: ur allowed to chat with ppl in democratic countries? deadlyvirus_: no inigomontoyo: how then inigomontoyo: is it fake inigomontoyo: are u real from NK deadlyvirus_: yep inigomontoyo: how is life deadlyvirus_: good inigomontoyo: i am fascinated by ur country inigomontoyo: i want to know everything deadlyvirus_: very beautiful deadlyvirus_: many sights deadlyvirus_: great country deadlyvirus_: best country inigomontoyo: what about south korea deadlyvirus_: they cannot control their people inigomontoyo: shouldn't people control the govermnent inigomontoyo: nt the other way around deadlyvirus_: no inigomontoyo: but what if the government isn't doing what the people want inigomontoyo: you have no choice inigomontoyo: why would people want nuclear weapons and war inigomontoyo: war means death deadlyvirus_: no one want it deadlyvirus_: south korea want it inigomontoyo: yeah well if ur government and controlled media tell you that u beleive it inigomontoyo: but i see your tv stations and the rest of the world inigomontoyo: they are lying to you. inigomontoyo: for example there was a rocket that launched a satellite into space playing music glorifying kim jong il and ur tv said it was a success inigomontoyo: but the rest of the world saw it crash into the ocean deadlyvirus_: i don't understna deadlyvirus_: why you talk like this inigomontoyo: i think its imprtant that you know the truth inigomontoyo: impirtant deadlyvirus_: i just play game now inigomontoyo: important inigomontoyo: whoever you are you have the power to be free and decide your own life inigomontoyo: don't let a small group of people trick all of you into thinking you can't do what you wnat inigomontoyo: don't let the crimes of dead americans dictate your life choices inigomontoyo: the entire world fears your leaders because they are dangerous criminals inigomontoyo: your whole country is a prison, why won't they let you leave? if it's so great they'd let you compare inigomontoyo: how did u even get on here, north koreans aren't allowed to chat inigomontoyo: i play starcraft 2, it's beautiful deadlyvirus_: wat contry r u? inigomontoyo: Canada You have requested to add deadlyvirus_ as a friend. GAME OVER - inigomontoyo vs. deadlyvirus_ - inigomontoyo won by checkmate (+27). Your new blitz rating is 1005. inigomontoyo: gg sir inigomontoyo: i wish you the best deadlyvirus_: good job inigomontoyo: i really care about the korean people inigomontoyo: don't let me down that's it. I hope this gets out and we can talk about it. very interesting, I won't begin to act like I know anything about being inside NK but from what we are all told they wouldn't have access to outside world. Of course there has been crazier things. | ||
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Contraud
Canada13 Posts
I have a book called Pyongyang; a journey in North Korea by Guy Delsie, a cartoonist who worked there for a while and in that he tries to get one of them to read 1984 and they won't talk about it. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
Assuming he is actually from NK there's one thing that strikes me... You seem to carry out the conversation as a monologue where you're basically telling him your point of view. While it may be correct, it is like a slap in the face to the North Korean. You're bascially ripping away everything he thinks as evident, which is a way too offensive approach to achieve any kind of conversation. edit: Not to say I wouldn't do the same. It's basically like briefly meeting an alien for the first time - You have so much to tell and so little time. | ||
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Contraud
Canada13 Posts
Edit: my ip comes up international for some reason, I'm close to the border | ||
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MoltkeWarding
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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Stenstyren
Sweden619 Posts
On June 25 2010 15:16 Kashmir wrote: How about they start siphonining off some of that military budget? It's crazy to be worrying more about that than feeding your people. USA would do well to take your advise aswell lol Anyway, just because Korean leaders are dickheads does not mean that the sanctions should be implemented. By creating the sanctions they are isolating the people from the rest of the world an thereby making it very hard for the citizens to overthrow the government since they truly believe that they live in one of the better countries on this planet. | ||
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Laforge
Denmark33 Posts
Link to IMDB http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1546653/ | ||
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AlfredGA
United States66 Posts
Laugh out loud. | ||
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
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Deletrious
United States458 Posts
On August 11 2010 05:12 Stenstyren wrote: USA would do well to take your advise aswell lol Anyway, just because Korean leaders are dickheads does not mean that the sanctions should be implemented. By creating the sanctions they are isolating the people from the rest of the world an thereby making it very hard for the citizens to overthrow the government since they truly believe that they live in one of the better countries on this planet. I disagree with your logic. Stricter sanctions would push the country to the edge of collapse faster, while reduced sanctions would reward a racist, tyrannical regime by relieving it of the immediate threats of rebellion and of its own military disbanding. The accounts of North Korea are strongly reminiscent of 1984 and most other apocalyptic, totalitarian novels you could name. At this point outright invasion of the country would probably still be better for the people of North Korea than allowing North Koreans to be ruled by there own government. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On August 11 2010 04:07 muse5187 wrote: very interesting, I won't begin to act like I know anything about being inside NK but from what we are all told they wouldn't have access to outside world. Of course there has been crazier things. Well I read an online article about a german who had an IT-company residing in NK (only german but I'll link it anyway: http://www.taz.de/1/archiv/print-archiv/printressorts/digi-artikel/?ressort=sw&dig=2010/06/22/a0004 ). He said that he, as a foreigner, was allowed to have global internet/telephone at home (costing 250euro/month). He was forbidden to get something similiar at his company (the employees werent allowed to possibly have access to it). Maybe it was someone like this. | ||
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Contraud
Canada13 Posts
Well I read an online article about a german who had an IT-company residing in NK (only german but I'll link it anyway: http://www.taz.de/1/archiv/print-archiv/printressorts/digi-artikel/?ressort=sw&dig=2010/06/22/a0004 ). He said that he, as a foreigner, was allowed to have global internet/telephone at home (costing 250euro/month). He was forbidden to get something similiar at his company (the employees werent allowed to possibly have access to it). Maybe it was someone like this. Interesting, but this definately sounded like a national, unless German businessmen say things like, "Nobody wants war, South Korea wants it" | ||
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Attica
United States277 Posts
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muse5187
1125 Posts
On August 11 2010 05:12 Stenstyren wrote: USA would do well to take your advise aswell lol Anyway, just because Korean leaders are dickheads does not mean that the sanctions should be implemented. By creating the sanctions they are isolating the people from the rest of the world an thereby making it very hard for the citizens to overthrow the government since they truly believe that they live in one of the better countries on this planet. The USA doesn't have half a nation of people starving, although yes I agree military budget needs shrinkkkkkk. | ||
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kineSiS-
Korea (South)1068 Posts
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
On August 11 2010 07:19 kineSiS- wrote: Lol. They're doing this because for a reason,b ut I wouldn't really want to discuss on a starcraft forum. why not? We'd all be grateful for it, you can probably give some insides into this some other people on here can't. | ||
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muse5187
1125 Posts
On August 11 2010 08:02 heishe wrote: why not? We'd all be grateful for it, you can probably give some insides into this some other people on here can't. Yeah, I thought the same thing so I pm'ed him and all he had to say was this: North Korea is using threats and such, like nuclear missiles even though its evident they would never, they use it in order to gain supplies. Says he won't go into further detail because this isn't "AP government class". | ||
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JunZ
United States314 Posts
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
But of course giving them the money would be ridiculous and impossible. | ||
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
Fucking NK. | ||
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imperator-xy
Germany1366 Posts
same thing as with iran, only thing they did wrong (...) against america probably was not accepting the dollar as the worlds main currency but still getting money from the worlds poorest country is impossible | ||
thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On August 11 2010 04:20 MoltkeWarding wrote: Are you joking? "Wat country r u?" This alone makes it obvious. omg first time seeing moltke in like 2 yrs. | ||
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alsowikk
109 Posts
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Stayenalive
United States13 Posts
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
Of course he was joking, but i believe that even if he was serious (and had the money) Kim Jong Il would never do so... couldn't find the video on youtube, so i can't link for reference =( | ||
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tryummm
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