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On June 24 2010 17:41 Bael wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 16:30 Ludrik wrote:
To people bitching about "not voting for her" get real. If all you base your voting decisions on is the man at the top then you're not voting in your best interest. Vote based on who your local candidates are and their individual policies. I don't mean to not take into account overall party policies. It's just they will essentially be the same regardless of who is running the party. This. It's essentially going to be business as usual with a Labor government, whether it's Rudd or Gillard at the helm. It never ceases to amaze me how many people of voting age in this country envisage the Prime Minister as something far more important than they actually are. They're a mouthpiece, a figurehead, and are supposed to represent the unified consensus of the party/caucus; policy-making is the last thing they're responsible for.
God, I know, right. He's just one man, he can't possibly be personally responsible and involved with every policy decision made by the party. I mean honestly it seems like they (the PM) spend half their time meeting international figureheads for lunch and dinner or other public relations type activities anyway
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British PMs with a working majority bully their cabinet terribly. They are appointed and dismissed at the will of the PM and the PM can sum up the feeling of a cabinet meeting without any direct vote or outside decision. Margaret Thatcher, who was also a female PM, was particularly infamous for handbagging her cabinet. Her line was the party line and if you didn't like it you weren't on the ticket at the next election.
Unless the majority is extremely narrow or a particular cabinet minister can override the party whip and sway a significant portion of the MPs the PM can do pretty much what they like within their party. To call them a figurehead voicing the opinion of the cabinet is extremely ill informed. The PM is their employer and they serve at his or her pleasure with no power save what is granted to them.
The Australian political system is largely based on the British which in turn draws its roots from monarchy. The powers of the PM are the royal prerogatives wrested from the monarchy in the English Civil War and the Glorious Revolution. In short, the power of the PM draws directly from rule by divine right. She's no mouthpiece.
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On June 24 2010 22:45 dethrawr wrote:
she hasnt said anything about the filter, she is willing to negotiate on mining taxes, and she is going to consult about asylum seekers..
where are you getting these things from?
LoL , Rudd said he would negotiate on the mining tax and consult about asylum seekers as well.If you can find me an article claiming Gillard will scrap the filter please link it now , her not saying anything about the filter means it is business as usual.
We need to bring back Howards policy on asylum seekers , process them offshore instead of using WA mining towns to keep them.Already there is a new camp inland at Leonora , you probably don't hear these things over East.
It's Abbott all the way with me , Labor has decided to destroy the mining industry with the new profits tax and the incoming emissions trading tax.Labor is dead in WA and QLD.
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lol destroy the mining industry. What are you going to tell me next that immigrants and boat people are the reason for Australia's woes?
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On June 25 2010 15:17 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 22:45 dethrawr wrote:
she hasnt said anything about the filter, she is willing to negotiate on mining taxes, and she is going to consult about asylum seekers..
where are you getting these things from? LoL , Rudd said he would negotiate on the mining tax and consult about asylum seekers as well.If you can find me an article claiming Gillard will scrap the filter please link it now , her not saying anything about the filter means it is business as usual. We need to bring back Howards policy on asylum seekers , process them offshore instead of using WA mining towns to keep them.Already there is a new camp inland at Leonora , you probably don't hear these things over East. It's Abbott all the way with me , Labor has decided to destroy the mining industry with the new profits tax and the incoming emissions trading tax.Labor is dead in WA and QLD.
The super profits tax would not destroy or even impact in any significant way upon the mining industry. You see the copious amounts of advertisement by these mining companies in the newspapers, on TV etc, and don't stop to question the message or even consider how on earth these poor vulnerable mining companies have the cash on hand to invest in a huge ad campaign? They are rich. Being slightly less rich is fine. What is wrong with asylum seekers being allowed onto mainland Australia? They deserve to be here as much as you do, and keeping them in crowded conditions offshore is barbaric.
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On June 24 2010 14:24 Masamune wrote:
As Bill Maher said, women don't change politics; politics change women. They are no different than men. Cool nonetheless.
Is she gonna be coming to the G20 summit in Toronto?
You really believe that? Have you ever been in a relationship?
The physical parts ain't the only difference.
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On June 25 2010 18:45 Lurgee wrote:
The super profits tax would not destroy or even impact in any significant way upon the mining industry. You see the copious amounts of advertisement by these mining companies in the newspapers, on TV etc, and don't stop to question the message or even consider how on earth these poor vulnerable mining companies have the cash on hand to invest in a huge ad campaign? They are rich. Being slightly less rich is fine. What is wrong with asylum seekers being allowed onto mainland Australia? They deserve to be here as much as you do, and keeping them in crowded conditions offshore is barbaric.
So because something is profitable you should thus tax it until it collapses?
Why not levy a super tax on the banks instead of the miners?
Why should illegal immigrants be housed in air conditioned rooms with free TV , internet , CIGARETTES , food etc whilst we have homeless people sleeping on our own streets?
Offshore processing is barbaric , thus we should send them back where they came from.
It's not worth arguing with you , you are a dyed in the wool socialist like Rudd and his offspring.
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^ Because it's a commitment Australia made to the United Nation. Australia is a first world country and it needs to act like one.
I'm curious, if Australia stop accepting refugees, do you really think the government will fix the homeless problem?
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Hahaha Kevin Rudd is a socialist. Tell me more.
Also tell me how taxing the mining industry will cause it to collapse? It won't suddenly collapse and suddenly disappear due to the tax but it'll definitely ultimately collapse some time in the future since mining a destructive industry that will have diminishing returns as time goes on. Less stuff to dig out etc.
Just because its booming doesn't mean you basically tell the mining industry to keep digging shit at full speed. If the tax puts some restraint on the miners, then it'll probably have some long term benefits in the future. No doubt the tax will damage Australia in the short term (even then, who really suffers from it but the miners?) but in the long term its not a such bad idea since a mineral market crash caused by the currently booming industry would simply cause hellfire to fall from the sky.
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As long as the government is able to give keilor some semblence of a fast-and-affordable internet package (Telstras the only provider giving ADSL2+/Cable access here), i really don't care who runs the country .. as long as it aint Kim Jong Il .. or George bush ..
Ill worry about the state of the country once i get my go0d internetz!!
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On June 25 2010 19:50 haduken wrote:
^ Because it's a commitment Australia made to the United Nation. Australia is a first world country and it needs to act like one.
I just think that taxpayer dollars should be spent elsewhere and these 'refugees' should apply for entry legally like regular immigrants.
If they can afford the $10,000 cost of the boat trip then they're already better off than a massive number of people in the world anyhow.
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On June 25 2010 19:13 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 18:45 Lurgee wrote:
The super profits tax would not destroy or even impact in any significant way upon the mining industry. You see the copious amounts of advertisement by these mining companies in the newspapers, on TV etc, and don't stop to question the message or even consider how on earth these poor vulnerable mining companies have the cash on hand to invest in a huge ad campaign? They are rich. Being slightly less rich is fine. What is wrong with asylum seekers being allowed onto mainland Australia? They deserve to be here as much as you do, and keeping them in crowded conditions offshore is barbaric. So because something is profitable you should thus tax it until it collapses? Why not levy a super tax on the banks instead of the miners? Why should illegal immigrants be housed in air conditioned rooms with free TV , internet , CIGARETTES , food etc whilst we have homeless people sleeping on our own streets? Offshore processing is barbaric , thus we should send them back where they came from. It's not worth arguing with you , you are a dyed in the wool socialist like Rudd and his offspring.
It's not by any means taxing them until they collapse. The only people who will be seeing less money are the execs etc, I doubt it will even slow down resource exploration. Are you so ignorant as to not understand that asylum seekers are in fact seeking asylum, and thus deserve our help? Do you object to Australians helping hurricane Katrina victims 'while we have homeless people sleeping on our own streets'? As a relatively well off nation, it is our responsibility to help those whom are less fortunate than us, or if you are too pigheaded to see this then consider that a typical asylum seeker would be very grateful and hardworking if allowed to begin a new life free of oppression in Aus, and would thus be likely to contribute effectively to society. You are confusing socialism with having a sense of compassion. Australia is not an anarchy, which seems to be the type of society you desire. Levying a tax on banks would be idiotic, as they would raise interest rates in order to attempt to maintain profit margins. This would decrease investment spending/economic growth which is exactly what we do NOT want to be doing at this time. A tax on mining will be met with pretty much no significant response.
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I'm seriously contemplating voting for Labor now instead of just voting Greens all the time. Gillard seems to be competent and her speech was really well done. But really I just don't want an extremist right wing nutcase like Abbot in charge of our country.
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On June 25 2010 20:43 Lurgee wrote:
It's not by any means taxing them until they collapse. The only people who will be seeing less money are the execs etc, I doubt it will even slow down resource exploration. Are you so ignorant as to not understand that asylum seekers are in fact seeking asylum, and thus deserve our help? Do you object to Australians helping hurricane Katrina victims 'while we have homeless people sleeping on our own streets'? As a relatively well off nation, it is our responsibility to help those whom are less fortunate than us, or if you are too pigheaded to see this then consider that a typical asylum seeker would be very grateful and hardworking if allowed to begin a new life free of oppression in Aus, and would thus be likely to contribute effectively to society. You are confusing socialism with having a sense of compassion. Australia is not an anarchy, which seems to be the type of society you desire. Levying a tax on banks would be idiotic, as they would raise interest rates in order to attempt to maintain profit margins. This would decrease investment spending/economic growth which is exactly what we do NOT want to be doing at this time. A tax on mining will be met with pretty much no significant response.
Sure , help people less fortunate.Send them food aid (although this does not actually help their countries since it undermines local food producers but the do gooders won't listen).Don't resettle them here , we have enough people here , heard of something called the water shortage? They don't call this the driest continent on earth for no reason.
I don't see how you could say wanting to return to Howard era policies means i support anarchy but whatever.Raising interest rates is not always 'bad' , just like dropping interest rates is not always 'good' - banks will continue to increase profit margins regardless of whether a banking tax is implemented or not.Banking execs will continue seeing more and more money i assure you.
Labors emissions trading tax would hurt economic growth and investment far more by creating more red tape and jacking up fuel prices adding to inflation.
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On June 25 2010 19:13 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2010 18:45 Lurgee wrote:
The super profits tax would not destroy or even impact in any significant way upon the mining industry. You see the copious amounts of advertisement by these mining companies in the newspapers, on TV etc, and don't stop to question the message or even consider how on earth these poor vulnerable mining companies have the cash on hand to invest in a huge ad campaign? They are rich. Being slightly less rich is fine. What is wrong with asylum seekers being allowed onto mainland Australia? They deserve to be here as much as you do, and keeping them in crowded conditions offshore is barbaric. So because something is profitable you should thus tax it until it collapses? Why not levy a super tax on the banks instead of the miners?Why should illegal immigrants be housed in air conditioned rooms with free TV , internet , CIGARETTES , food etc whilst we have homeless people sleeping on our own streets? Offshore processing is barbaric , thus we should send them back where they came from. It's not worth arguing with you , you are a dyed in the wool socialist like Rudd and his offspring.
Because the banks hold most of our overseas debt, 500 bill if i remember correctly
The mining tax is taxing what is deemed to be a super profit, its like income tax, for the first lot of money they earn they only get taxed 30c of the dollar, over the super profit its the normal company tax and like half aswell, iirc its about 54c of the dollar, and you think thats taxing something so it will make it collapse? We do have this major debt from kruddy spending 50bill to get us out of recession, are we just going to leave that and not do anything about it?
netteles you needa study some more economics man
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On June 25 2010 18:59 danl9rm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2010 14:24 Masamune wrote:
As Bill Maher said, women don't change politics; politics change women. They are no different than men. Cool nonetheless.
Is she gonna be coming to the G20 summit in Toronto? You really believe that? Have you ever been in a relationship? The physical parts ain't the only difference.
I'm fairly sure this post was more about women needing to turn into male politicians to be given a shot at political power rather than women turning into men personality wise. Basically women politicians are no different from male politicians due to the "boys club" patriarchy found in many governments around the world.
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Bow down to thou Ginger Overlord
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On June 25 2010 23:34 Scaramanga wrote:
Because the banks hold most of our overseas debt, 500 bill if i remember correctly
The mining tax is taxing what is deemed to be a super profit, its like income tax, for the first lot of money they earn they only get taxed 30c of the dollar, over the super profit its the normal company tax and like half aswell, iirc its about 54c of the dollar, and you think thats taxing something so it will make it collapse? We do have this major debt from kruddy spending 50bill to get us out of recession, are we just going to leave that and not do anything about it?
netteles you needa study some more economics man
LoL i know enough economics to know that you need to cut taxes to boost investment and growth not raise them like Labor seems hell bent on doing.Cut Government spending , get out of Afghanistan for starters we will never 'win' that war.
I don't think you guys have any idea how much it costs to get a mine operational and how much risk there is involved.Have you done any research into why Ravensthorpe nickel mine was really shut down? The Chinese invented a new cheaper kind of nickel , nickel pig iron , dirtier to manufacture but cheaper that is satisfying some 30% of Chinese nickel demand at the moment and rising.
Anyhoo back to Labor - why roll out a high speed broadband network and then apply an internet filter to slow it all down again? If they screw up a simple insulation fitting scheme why do they think they can manage the health system in all the states?
No , i can't see myself voting Labor this time round.I doubt i will change your guys mind just like you won't change mine.
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Am I the only one seeing this?
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Women leaders seem to keep cleaner, more peaceful countries. I think it's great.
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