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AgonyRush
Profile Joined January 2003
United States2540 Posts
April 12 2004 22:47 GMT
#1
http://www.worldcybergames.com/overview/a52_pcg_star_r1.asp

No LT
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-12 22:51:19
April 12 2004 22:50 GMT
#2
Good. Sorry but that Map and all its spawns not being used, might be good for a change.
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LaZyFoO
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada76 Posts
April 12 2004 22:54 GMT
#3
make's the games more appealing to watch too.
Dont hate ......participate
ObsoleteLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3676 Posts
April 12 2004 22:55 GMT
#4
I hope they change them... those maps are awful. Awful I say, awful!!
sMi.Silent // Siz)Silent
hasuwar
Profile Joined April 2003
7365 Posts
April 12 2004 22:56 GMT
#5
wasn't there no LT last year either? Yeah..those maps kinda suck, especially korhal
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Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
April 12 2004 22:56 GMT
#6
oh crap, do we have to play these gay ass maps again ? =[

i prefer lt 100x over those
Liquid`Spy
Profile Joined October 2002
Netherlands1301 Posts
April 12 2004 22:58 GMT
#7
no LT, that's good
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Emlary
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
China3334 Posts
April 12 2004 23:03 GMT
#8
the map pack url died, canno dl it even after i logon
No more SKT1, it's SKP2.
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
April 12 2004 23:05 GMT
#9
No`!we are supposed to play LT forever -_-;;kekek
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
April 12 2004 23:06 GMT
#10
Those maps suck... And they are boring to watch reps on too... But LT is even worse so yay no LT.. But as said above, there were no LT last year...
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SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-12 23:09:02
April 12 2004 23:08 GMT
#11
omfg, i HATE those maps.
bring back 02 maps, for god's sake !!!
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Yarertz
Profile Joined February 2003
Djibouti1891 Posts
April 12 2004 23:11 GMT
#12
those map rox! )
j/k
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ObsoleteLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3676 Posts
April 12 2004 23:12 GMT
#13
They should switch to the MBCGame maps or something.
sMi.Silent // Siz)Silent
Gryffindor_us
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States5606 Posts
April 12 2004 23:17 GMT
#14
Gorky and Martian are ok and Dahlia is decent but Korhal is bad!
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NerO
Profile Joined February 2003
United States2071 Posts
April 12 2004 23:42 GMT
#15
ur obviously a T user since u like gorky. i think dahila and martian cross are only good ones but they overall suck just those suck less then the others i hope they make good maps or hold a map contest to determine the maps used.
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
April 12 2004 23:47 GMT
#16
wcg so gay i bet they switch to some even worse maps last second! they fuck boxer, they fuck everybody, they fuck everything, they fuckkk!
Remmus(Cfr
Profile Joined November 2003
Russian Federation207 Posts
April 12 2004 23:57 GMT
#17
On April 13 2004 08:47 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
wcg so gay i bet they switch to some even worse maps last second! they fuck boxer, they fuck everybody, they fuck everything, they fuckkk!

Lol =))
Maps are OK , its just a matter of time to adopt playing on them various matchups
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Ready2[ESC]
Profile Joined October 2002
Hungary1436 Posts
April 13 2004 00:00 GMT
#18
lt >>>> gay wcg maps so bring back lt !!11
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FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
April 13 2004 00:01 GMT
#19
LT is gosu..kkkkk
Beast_Bg
Profile Joined October 2002
Bulgaria1623 Posts
April 13 2004 00:17 GMT
#20
Dahlia is a VERY good map.Martian is ok for a all-land map(I hate em,well most of em..)
Gorky and Kohral are fun maps..but too imbalanced.Terran is too strong on both and PvZ on Kohral is just impossible.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28678 Posts
April 13 2004 00:37 GMT
#21
I agree that dahlia is a good map, apart from the whole 12 > 3 > 6 > 9 >12 thing. if the players aren't on positions next to eachother it's really good though.
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ObsoleteLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3676 Posts
April 13 2004 00:41 GMT
#22
Terran has very little chance past mid-game on Dahlia TvP. The expansions belong along the edge of the map also really prevents T being able to push into any of them.
sMi.Silent // Siz)Silent
ExtremeHangover2
Profile Joined March 2004
Denmark23 Posts
April 13 2004 02:57 GMT
#23
On April 13 2004 09:17 Beast_Bg wrote:
Dahlia is a VERY good map.Martian is ok for a all-land map(I hate em,well most of em..)
Gorky and Kohral are fun maps..but too imbalanced.Terran is too strong on both and PvZ on Kohral is just impossible.

lol? noob? Korhal absolutely sucks for Terran
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ObsoleteLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3676 Posts
April 13 2004 03:04 GMT
#24
PvZ on Korhal, use Giyom's fast +1 early zealot rush! (:
sMi.Silent // Siz)Silent
BerZergKer
Profile Joined April 2004
United States69 Posts
April 13 2004 03:11 GMT
#25
On April 13 2004 08:42 NerO wrote:
ur obviously a T user since u like gorky. i think dahila and martian cross are only good ones but they overall suck just those suck less then the others i hope they make good maps or hold a map contest to determine the maps used.


I like Gorky too (Z player). Why is Gorky good for T? The cliff behind the mineral? That's just like the cliff on ur nat of LT, except now you can hold both that expo and ur main by expoing there first. All expoes are along the edges, map has mostly no walls/cliff in middle except for that little mineral spot. Seems like a pretty balance map. I guess the only problem is T able to float CC up the cliff for early expo...actually, that is a big problem...I haven't played much vT games on that map to really find out...but I'm ok with it.
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OgerDaniel
Profile Joined March 2003
273 Posts
April 13 2004 03:26 GMT
#26
I don't like those maps.
NoNameLoser
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1508 Posts
April 13 2004 03:59 GMT
#27
On April 13 2004 11:57 ExtremeHangover2 wrote:

lol? noob? Korhal absolutely sucks for Terran


ROFL
Mids-Elite
Profile Joined April 2004
United States34 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-13 04:14:07
April 13 2004 04:01 GMT
#28
Need to just make an eight mineral patch (Two or more if the expo is too big and Terran can just land away from the minerals, not sure on this) like on Namja Iyagi.

Edit: This is about the cliff expo on Gorky, BTW.
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AgonyRush
Profile Joined January 2003
United States2540 Posts
April 13 2004 04:04 GMT
#29
On April 13 2004 12:59 NoNameLoser wrote:
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On April 13 2004 11:57 ExtremeHangover2 wrote:

lol? noob? Korhal absolutely sucks for Terran


ROFL

agreed
A team is only as good as its worst lineup
iamimat
Profile Joined January 2003
Canada367 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-13 04:11:19
April 13 2004 04:08 GMT
#30
Korhal is garbage for terran i dont know what your saying, protoss has a huge advantage at breaking through at beggining and if they don,t the terran is still behind from repairing/losing scv. THe protoss from Ttoronto prefer this map vs terran then any other vs terran.

Dahlia is probabaly a decent map for some, I myself don't prefer it due to its very small bases, and its just so entirly diffrerent from anything alse, very hard to adjust too. If I had to find a similar map to it, it would most definatally be blade storm (just worse).

Martarin is my favorite map out of the 4, simply because terran has so many opprunities, and the side expansions can be easly attained and easly protected (but thats for all races)


Gorky is a obviously a terran map, terran is obviously on a huge up right from the start, the only problem for terran is if protoss or zerg can control the center, the thing about that map is terran can easly match as many expos as protoss/zerg on that map.
(If you don't think gorky is a terran map, you are a noob)
(P.S these are only terran perspective, im not even considering zvp/zvz/pvp)
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-13 04:14:26
April 13 2004 04:13 GMT
#31
the maps, for the most part, suck.

dahlia is ok. gorky's sucks horribly. korhal sucks, but i do kind of like pvz on it. martians sucks ass pvt, pvz its fun but tilted towards p.

all of the maps have some serious issues. they should definitely be replaced
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
April 13 2004 04:25 GMT
#32
off topic but anyone know if boxer will play this year?
When the spirit is not altogether slain, great loss teaches men and women to desire greatly, both for themselves and for others.
ApollyoN
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1297 Posts
April 13 2004 04:25 GMT
#33
sadly, i really doubt it will happen
i wonder if anything could be done about it though
really, considering there is generally a consensus in the community that these maps suck (i havent seen ANYONE saying they like them), i wonder why we are being forced to play on them
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28678 Posts
April 13 2004 04:30 GMT
#34
if they just fixed the issue with 12>3>6>9>12, dahlia would be a really good map. or if they turned it into a 2 player map either 9 vs 3 or 12 vs 6. but right now it's far too luckdependant for something like wcg.

and the other maps are pretty much garbage imo.
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BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
April 13 2004 04:32 GMT
#35
Eivy, why are they imbalanced? Dropping/harassment/the expo behind the main gets screwed by tanks etc?

I havent really played the map enough to notice anything.
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
ObsoleteLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3676 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-13 04:33:29
April 13 2004 04:33 GMT
#36
I would like Dahlia if they closed up the middle. As in, unable to go through the middle (of the middle). And put an expansion or something in there.
sMi.Silent // Siz)Silent
NoNameLoser
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1508 Posts
April 13 2004 04:40 GMT
#37
Look at the bright side, the more luck they put in maps, the more likely foreigners have a chance in winning.
ApollyoN
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1297 Posts
April 13 2004 04:47 GMT
#38
On April 13 2004 13:40 NoNameLoser wrote:
Look at the bright side, the more luck they put in maps, the more likely foreigners have a chance in winning.

way to be optimistic i guess
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
April 13 2004 04:51 GMT
#39
Reading the topic headline thingy... Where there someone that were suprised that there were no LT in wcg? Is there anyone who would like to have LT :r in wcg?
And again, those maps are weird and sucky.
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
April 13 2004 04:52 GMT
#40
On April 13 2004 13:47 ApollyoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2004 13:40 NoNameLoser wrote:
Look at the bright side, the more luck they put in maps, the more likely foreigners have a chance in winning.

way to be optimistic i guess


ya fisheye and ogogo top 2 players last year.. better than everyone else in the world clearly shown in the world cyber games! wcg last year proof that korea is just overrated ogogo is the best nada cant even qualify! no boxer no yellow! allt hose players are clearly overrated as evidenced by the very useful result of last wcg. lets s4ee these wonderful maps and format again!
ObsoleteLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3676 Posts
April 13 2004 04:53 GMT
#41
They should make a map where one players base is above and surrounds the others players base. Oh and he has 40000 minerals per pile to 200 for the other guy.

Then maybe a foreigner will win (:
sMi.Silent // Siz)Silent
Kobayashi
Profile Joined February 2003
Portugal1970 Posts
April 13 2004 05:12 GMT
#42
actually LT doesn't suck, it's just overplayed and if we must have shitty maps on WCG, I'd rather go with overused than unbalanced.
Anyway, including LT is not (and shouldn't be) an option, they sould just select some pro-league/user-submited maps and either ask the players opinion (poll at the wcg site) or let someone who has a clue about the game select the maps for them (because who ever made the decision last year is a strange strange man...)
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28678 Posts
April 13 2004 05:24 GMT
#43
well, if you are a terran at 12, then a toss at 9 can't really hurt you, so terran isn't hurt by the imbalance. but they're also the best at exploiting it. the fact is basically that if there's a terran at 12 and you are 3, you can't take your mineral only natural. there's absolutely nothing you can do to prevent tanks from firing there, apart from killing him off completely, if the game is somewhat even. (which you can't do in most somewhat even games. )

same goes for all other positions. and in pvp, it's possible to storm the mineral only natural extreeeemely easy if you're close to eachother. im not 100% certain if lurkers are able to hit minerals, but I think they can, although that's much easier to prevent with cannons and ob.

it's kinda like 9 vs 6 tvp on some old temple version where tanks could hit nexus, cept I think this is even more abusive. (as there are plenty of counters to that strat. -.-)
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Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
April 13 2004 05:26 GMT
#44
It's not like the previous WCG maps were so balanced. NEO Legacy of Char sucked big time for PvZ.

I don't see what is so bad about Martian Cross for PvT, but I've played like 2 games on it. Grrr... and Fisheye beat Silent_Control PvT there.

And Stimey, I don't think these maps were even used in the Korean qualifiers last year (I seem to remember it being a last minute change), so Nada failing to qualify wouldn't have to do with the maps.

I can't believe they didn't fix the maps after a year though, geez
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Oxygen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada3581 Posts
April 13 2004 05:48 GMT
#45
What kind of gay maps are those? Gaema, NJS, JRM, NNWO, please.
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Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
April 13 2004 05:50 GMT
#46
Haven't played or seen NNWO in ages. No idea what NJS is. JRM is unbalanced PvT in favor of T.
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BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
April 13 2004 05:55 GMT
#47
If it were up to me, it would be gaema, nostalgia, charity and temple. Keep it some simple, good maps.
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
Hoops
Profile Joined April 2004
417 Posts
April 13 2004 06:04 GMT
#48
Any island map is going to hurt zerg players. The goal of the maps should be to have 3 maps that each favor one race since there just aren't maps that all races are even on. Then at least in a best of 3 the maps overall will be somewhat even in the end.
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
April 13 2004 07:00 GMT
#49
hoops that is a bad idea, the whole tournament would be based on luck of the map.

Bigballs plz tell whats wrong with pvt on martian cross.
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Pumpkin
Profile Joined December 2003
United States1141 Posts
April 13 2004 07:01 GMT
#50
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ApollyoN
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1297 Posts
April 13 2004 07:22 GMT
#51
yes i know
i was thinking that if we made a big plea for a map change on their forums or something we could get a change. worth a try anyway :D
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7246 Posts
April 13 2004 07:24 GMT
#52
well, its just blatently obvious when people competing for money are taking their 2nd or 3rd races because of how horrible the maps are ;O
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Kacas
Profile Joined July 2003
Brazil3143 Posts
April 13 2004 08:14 GMT
#53
i prefer the olds one
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Arbiter[frolix]
Profile Joined January 2004
United Kingdom2674 Posts
April 13 2004 08:18 GMT
#54
Lost Temple is way overplayed. It is nice to get away from it.
We are vigilant.
Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
April 13 2004 16:38 GMT
#55
Enter The Dragon, Nostalgia, Charity, and Lost Temple would be my picks~

When you have a 4 map rotation, lost temple is a good map to have. Every1 has played it and its balanced. for wcg you need to play the other 3 maps just as much as temple. :X
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comabreaded
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
United States2166 Posts
April 13 2004 16:54 GMT
#56
On April 13 2004 13:52 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2004 13:47 ApollyoN wrote:
On April 13 2004 13:40 NoNameLoser wrote:
Look at the bright side, the more luck they put in maps, the more likely foreigners have a chance in winning.

way to be optimistic i guess


ya fisheye and ogogo top 2 players last year.. better than everyone else in the world clearly shown in the world cyber games! wcg last year proof that korea is just overrated ogogo is the best nada cant even qualify! no boxer no yellow! allt hose players are clearly overrated as evidenced by the very useful result of last wcg. lets s4ee these wonderful maps and format again!


i think you're forgetting that the korean wcg prelims were played on the original wcg maps.
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Zerius[TPR]
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada1633 Posts
April 13 2004 17:00 GMT
#57
On April 13 2004 09:17 Beast_Bg wrote:
Dahlia is a VERY good map.Martian is ok for a all-land map(I hate em,well most of em..)
Gorky and Kohral are fun maps..but too imbalanced.Terran is too strong on both and PvZ on Kohral is just impossible.


um, wasnt Korhal the map that Giyom was unbeatable PvZ on in WCG2003? He won like all his PvZs on Korhal within like 10 minutes.
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SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
April 13 2004 17:08 GMT
#58
dahlia is at best an okay map
the rest suck
my map picks would be:

On April 14 2004 01:38 Teroru wrote:
Enter The Dragon, Nostalgia, Charity, and Lost Temple would be my picks~

When you have a 4 map rotation, lost temple is a good map to have. Every1 has played it and its balanced. for wcg you need to play the other 3 maps just as much as temple. :X
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iamimat
Profile Joined January 2003
Canada367 Posts
April 13 2004 20:07 GMT
#59
Nada went to korean qualifier lost 1 game and went home, was not even eliminated =O.

And dispite what i have said previously (braking down each map), if I am correct a zerg came in 1st place, protoss 2ed, protoss 3ed, terran 4th. So how is it in terrans favor? These maps are probabaly more suited for protoss then any other map pack for other tournaments overall.

Gorky is the only map that people will have trouble against terran, but does not mean its impossible.
AgonyRush
Profile Joined January 2003
United States2540 Posts
April 13 2004 21:55 GMT
#60
On April 14 2004 05:07 iamimat wrote:
Nada went to korean qualifier lost 1 game and went home, was not even eliminated =O.


i thought it was single elimination...
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
April 13 2004 22:01 GMT
#61
I thought the Korean prelims were one game, and a loss meant you were out. That's why Ogogo won, and Nada didn't.
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GroT
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Belgium3003 Posts
April 13 2004 23:00 GMT
#62
many foolish opinions in this thread I think, why does everyone assume that they know about map balance and player skill?

every stereotype i've seen posted here (for example, terran owns all on gorky park) has been broken multiple times in wcg 2003

why don't we all just try to improve on the maps they gave (or at least those of you that are lucky enough to have a wcg for starcraft), and stop whining about what race owns what race? what will you all say when you get eliminated by your own race or on the map where your race was supposed to own?
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AgonyRush
Profile Joined January 2003
United States2540 Posts
April 13 2004 23:17 GMT
#63
On April 14 2004 08:00 GroT wrote:


every stereotype i've seen posted here (for example, terran owns all on gorky park) has been broken multiple times in wcg 2003



every rule has its exeptions.
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