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On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives.
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know your chopper was in danger of being rammed by that van.
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On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives.
I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter.
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On April 06 2010 04:53 starfries wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 04:47 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:41 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ohmygod. -_- are you serious? first of all . "All americans should be ashamed of this shit" you're judging a large group of people because of the action of a few? Like saying all germans are nazi's. secondly, ITS A WAR. honestly if i were in uniform standing guard, and there was a person with a object THAT LOOKS LIKE A GUN i'd be scared shitless. They did what was expected of them. Of course it lead to unexpected deaths but if they hadnt and it had been enemies they would have been the ones who had died Cut the fucking "I am me, he is him" argument. You are an american (lets assume you are). that was an american army shooting fucking civilians. they represent your fucking country. they represent you. im gonna call you out, and say you are a piece of shit. You don't get to have your leaders kill innocents, and not a be part of the blame. Just like your fucking army generalizes terrorists and shoots them just in case, I'm gonna generalize americans, and say you did it and support it. If you want that to change, then go do something about it. except half the americans DIDN'T support it and in fact had no idea so many civilians would get killed. and the ones that did support it weren't thinking "man i hope a lot of civilians die"
Was less than half, and many of those who did, did so based on emotions left over from 9/11. The real issue is that it wasn't anybody's decision, there was no declaration of war, it was issued from the president directly. That my friend is dictatorship. The fact that no one rose to revolt, that no soldiers refused to be part of it is what is scary. Again look at the Nazis, it's just like the SS soldiers working in camps. They didnt plan out the gas chambers, they obeyed. PEOPLE make up the army... No one from the elite is actually fighting or getting their loved ones in harm's way. That's what's scary. People obeyed without questionning. That's called being herded. Happens to sheep.
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On April 06 2010 05:04 mdb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter.
Also why would they put a wounded man in a van filled with explosives if they were going to blow it up in the near future?
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this shit is fucking disgusting. whats even more disgusting is how us Americans don't do shit about these god awful wars. completely unjustified with millions of innocents being killed in the name of freedom and security. it's a fucking joke
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On April 06 2010 05:05 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:04 mdb wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter. Also why would they put a wounded man in a van filled with explosives if they were going to blow it up in the near future?
HAHAHHAHAHHAHA omg I'm seriously dying right now
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On April 06 2010 04:54 reit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 04:47 Saugardas wrote:
Another thing that bugs me about this thread is the fact that some people are saying that all Americans ought to be ashamed of themselves. It is as if you are saying those 3 crazy soldiers represent the entire US population of 300,000,000. Please people, do not simplify your thinking like that. But Osama bin Laden represent the entire Afghan and Iraqi population. No? Why are your soldiers and leaders thinking like that then? Isnt the government MANDATED BY THE PEOPLE?
You know, despite his ranting, he's got a point on this post.
And ^ Lol.
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On April 06 2010 05:00 jonnyp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 04:52 reit wrote:On April 06 2010 04:44 jonnyp wrote:
Why the hell would they drive towards a fire-fight with a van full of children?! I can somewhat understand the sentiment of wanting to help out, but it's obviously a bad idea if you have children riding in the backseat.
Anyways, the summary of events as I understand them:
1. Soldiers are patrolling an area in an attack helicopter. The fact that they are patrolling this area hints that there might have been some disturbances recently. Really, though, we have no idea about the context these events happened in.
2. Soldiers see a group of armed men who appear to be terrorists, request permission to fire.
3. Soldiers get permission to fire, they fire. They are excited to have killed some (what they thought were) terrorists. They fired again to make sure the terrorists were dead, my guess is they don't want one to suddenly pop up and shoot an rpg at them.
4. An unmarked van pulled up to the group of men, it was unclear what exactly they were doing driving up suddenly to a fire-fight. Soldiers ask permission to fire on the suspicious van.
5. Soldiers get permission to fire on said van, they fire on van.
6. Awkward moment when they find out that some idiot drove into a fire-fight with a van full of children.
and lol @ riet What if one of the guys first shot was your brother, you have a van and are close-by? You let him die? We don't know the situation on the ground, maybe the van driver is a close friend? A colleague? All we know is that van was not posing a threat (neither were the first people they shot). You don't understand that these people have lives, families, aspirations, dreams? You'd let them die there? You wouldn't try to rescue them? At this distance, they probably couldn't even tell what fucking shot them... You fail to consider that these people have reasons to do what they do. It's like the video game generation is stuck in single player mode where everything around them is CPU and isn't as important as themselves. lol, did you read my post at all? I said I UNDERSTAND wanting to help out, but (and listen carefully to this part) they had a van full of children! You don't drive a bunch of children into a fire-fight, it's basic common sense. If they really had to help out that badly then at least leave the children out of it. As to the "not posing a threat", they're in an unmarked white van pulling up to a group of what were highly believed to be armed insurrectionists. A little suspicious.
The video was edited. The chopper had stopped shooting for a while when the van pulled up. Believe me if a person close to you is laying on the ground after being shot, I'm sure many people would go and help him, even with children in the back seat. Maybe you wouldn't, but theres no way to know, as an American, you've never experienced living in a war zone (I haven't either).
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On April 06 2010 05:06 ulszz wrote:
completely unjustified with millions of innocents being killed in the name of freedom and security.
Whilst I agree with your overall sentiment, I think you're being a bit hyperbolic.
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On April 06 2010 05:05 reit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 04:53 starfries wrote:On April 06 2010 04:47 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:41 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ohmygod. -_- are you serious? first of all . "All americans should be ashamed of this shit" you're judging a large group of people because of the action of a few? Like saying all germans are nazi's. secondly, ITS A WAR. honestly if i were in uniform standing guard, and there was a person with a object THAT LOOKS LIKE A GUN i'd be scared shitless. They did what was expected of them. Of course it lead to unexpected deaths but if they hadnt and it had been enemies they would have been the ones who had died Cut the fucking "I am me, he is him" argument. You are an american (lets assume you are). that was an american army shooting fucking civilians. they represent your fucking country. they represent you. im gonna call you out, and say you are a piece of shit. You don't get to have your leaders kill innocents, and not a be part of the blame. Just like your fucking army generalizes terrorists and shoots them just in case, I'm gonna generalize americans, and say you did it and support it. If you want that to change, then go do something about it. except half the americans DIDN'T support it and in fact had no idea so many civilians would get killed. and the ones that did support it weren't thinking "man i hope a lot of civilians die" Was less than half, and many of those who did, did so based on emotions left over from 9/11. The real issue is that it wasn't anybody's decision, there was no declaration of war, it was issued from the president directly. That my friend is dictatorship. The fact that no one rose to revolt, that no soldiers refused to be part of it is what is scary. Again look at the Nazis, it's just like the SS soldiers working in camps. They didnt plan out the gas chambers, they obeyed. PEOPLE make up the army... No one from the elite is actually fighting or getting their loved ones in harm's way. That's what's scary. People obeyed without questionning. That's called being herded. Happens to sheep.
There's countless people revolting, except they're not barbaric and blow up their own people with a bomb strapped to their back.
People picket this shit every day.
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On April 06 2010 05:09 ErOs_HalO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:05 reit wrote:On April 06 2010 04:53 starfries wrote:On April 06 2010 04:47 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:41 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ohmygod. -_- are you serious? first of all . "All americans should be ashamed of this shit" you're judging a large group of people because of the action of a few? Like saying all germans are nazi's. secondly, ITS A WAR. honestly if i were in uniform standing guard, and there was a person with a object THAT LOOKS LIKE A GUN i'd be scared shitless. They did what was expected of them. Of course it lead to unexpected deaths but if they hadnt and it had been enemies they would have been the ones who had died Cut the fucking "I am me, he is him" argument. You are an american (lets assume you are). that was an american army shooting fucking civilians. they represent your fucking country. they represent you. im gonna call you out, and say you are a piece of shit. You don't get to have your leaders kill innocents, and not a be part of the blame. Just like your fucking army generalizes terrorists and shoots them just in case, I'm gonna generalize americans, and say you did it and support it. If you want that to change, then go do something about it. except half the americans DIDN'T support it and in fact had no idea so many civilians would get killed. and the ones that did support it weren't thinking "man i hope a lot of civilians die" Was less than half, and many of those who did, did so based on emotions left over from 9/11. The real issue is that it wasn't anybody's decision, there was no declaration of war, it was issued from the president directly. That my friend is dictatorship. The fact that no one rose to revolt, that no soldiers refused to be part of it is what is scary. Again look at the Nazis, it's just like the SS soldiers working in camps. They didnt plan out the gas chambers, they obeyed. PEOPLE make up the army... No one from the elite is actually fighting or getting their loved ones in harm's way. That's what's scary. People obeyed without questionning. That's called being herded. Happens to sheep. There's countless people revolting, except they're not barbaric and blow up their own people with a bomb strapped to their back. People picket this shit every day.
Picketing wont change shit. When was the last time you saw an American administration stepping down due to public pressure? Coups work better. Arm yourself, take over Washington. Keep the states as independent from central federal government as much as possible.
Picketing ... rofl. I'm sure it makes those people feel good about themselves though
Slaves weren't freed by picketing and demonstrations. They were freed through war between an ideology that wanted to keep them as sub-human slaves and one that recognized them the same rights as white people.
The people who control policy in the west have us literally enslaved, as we own them ridiculous amounts of money, which we can only pay back by printing more money (at an interest). It's impossible to ever get even with debt in this system. MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. Why would they just give up on the choke hold they have the populations in?
It sucks, I'd rather not see any innocents dying. But the power structure won't give up it's total control through pressure. They might with a gun under their their chin.
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On April 06 2010 05:05 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:04 mdb wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter. Also why would they put a wounded man in a van filled with explosives if they were going to blow it up in the near future?
On April 06 2010 05:04 mdb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter.
On April 06 2010 05:03 FortuneSyn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know your chopper was in danger of being rammed by that van.
did any of you watch???
when the van rolled up, ground troops were already closing in to secure the area. unmarked van, suicide bombers.....
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On April 06 2010 05:09 ErOs_HalO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:05 reit wrote:On April 06 2010 04:53 starfries wrote:On April 06 2010 04:47 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:41 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ohmygod. -_- are you serious? first of all . "All americans should be ashamed of this shit" you're judging a large group of people because of the action of a few? Like saying all germans are nazi's. secondly, ITS A WAR. honestly if i were in uniform standing guard, and there was a person with a object THAT LOOKS LIKE A GUN i'd be scared shitless. They did what was expected of them. Of course it lead to unexpected deaths but if they hadnt and it had been enemies they would have been the ones who had died Cut the fucking "I am me, he is him" argument. You are an american (lets assume you are). that was an american army shooting fucking civilians. they represent your fucking country. they represent you. im gonna call you out, and say you are a piece of shit. You don't get to have your leaders kill innocents, and not a be part of the blame. Just like your fucking army generalizes terrorists and shoots them just in case, I'm gonna generalize americans, and say you did it and support it. If you want that to change, then go do something about it. except half the americans DIDN'T support it and in fact had no idea so many civilians would get killed. and the ones that did support it weren't thinking "man i hope a lot of civilians die" Was less than half, and many of those who did, did so based on emotions left over from 9/11. The real issue is that it wasn't anybody's decision, there was no declaration of war, it was issued from the president directly. That my friend is dictatorship. The fact that no one rose to revolt, that no soldiers refused to be part of it is what is scary. Again look at the Nazis, it's just like the SS soldiers working in camps. They didnt plan out the gas chambers, they obeyed. PEOPLE make up the army... No one from the elite is actually fighting or getting their loved ones in harm's way. That's what's scary. People obeyed without questionning. That's called being herded. Happens to sheep. There's countless people revolting, except they're not barbaric and blow up their own people with a bomb strapped to their back. People picket this shit every day.
There's a really good quote from the Algerian side during the film "The Battle of Algiers" when the French commander asks the Algerian leader, doesn't he think it's wrong to deploy things like suicide bombers and he says "We'll trade you our bombs, knives and pistols for your rockets, planes and tanks". (not exact quote but you get the drift)
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Someone should start a thread on this subject here.
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On April 06 2010 05:05 reit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 04:53 starfries wrote:On April 06 2010 04:47 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:41 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ohmygod. -_- are you serious? first of all . "All americans should be ashamed of this shit" you're judging a large group of people because of the action of a few? Like saying all germans are nazi's. secondly, ITS A WAR. honestly if i were in uniform standing guard, and there was a person with a object THAT LOOKS LIKE A GUN i'd be scared shitless. They did what was expected of them. Of course it lead to unexpected deaths but if they hadnt and it had been enemies they would have been the ones who had died Cut the fucking "I am me, he is him" argument. You are an american (lets assume you are). that was an american army shooting fucking civilians. they represent your fucking country. they represent you. im gonna call you out, and say you are a piece of shit. You don't get to have your leaders kill innocents, and not a be part of the blame. Just like your fucking army generalizes terrorists and shoots them just in case, I'm gonna generalize americans, and say you did it and support it. If you want that to change, then go do something about it. except half the americans DIDN'T support it and in fact had no idea so many civilians would get killed. and the ones that did support it weren't thinking "man i hope a lot of civilians die" Was less than half, and many of those who did, did so based on emotions left over from 9/11. The real issue is that it wasn't anybody's decision, there was no declaration of war, it was issued from the president directly. That my friend is dictatorship. The fact that no one rose to revolt, that no soldiers refused to be part of it is what is scary. Again look at the Nazis, it's just like the SS soldiers working in camps. They didnt plan out the gas chambers, they obeyed. PEOPLE make up the army... No one from the elite is actually fighting or getting their loved ones in harm's way. That's what's scary. People obeyed without questionning. That's called being herded. Happens to sheep.
Except people did protest, and oh, look, we also have a different president now. That my friend is democracy.
And... PEOPLE make up the army, but wait! they're being herded, so they're actually sheep. anyways, they're soldiers - their job is to follow orders, not make decisions. In fact, if their job was to make decisions, the guys in the helicopter would have started firing a lot earlier.
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On April 06 2010 05:12 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:05 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:On April 06 2010 05:04 mdb wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter. Also why would they put a wounded man in a van filled with explosives if they were going to blow it up in the near future? Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:04 mdb wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter. Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:03 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know your chopper was in danger of being rammed by that van. did any of you watch??? when the van rolled up, ground troops were already closing in to secure the area. unmarked van, suicide bombers.....
Well, that must have been the fastest ever suicide truck preparation.
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On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference.
And, you know, a few warning shots, or getting closer and playing some kind of loud audio recording telling them to drop everything and wait for the convoy would have been less appropriate?
Shit, what is up with this "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality? They didn't fire any shots (at least, it appeared that none were fired), they could not clearly identify the weapons, they could not see any hostile action, most of the people there were unarmed, they had backup on the way, and they're in a freaking Apache helicopter, which is basically immune to small and medium fire (and no heavy arms were noticeable either).
If they were following the rules of engagement, then it's not really their fault that this happened. It's the fault of whoever designed those rules for that time period.
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On April 06 2010 05:12 reit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:09 ErOs_HalO wrote:On April 06 2010 05:05 reit wrote:On April 06 2010 04:53 starfries wrote:On April 06 2010 04:47 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:41 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ohmygod. -_- are you serious? first of all . "All americans should be ashamed of this shit" you're judging a large group of people because of the action of a few? Like saying all germans are nazi's. secondly, ITS A WAR. honestly if i were in uniform standing guard, and there was a person with a object THAT LOOKS LIKE A GUN i'd be scared shitless. They did what was expected of them. Of course it lead to unexpected deaths but if they hadnt and it had been enemies they would have been the ones who had died Cut the fucking "I am me, he is him" argument. You are an american (lets assume you are). that was an american army shooting fucking civilians. they represent your fucking country. they represent you. im gonna call you out, and say you are a piece of shit. You don't get to have your leaders kill innocents, and not a be part of the blame. Just like your fucking army generalizes terrorists and shoots them just in case, I'm gonna generalize americans, and say you did it and support it. If you want that to change, then go do something about it. except half the americans DIDN'T support it and in fact had no idea so many civilians would get killed. and the ones that did support it weren't thinking "man i hope a lot of civilians die" Was less than half, and many of those who did, did so based on emotions left over from 9/11. The real issue is that it wasn't anybody's decision, there was no declaration of war, it was issued from the president directly. That my friend is dictatorship. The fact that no one rose to revolt, that no soldiers refused to be part of it is what is scary. Again look at the Nazis, it's just like the SS soldiers working in camps. They didnt plan out the gas chambers, they obeyed. PEOPLE make up the army... No one from the elite is actually fighting or getting their loved ones in harm's way. That's what's scary. People obeyed without questionning. That's called being herded. Happens to sheep. There's countless people revolting, except they're not barbaric and blow up their own people with a bomb strapped to their back. People picket this shit every day. Picketing wont change shit. When was the last time you saw an American administration stepping down due to public pressure? Coups work better. Arm yourself, take over Washington. Keep the states as independent from central federal government as much as possible. Picketing ... rofl. I'm sure it makes those people feel good about themselves though
lol
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On April 06 2010 05:12 reit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:09 ErOs_HalO wrote:On April 06 2010 05:05 reit wrote:On April 06 2010 04:53 starfries wrote:On April 06 2010 04:47 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:41 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ohmygod. -_- are you serious? first of all . "All americans should be ashamed of this shit" you're judging a large group of people because of the action of a few? Like saying all germans are nazi's. secondly, ITS A WAR. honestly if i were in uniform standing guard, and there was a person with a object THAT LOOKS LIKE A GUN i'd be scared shitless. They did what was expected of them. Of course it lead to unexpected deaths but if they hadnt and it had been enemies they would have been the ones who had died Cut the fucking "I am me, he is him" argument. You are an american (lets assume you are). that was an american army shooting fucking civilians. they represent your fucking country. they represent you. im gonna call you out, and say you are a piece of shit. You don't get to have your leaders kill innocents, and not a be part of the blame. Just like your fucking army generalizes terrorists and shoots them just in case, I'm gonna generalize americans, and say you did it and support it. If you want that to change, then go do something about it. except half the americans DIDN'T support it and in fact had no idea so many civilians would get killed. and the ones that did support it weren't thinking "man i hope a lot of civilians die" Was less than half, and many of those who did, did so based on emotions left over from 9/11. The real issue is that it wasn't anybody's decision, there was no declaration of war, it was issued from the president directly. That my friend is dictatorship. The fact that no one rose to revolt, that no soldiers refused to be part of it is what is scary. Again look at the Nazis, it's just like the SS soldiers working in camps. They didnt plan out the gas chambers, they obeyed. PEOPLE make up the army... No one from the elite is actually fighting or getting their loved ones in harm's way. That's what's scary. People obeyed without questionning. That's called being herded. Happens to sheep. There's countless people revolting, except they're not barbaric and blow up their own people with a bomb strapped to their back. People picket this shit every day. Picketing wont change shit. When was the last time you saw an American administration stepping down due to public pressure? Coups work better. Arm yourself, take over Washington. Keep the states as independent from central federal government as much as possible. Picketing ... rofl. I'm sure it makes those people feel good about themselves though
Take over Washington? Yeah, that sounds like a great way to go to prison for the rest of my life.
I can do a lot from there huh?
Look, I do my part. I go to many countries and deliver medical supplies and help build hospitals.
There's much more I can do to make this a better place.
You're the most holier than thou person in this thread. You're the hypocrite. Maybe you should go blow yourself up, and take as many Americans as you can with you.
I have no clue why you're not banned. Seriously.
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On April 06 2010 05:14 starfries wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:05 reit wrote:On April 06 2010 04:53 starfries wrote:On April 06 2010 04:47 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:41 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ohmygod. -_- are you serious? first of all . "All americans should be ashamed of this shit" you're judging a large group of people because of the action of a few? Like saying all germans are nazi's. secondly, ITS A WAR. honestly if i were in uniform standing guard, and there was a person with a object THAT LOOKS LIKE A GUN i'd be scared shitless. They did what was expected of them. Of course it lead to unexpected deaths but if they hadnt and it had been enemies they would have been the ones who had died Cut the fucking "I am me, he is him" argument. You are an american (lets assume you are). that was an american army shooting fucking civilians. they represent your fucking country. they represent you. im gonna call you out, and say you are a piece of shit. You don't get to have your leaders kill innocents, and not a be part of the blame. Just like your fucking army generalizes terrorists and shoots them just in case, I'm gonna generalize americans, and say you did it and support it. If you want that to change, then go do something about it. except half the americans DIDN'T support it and in fact had no idea so many civilians would get killed. and the ones that did support it weren't thinking "man i hope a lot of civilians die" Was less than half, and many of those who did, did so based on emotions left over from 9/11. The real issue is that it wasn't anybody's decision, there was no declaration of war, it was issued from the president directly. That my friend is dictatorship. The fact that no one rose to revolt, that no soldiers refused to be part of it is what is scary. Again look at the Nazis, it's just like the SS soldiers working in camps. They didnt plan out the gas chambers, they obeyed. PEOPLE make up the army... No one from the elite is actually fighting or getting their loved ones in harm's way. That's what's scary. People obeyed without questionning. That's called being herded. Happens to sheep. Except people did protest, and oh, look, we also have a different president now. That my friend is democracy.
A different president with the same policy, controlled by the same powers. Nice change you got.
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