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Sad stuff, can't believe a 1 trillion dollar budget doesn't buy a better camera
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On April 06 2010 05:07 reit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:00 jonnyp wrote:On April 06 2010 04:52 reit wrote:On April 06 2010 04:44 jonnyp wrote:
Why the hell would they drive towards a fire-fight with a van full of children?! I can somewhat understand the sentiment of wanting to help out, but it's obviously a bad idea if you have children riding in the backseat.
Anyways, the summary of events as I understand them:
1. Soldiers are patrolling an area in an attack helicopter. The fact that they are patrolling this area hints that there might have been some disturbances recently. Really, though, we have no idea about the context these events happened in.
2. Soldiers see a group of armed men who appear to be terrorists, request permission to fire.
3. Soldiers get permission to fire, they fire. They are excited to have killed some (what they thought were) terrorists. They fired again to make sure the terrorists were dead, my guess is they don't want one to suddenly pop up and shoot an rpg at them.
4. An unmarked van pulled up to the group of men, it was unclear what exactly they were doing driving up suddenly to a fire-fight. Soldiers ask permission to fire on the suspicious van.
5. Soldiers get permission to fire on said van, they fire on van.
6. Awkward moment when they find out that some idiot drove into a fire-fight with a van full of children.
and lol @ riet What if one of the guys first shot was your brother, you have a van and are close-by? You let him die? We don't know the situation on the ground, maybe the van driver is a close friend? A colleague? All we know is that van was not posing a threat (neither were the first people they shot). You don't understand that these people have lives, families, aspirations, dreams? You'd let them die there? You wouldn't try to rescue them? At this distance, they probably couldn't even tell what fucking shot them... You fail to consider that these people have reasons to do what they do. It's like the video game generation is stuck in single player mode where everything around them is CPU and isn't as important as themselves. lol, did you read my post at all? I said I UNDERSTAND wanting to help out, but (and listen carefully to this part) they had a van full of children! You don't drive a bunch of children into a fire-fight, it's basic common sense. If they really had to help out that badly then at least leave the children out of it. As to the "not posing a threat", they're in an unmarked white van pulling up to a group of what were highly believed to be armed insurrectionists. A little suspicious. The video was edited. The chopper had stopped shooting for a while when the van pulled up. Believe me if a person close to you is laying on the ground after being shot, I'm sure many people would go and help him, even with children in the back seat. Maybe you wouldn't, but theres no way to know, as an American, you've never experienced living in a war zone (I haven't either).
I definitely wouldn't go out of the way to help someone that's probably already dead if it put my children, or anyone else's for that matter, at a high risk of being shot. They could have easily left the children somewhere and then gone to help.
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On April 06 2010 05:15 mdb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:12 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 05:05 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:On April 06 2010 05:04 mdb wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter. Also why would they put a wounded man in a van filled with explosives if they were going to blow it up in the near future? On April 06 2010 05:04 mdb wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter. On April 06 2010 05:03 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know your chopper was in danger of being rammed by that van. did any of you watch??? when the van rolled up, ground troops were already closing in to secure the area. unmarked van, suicide bombers..... Well, that must have been the fastest ever suicide truck preparation.
so there's no conceivable way that the truck could have been rigged in advance, and when troops come near, it detonates? Come on.....
I think that the war is fucking retarded, as do most of the people here, but you have to be incredibly fucking stubborn to find anything wrong in the way the soldiers acted here. Take it in a vacuum—it's all by the books.
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On April 06 2010 05:17 reit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:14 starfries wrote:On April 06 2010 05:05 reit wrote:On April 06 2010 04:53 starfries wrote:On April 06 2010 04:47 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:41 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ohmygod. -_- are you serious? first of all . "All americans should be ashamed of this shit" you're judging a large group of people because of the action of a few? Like saying all germans are nazi's. secondly, ITS A WAR. honestly if i were in uniform standing guard, and there was a person with a object THAT LOOKS LIKE A GUN i'd be scared shitless. They did what was expected of them. Of course it lead to unexpected deaths but if they hadnt and it had been enemies they would have been the ones who had died Cut the fucking "I am me, he is him" argument. You are an american (lets assume you are). that was an american army shooting fucking civilians. they represent your fucking country. they represent you. im gonna call you out, and say you are a piece of shit. You don't get to have your leaders kill innocents, and not a be part of the blame. Just like your fucking army generalizes terrorists and shoots them just in case, I'm gonna generalize americans, and say you did it and support it. If you want that to change, then go do something about it. except half the americans DIDN'T support it and in fact had no idea so many civilians would get killed. and the ones that did support it weren't thinking "man i hope a lot of civilians die" Was less than half, and many of those who did, did so based on emotions left over from 9/11. The real issue is that it wasn't anybody's decision, there was no declaration of war, it was issued from the president directly. That my friend is dictatorship. The fact that no one rose to revolt, that no soldiers refused to be part of it is what is scary. Again look at the Nazis, it's just like the SS soldiers working in camps. They didnt plan out the gas chambers, they obeyed. PEOPLE make up the army... No one from the elite is actually fighting or getting their loved ones in harm's way. That's what's scary. People obeyed without questionning. That's called being herded. Happens to sheep. Except people did protest, and oh, look, we also have a different president now. That my friend is democracy. A different president with the same policy, controlled by the same powers. Nice change you got.
because if we BLEW UP the old president instead, the president we would get would be SO MUCH BETTER.
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On April 06 2010 05:12 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:05 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:On April 06 2010 05:04 mdb wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter. Also why would they put a wounded man in a van filled with explosives if they were going to blow it up in the near future? Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:04 mdb wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter. Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:03 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know your chopper was in danger of being rammed by that van. did any of you watch??? when the van rolled up, ground troops were already closing in to secure the area. unmarked van, suicide bombers.....
You know what Hawk, you've been constantly harping on this "did you watch the video" point over and over again and I want to say, "Did you actually watch the fucking thing itself?". AT WHAT POINT did it actually look like those guys were going to actively be a danger to the chopper pre firing?
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On April 06 2010 05:16 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:12 reit wrote:On April 06 2010 05:09 ErOs_HalO wrote:On April 06 2010 05:05 reit wrote:On April 06 2010 04:53 starfries wrote:On April 06 2010 04:47 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:41 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ohmygod. -_- are you serious? first of all . "All americans should be ashamed of this shit" you're judging a large group of people because of the action of a few? Like saying all germans are nazi's. secondly, ITS A WAR. honestly if i were in uniform standing guard, and there was a person with a object THAT LOOKS LIKE A GUN i'd be scared shitless. They did what was expected of them. Of course it lead to unexpected deaths but if they hadnt and it had been enemies they would have been the ones who had died Cut the fucking "I am me, he is him" argument. You are an american (lets assume you are). that was an american army shooting fucking civilians. they represent your fucking country. they represent you. im gonna call you out, and say you are a piece of shit. You don't get to have your leaders kill innocents, and not a be part of the blame. Just like your fucking army generalizes terrorists and shoots them just in case, I'm gonna generalize americans, and say you did it and support it. If you want that to change, then go do something about it. except half the americans DIDN'T support it and in fact had no idea so many civilians would get killed. and the ones that did support it weren't thinking "man i hope a lot of civilians die" Was less than half, and many of those who did, did so based on emotions left over from 9/11. The real issue is that it wasn't anybody's decision, there was no declaration of war, it was issued from the president directly. That my friend is dictatorship. The fact that no one rose to revolt, that no soldiers refused to be part of it is what is scary. Again look at the Nazis, it's just like the SS soldiers working in camps. They didnt plan out the gas chambers, they obeyed. PEOPLE make up the army... No one from the elite is actually fighting or getting their loved ones in harm's way. That's what's scary. People obeyed without questionning. That's called being herded. Happens to sheep. There's countless people revolting, except they're not barbaric and blow up their own people with a bomb strapped to their back. People picket this shit every day. Picketing wont change shit. When was the last time you saw an American administration stepping down due to public pressure? Coups work better. Arm yourself, take over Washington. Keep the states as independent from central federal government as much as possible. Picketing ... rofl. I'm sure it makes those people feel good about themselves though lol
I'm not saying people from TL who read this should pick up their guns and head to DC. I'm saying that's the only solution that I believe would actually change shit.
Let's go back to the war of independance, how many would've "lol'd" at the idea of revolting against Britain? If the American colonists were like you, America would still be British (which you personally might be happy with).
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On April 06 2010 05:20 reit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:16 KwarK wrote:On April 06 2010 05:12 reit wrote:On April 06 2010 05:09 ErOs_HalO wrote:On April 06 2010 05:05 reit wrote:On April 06 2010 04:53 starfries wrote:On April 06 2010 04:47 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:41 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ohmygod. -_- are you serious? first of all . "All americans should be ashamed of this shit" you're judging a large group of people because of the action of a few? Like saying all germans are nazi's. secondly, ITS A WAR. honestly if i were in uniform standing guard, and there was a person with a object THAT LOOKS LIKE A GUN i'd be scared shitless. They did what was expected of them. Of course it lead to unexpected deaths but if they hadnt and it had been enemies they would have been the ones who had died Cut the fucking "I am me, he is him" argument. You are an american (lets assume you are). that was an american army shooting fucking civilians. they represent your fucking country. they represent you. im gonna call you out, and say you are a piece of shit. You don't get to have your leaders kill innocents, and not a be part of the blame. Just like your fucking army generalizes terrorists and shoots them just in case, I'm gonna generalize americans, and say you did it and support it. If you want that to change, then go do something about it. except half the americans DIDN'T support it and in fact had no idea so many civilians would get killed. and the ones that did support it weren't thinking "man i hope a lot of civilians die" Was less than half, and many of those who did, did so based on emotions left over from 9/11. The real issue is that it wasn't anybody's decision, there was no declaration of war, it was issued from the president directly. That my friend is dictatorship. The fact that no one rose to revolt, that no soldiers refused to be part of it is what is scary. Again look at the Nazis, it's just like the SS soldiers working in camps. They didnt plan out the gas chambers, they obeyed. PEOPLE make up the army... No one from the elite is actually fighting or getting their loved ones in harm's way. That's what's scary. People obeyed without questionning. That's called being herded. Happens to sheep. There's countless people revolting, except they're not barbaric and blow up their own people with a bomb strapped to their back. People picket this shit every day. Picketing wont change shit. When was the last time you saw an American administration stepping down due to public pressure? Coups work better. Arm yourself, take over Washington. Keep the states as independent from central federal government as much as possible. Picketing ... rofl. I'm sure it makes those people feel good about themselves though lol I'm not saying people from TL who read this should pick up their guns and head to DC. I'm saying that's the only solution that I believe would actually change shit. Let's go back to the war of independance, how many would've "lol'd" at the idea of revolting against Britain? If the American colonists were like you, America would still be British (which you personally might be happy with).
lol
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On April 06 2010 04:58 reit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 04:51 Subversive wrote:On April 06 2010 04:47 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:41 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ohmygod. -_- are you serious? first of all . "All americans should be ashamed of this shit" you're judging a large group of people because of the action of a few? Like saying all germans are nazi's. secondly, ITS A WAR. honestly if i were in uniform standing guard, and there was a person with a object THAT LOOKS LIKE A GUN i'd be scared shitless. They did what was expected of them. Of course it lead to unexpected deaths but if they hadnt and it had been enemies they would have been the ones who had died Cut the fucking "I am me, he is him" argument. You are an american (lets assume you are). that was an american army shooting fucking civilians. they represent your fucking country. they represent you. im gonna call you out, and say you are a piece of shit. You don't get to have your leaders kill innocents, and not a be part of the blame. Just like your fucking army generalizes terrorists and shoots them just in case, I'm gonna generalize americans, and say you did it and support it. If you want that to change, then go do something about it. Er that's really off. It's a democracy. Sometimes the party or leader you don't want gets in. And they do things like invade Iraq. I didn't support australia's invasion and I'm sure there are plenty of americans who aren't happy with everything Bush did or Obama is doing now. You can't group the entire nation and say it's responsible for everything it's government has ever done. Leave americans alone. Seriously, the second most annoying thing in this thread is ppl bashing americans generally. Dislike the policy or the government, not the people. Yeah, just whine at the government and hope that the next 2 candidates the establishment hand picks are magically different and will break off from the elite who runs policy behind the curtains. LOL. Magical thinking does wonders.
I'm sorry I just don't share your view about politicians and parties in general. So I'm pretty happy when the party I vote for gets in. But you're basically espousing overthrowing elected governments and tearing down the system so I'm not so surprised we see it a little differently.
Anyway, we don't have '2 candidates' in Australia  . We have compulsory voting and a fairly decent political system that's given us alot of good leaders and governments. Sorry you feel so jaded and cynical about your own system, but you know, you might be wrong?
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On April 06 2010 05:18 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:15 mdb wrote:On April 06 2010 05:12 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 05:05 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:On April 06 2010 05:04 mdb wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:
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??? Did you watch the video?
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Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:
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??? Did you watch the video?
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Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter. Also why would they put a wounded man in a van filled with explosives if they were going to blow it up in the near future? On April 06 2010 05:04 mdb wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter. On April 06 2010 05:03 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know your chopper was in danger of being rammed by that van. did any of you watch??? when the van rolled up, ground troops were already closing in to secure the area. unmarked van, suicide bombers..... Well, that must have been the fastest ever suicide truck preparation. so there's no conceivable way that the truck could have been rigged in advance, and when troops come near, it detonates? Come on..... I think that the war is fucking retarded, as do most of the people here, but you have to be incredibly fucking stubborn to find anything wrong in the way the soldiers acted here. Take it in a vacuum—it's all by the books.
Dont try to justify their actions, because they were by the books and they were soldiers. Did you read what they were talking while shooting at the people? This is crazy, man. These soldiers are mentaly fucked up too much.
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On April 06 2010 05:17 ErOs_HalO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:12 reit wrote:On April 06 2010 05:09 ErOs_HalO wrote:On April 06 2010 05:05 reit wrote:On April 06 2010 04:53 starfries wrote:On April 06 2010 04:47 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:41 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ohmygod. -_- are you serious? first of all . "All americans should be ashamed of this shit" you're judging a large group of people because of the action of a few? Like saying all germans are nazi's. secondly, ITS A WAR. honestly if i were in uniform standing guard, and there was a person with a object THAT LOOKS LIKE A GUN i'd be scared shitless. They did what was expected of them. Of course it lead to unexpected deaths but if they hadnt and it had been enemies they would have been the ones who had died Cut the fucking "I am me, he is him" argument. You are an american (lets assume you are). that was an american army shooting fucking civilians. they represent your fucking country. they represent you. im gonna call you out, and say you are a piece of shit. You don't get to have your leaders kill innocents, and not a be part of the blame. Just like your fucking army generalizes terrorists and shoots them just in case, I'm gonna generalize americans, and say you did it and support it. If you want that to change, then go do something about it. except half the americans DIDN'T support it and in fact had no idea so many civilians would get killed. and the ones that did support it weren't thinking "man i hope a lot of civilians die" Was less than half, and many of those who did, did so based on emotions left over from 9/11. The real issue is that it wasn't anybody's decision, there was no declaration of war, it was issued from the president directly. That my friend is dictatorship. The fact that no one rose to revolt, that no soldiers refused to be part of it is what is scary. Again look at the Nazis, it's just like the SS soldiers working in camps. They didnt plan out the gas chambers, they obeyed. PEOPLE make up the army... No one from the elite is actually fighting or getting their loved ones in harm's way. That's what's scary. People obeyed without questionning. That's called being herded. Happens to sheep. There's countless people revolting, except they're not barbaric and blow up their own people with a bomb strapped to their back. People picket this shit every day. Picketing wont change shit. When was the last time you saw an American administration stepping down due to public pressure? Coups work better. Arm yourself, take over Washington. Keep the states as independent from central federal government as much as possible. Picketing ... rofl. I'm sure it makes those people feel good about themselves though Take over Washington? Yeah, that sounds like a great way to go to prison for the rest of my life. I can do a lot from there huh? Look, I do my part. I go to many countries and deliver medical supplies and help build hospitals. There's much more I can do to make this a better place. You're the most holier than thou person in this thread. You're the hypocrite. Maybe you should go blow yourself up, and take as many Americans as you can with you. I have no clue why you're not banned. Seriously.
Actually, the mods have been pretty hard on pseudo-moderating and people calling for bans have been receiving them for themselves so if I were you I'd keep my opinions on who should be banned and who shouldn't to myself. I haven't insulted anyone personally, I pretty much said that if I didn't find as much as I do to live for, I'd rather go in a meaningful way than just offing myself in a basement. I'm too much of a pussy to blow myself up, but I have a lot of respect for those who do. Believe me, if they had tanks and choppers, they wouldn't bother blowing themselves up in crowded market places. No one is actually "evil", hell, most terrorists don't even fight for ideology anymore, the bulk of their "troops" are people who've the west has wronged. People who's families, friends and lives have been ruined by the greed of the American government. They have every fucking right to be mad at US citizens, you guys are supposed to be free, to be a democracy, yet you let this massacre happen for SEVEN FUCKING YEARS.
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On April 06 2010 05:22 mdb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:18 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 05:15 mdb wrote:On April 06 2010 05:12 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 05:05 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:On April 06 2010 05:04 mdb wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:
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Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:
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Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter. Also why would they put a wounded man in a van filled with explosives if they were going to blow it up in the near future? On April 06 2010 05:04 mdb wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:
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??? Did you watch the video?
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Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:
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??? Did you watch the video?
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Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter. On April 06 2010 05:03 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:
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??? Did you watch the video?
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Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:
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??? Did you watch the video?
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Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know your chopper was in danger of being rammed by that van. did any of you watch??? when the van rolled up, ground troops were already closing in to secure the area. unmarked van, suicide bombers..... Well, that must have been the fastest ever suicide truck preparation. so there's no conceivable way that the truck could have been rigged in advance, and when troops come near, it detonates? Come on..... I think that the war is fucking retarded, as do most of the people here, but you have to be incredibly fucking stubborn to find anything wrong in the way the soldiers acted here. Take it in a vacuum—it's all by the books. Dont try to justify their actions, because they were by the books and they were soldiers. Did you read what they were talking while shooting at the people? This is crazy, man. These soldiers are mentaly fucked up too much.
if your job is to end lives, you can't be entirely normal.
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I kinda wonder why reit hasn't been banned yet with his talk of wanting to blow up innocent people.
Anyway, I think it would have been better if the chopper could have gotten closer for a better look to see if they actually had weapons ect, but from the video and how far away they were I can see how it would be understandable to assume those were AK's and perhaps an RPG.
I think it's really hard to judge them on their actions when none of us were actually there. It is really easy to nit pick over these videos that we have all the time and leisure to look at, but for them they only have a few seconds to look, decide what they are seeing and react.
I don't really blame the troops, even if they were a little overly happy to be slaughtering these people. It's war.
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On April 06 2010 05:19 starfries wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:17 reit wrote:On April 06 2010 05:14 starfries wrote:On April 06 2010 05:05 reit wrote:On April 06 2010 04:53 starfries wrote:On April 06 2010 04:47 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:41 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ohmygod. -_- are you serious? first of all . "All americans should be ashamed of this shit" you're judging a large group of people because of the action of a few? Like saying all germans are nazi's. secondly, ITS A WAR. honestly if i were in uniform standing guard, and there was a person with a object THAT LOOKS LIKE A GUN i'd be scared shitless. They did what was expected of them. Of course it lead to unexpected deaths but if they hadnt and it had been enemies they would have been the ones who had died Cut the fucking "I am me, he is him" argument. You are an american (lets assume you are). that was an american army shooting fucking civilians. they represent your fucking country. they represent you. im gonna call you out, and say you are a piece of shit. You don't get to have your leaders kill innocents, and not a be part of the blame. Just like your fucking army generalizes terrorists and shoots them just in case, I'm gonna generalize americans, and say you did it and support it. If you want that to change, then go do something about it. except half the americans DIDN'T support it and in fact had no idea so many civilians would get killed. and the ones that did support it weren't thinking "man i hope a lot of civilians die" Was less than half, and many of those who did, did so based on emotions left over from 9/11. The real issue is that it wasn't anybody's decision, there was no declaration of war, it was issued from the president directly. That my friend is dictatorship. The fact that no one rose to revolt, that no soldiers refused to be part of it is what is scary. Again look at the Nazis, it's just like the SS soldiers working in camps. They didnt plan out the gas chambers, they obeyed. PEOPLE make up the army... No one from the elite is actually fighting or getting their loved ones in harm's way. That's what's scary. People obeyed without questionning. That's called being herded. Happens to sheep. Except people did protest, and oh, look, we also have a different president now. That my friend is democracy. A different president with the same policy, controlled by the same powers. Nice change you got. because if we BLEW UP the old president instead, the president we would get would be SO MUCH BETTER.
It's not THE PRESIDENT.... Jesus wtff
Of course if you just kill the president they'll replace him with a different puppet .... Killing 1 person doesnt require a revolution, it requires the CIA (lol jfk joke).
It's the whole SYSTEM you have to take down. The families that control most of the world's wealth, banks and directly/indirectly policy in many countries, have been some of the most powerful families since the fucking middle ages... Don't you see this system is a modern monarchy (which is dictatorship)? Even better, 90% of the people don't know about it, so they couldnt revolt of send their monarchs to the guillotine. They use debt instead of chains and brute force and people think (and are educated to think) that they're free
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On April 06 2010 05:26 Eben wrote:
I kinda wonder why reit hasn't been banned yet with his talk of wanting to blow up innocent people.
Anyway, I think it would have been better if the chopper could have gotten closer for a better look to see if they actually had weapons ect, but from the video and how far away they were I can see how it would be understandable to assume those were AK's and perhaps an RPG.
I think it's really hard to judge them on their actions when none of us were actually there. It is really easy to nit pick over these videos that we have all the time and leisure to look at, but for them they only have a few seconds to look, decide what they are seeing and react.
I don't really blame the troops, even if they were a little overly happy to be slaughtering these people. It's war.
It's ridicolous how most Americans use that argument. Whatever happens it doesn't matter, "it's war anyway". I guess you could just nuke the whole goddamn country then, it's war!
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On April 06 2010 05:26 Eben wrote:
I kinda wonder why reit hasn't been banned yet with his talk of wanting to blow up innocent people.
Anyway, I think it would have been better if the chopper could have gotten closer for a better look to see if they actually had weapons ect, but from the video and how far away they were I can see how it would be understandable to assume those were AK's and perhaps an RPG.
I think it's really hard to judge them on their actions when none of us were actually there. It is really easy to nit pick over these videos that we have all the time and leisure to look at, but for them they only have a few seconds to look, decide what they are seeing and react.
I don't really blame the troops, even if they were a little overly happy to be slaughtering these people. It's war.
Mowing down the first group can be explained with bad observation and quick decisions, but firing on the truck was simply a murder and a war crime. Nothing justifies it at all, don't even try.
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On April 06 2010 05:19 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:12 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 05:05 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:On April 06 2010 05:04 mdb wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter. Also why would they put a wounded man in a van filled with explosives if they were going to blow it up in the near future? On April 06 2010 05:04 mdb wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter. On April 06 2010 05:03 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know your chopper was in danger of being rammed by that van. did any of you watch??? when the van rolled up, ground troops were already closing in to secure the area. unmarked van, suicide bombers..... You know what Hawk, you've been constantly harping on this "did you watch the video" point over and over again and I want to say, "Did you actually watch the fucking thing itself?". AT WHAT POINT did it actually look like those guys were going to actively be a danger to the chopper pre firing?
I dunno, maybe when troops spotted unIDed hostiles with possible weapons, including RPGs, with troops in the vacinity on the ground in an occupied zone in a war??
Listen, I know you're mr pro-asian and anti anything white American establishment after reading all your posts here and elsewhere, but use your brain a bit. If you think objectively, there's nothing wrong with the actions that were taken. Unfortunate, yes. But definitely not wrong.
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It's ridiculous how many people think war can be regulated and kept chivalrous, like a boxing match.
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I think you missed the point of my post.
"It's war" was simply meant to say that terrible things DO happen and always WILL happen during a war.
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On April 06 2010 05:29 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 05:19 KissBlade wrote:On April 06 2010 05:12 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 05:05 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:On April 06 2010 05:04 mdb wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:
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Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:
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??? Did you watch the video?
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Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter. Also why would they put a wounded man in a van filled with explosives if they were going to blow it up in the near future? On April 06 2010 05:04 mdb wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. I dont think there was any danger of that van smashing into the helicopter. On April 06 2010 05:03 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 05:01 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:58 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:51 Hawk wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? it's an unmarked van, not a medic or an ambulance. Big difference. Oh ok, so next time you're helping a fellow citizen of yours wounded on the street almost dieing, make sure you go paint your car white and red and put a blinking light on top of it. On April 06 2010 04:52 Jibba wrote:On April 06 2010 04:50 FortuneSyn wrote:On April 06 2010 04:45 Mystlord wrote:On April 06 2010 04:38 FortuneSyn wrote:
Wow what a piece of shit excuse for protocol to allow engagement. Fucking americans. First they engage on targets that you cannot identify whether they are armed with a rpg or a FUCKING CAMERA. Then they engage a fucking van that comes over to pick a wounded person up.
IF YOU SEE YOUR COUNTRYMEN DIEING ON THE STREET, WOULD YOU HELP HIM? DOES THAT CATEGORIZE YOU AS A FUCKING TERRORIST?
What a pathetic excuse for a country. All americans should be ashamed of this shit. ??? Did you watch the video? On April 06 2010 02:56 BlackJack wrote:I'm pretty sure those are weapons. In case it's not obvious, they are just as readily going to kill 4 guys with AKs as they are 2 guys with AKs and 2 guys with cameras. Quoting it again. Where's the excuse for americans shooting at the van that was helping the wounded? Because due to a hand full of Teaparty members withholding on paying taxes, the US government could not afford to fit all military personal with standard issue E1337 Clairvoyance Goggles. Oh right, so if in doubt, shoot? Great protocol for engagement these americans have. Yes, it makes perfect fucking sense when unmarked vans are often used to ram through barriers while carrying explosives. Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know your chopper was in danger of being rammed by that van. did any of you watch??? when the van rolled up, ground troops were already closing in to secure the area. unmarked van, suicide bombers..... You know what Hawk, you've been constantly harping on this "did you watch the video" point over and over again and I want to say, "Did you actually watch the fucking thing itself?". AT WHAT POINT did it actually look like those guys were going to actively be a danger to the chopper pre firing? I dunno, maybe when troops spotted unIDed hostiles with possible weapons, including RPGs, with troops in the vacinity on the ground in an occupied zone in a war?? Listen, I know you're mr pro-asian and anti anything white American establishment after reading all your posts here and elsewhere, but use your brain a bit. If you think objectively, there's nothing wrong with the actions that were taken. Unfortunate, yes. But definitely not wrong.
You know I'm not surprised you want to try to bring up topics from posts that isn't related to this topic or my point now that you're actually caught especially since I didn't even want to type how much of a pro-US bias you've had in your FAR more significant post count but I guess you realize you're caught and trying to shift the point now. Watch the video. And I urge everyone else who is in this thread to do the same instead of the two points where BlackJack simply highlights the backstraps. Aside from those two BRIEF millisecong glimpses where the angle makes the camera look slightly elongated due to the diagonal, at no point would anyone actually be able to mistaken the objects for weapons. I didn't even think about it until Hawk's comment made me want to rewatch the video again till I started realizing how nonsensical it appeared. So yeah ...
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On April 06 2010 04:55 Zoler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2010 04:44 Boblion wrote:
I find highly amuzing the people in this thread who are blaming the two journalists because one of their bodyguards ( ? ) might have one Ak-47 ( ? ). This is especiallly funny because they are the same people who have defended their right to own a weapon ( in the US ) because of potential threats.
I mean yea it is perfectly okay to have a weapon in the United States but in Iraq where kidnapping is common, militias and robbers everywhere people shouldn't be afraid to walk in the street unarmed.
Gotta love the hypocrisy. This is so true I laughed out loud lol
I hope you're both kidding. If either of you think the most likely case is that the guys with guns are bodyguards to the journalists then you might be more naive than a journalist that would pay someone to carry an AK-47 and follow him around in the middle of a war zone. Seriously there is absolutely nothing in the video that indicates they are bodyguards. They aren't even walking with the journalists. They aren't escorting them. The journalists probably get paid shit and don't have the money to hire bodyguards.
P.S. there is a difference between having a concealed handgun license and waving around a fully automatic machine gun in public.
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