I consider no mouse to be close to optimal. I think it's so they can keep coming out with a better mouse and people buy it. How fucking hard could it be to make a small mouse with a good shape and buttons at the right spot with a good sensor thrown in it.

I know some fps players prefer to palm the mouse but it's stupid. Using finger tip control is faster and honestly it give you more control so no reason to use palm grip.

First gaming mouse I had was a mx310 which served its purpose at the time. Next mouse was a copperhead and omg never get a copperhead. Got a g3 after that and was genuinely happy with it but has it's faults. After feet wore out I decided to get a g9.

For those who don't know g9 has "grips". The are shells you put on mouse that have a different shape. The control grip is designed for finger tip. Not only is it not small enough(like EVERY other mouse) the thing is not made for freaking human hands. How your pinky and index finger rest on it as feels very uncomfortable but also very poor control, it can slip a bit if you pick up mouse. Plus the material used on it is funky to touch it.

There is a secret option for g9 no grip. While not designed to be held without shell it's easily better shape then control grip. The sides are flat and vertical and thumb buttons are more difficult to press but the biggy is that it's pretty small for gaming mouse. Only adjustment on size needed is to take a lil bit off the end.

Then there's fat grip and well it's fat but actually a really fucking comfortable mouse with the greatest material ever on a mouse. I guess I don't need to tell you problems with a mouse being fat though. I used no grip for about half a year then fat grip for a month and I'm thinking of trying to go back to no grip.

What do you guys think of teflon feet? Would it make mouse too slippery. My g9 mouse feet have been fucked up since the beginning since 50% of the feet aren't touching mouse pad.

UdderChaos

United Kingdom707 Posts

March 29 2010 16:57 GMT

#46

I'll give you a mini review as i just recently bought a xai laser mouse (new steelseries one):

I just recently bought the Xai laser mouse. My old mouse was the intelli explorer 3, i bought it because loads of the fps forums said "this is the mouse to buy, all the pros use it!" but i found that because of my screen resolution(1650x1080), on everything except SC the mouse wasn't very good. Intelli only has like 400dpi so unless you play on 600x800 screens or a game like sc that runs at that reso/lower then all of these mice the pro use, including the mini optical, are useless for any modern game or reasonable resolution, that's what you should invest in a high dpi mouse if you want to play sc2.

LCD thingey on the bottom

The steelseries Xai for me is perfect, it lacks drivers, so no fail to load drivers or other driver problems, and you won't find the accuracy problems that software acting as a middle man brings. There is a small lcd on the underside of the mouse that you can change profiles/settings with, also there is software which will allow you to change everything too, but you hit save and it loads it onto the mouse. Also if you go to lans i guess it's pretty useful to have all the dpi settings ect hardwired, but i sure don't get use out of that function.

It's got 5000+ dpi, which is pretty sick, nice weight, not weighted too much in the centre or front or anything, pads on the bottom are not glue based so apparently you don't get dust (that's what it says on the website, haven't had it long enough to test that). It's got 2 side buttons on each side, so that's 4 extra buttons ontop of the standard two, which is cool, although as a right handed person this ambidexteric mouse makes it quite hard to press the buttons on the right hand side.

If you have massive hands i wouldn't recommend this mouse, it's smaller than the intelli explorer, about the same size of the salmosa. It's a smart mosue, nothing fancy like razer, quite simple looking, and from what i've read anyways steelseries are meant to last longer than razer, but tbh my bro's razer hasn't broken and he's had it at least a year now so. And lastly there is an on the fly dpi switch on the top, not sure i really need it, maybe if you are a cs pro (or think you are) you might need this. Mainly i use it to pick dpi for different games without having to go through the menu to change the dpi to compare it.

The price is a bit steep I'll say that but i think it was a good investment, definitely the best mouse I've bought

Hope this helps!

Fruscainte

4596 Posts

March 29 2010 16:58 GMT

#47

It's all about the Ball Mouse.

IndecisivePenguin

United States771 Posts

March 29 2010 16:59 GMT

#48

So it seems like certain mouses work better for fps than rts and vice-versa. Speaking strictly SC and SC2, which would be most optimal?

snotboogie

Australia3550 Posts

March 29 2010 17:12 GMT

#49

On March 29 2010 23:38 Day[9] wrote:
Although razer products are REALLY amazing, the diamondback causes carpal tunnel. I'd go with some of their newer models for the shape.

I'm pretty sure the Krait is killing my wrist too. Which newer models would you recommend?

MannerKiss

United States2398 Posts

March 29 2010 17:16 GMT

#50

My vote goes for razer lachesis, huge dpi is wonderful for larger resolutions

GinNtoniC

Sweden2945 Posts

March 29 2010 17:19 GMT

#51

Logitech G7, which is basically a wireless Logitech MX518

and I know how people feel about wireless mouses and latency, I'm really picky about that too.
Had it for about 2 years now, and I couldn't tell the difference in response between this and a wired mouse. It's awesome. Too bad they don't make em in europe anymore, if I ever break it..

cyberspace

Canada955 Posts

March 29 2010 17:31 GMT

#52

I used to use a Razer Copperhead, but I got a Steelseries Kinzu for free and have been using it ever since. It's a really simple mouse but it is amazing. It feels so comfortable and smooth, I would def recommend it ^^.

FaCE_1

Canada6158 Posts

March 29 2010 17:34 GMT

#53

Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer FTW

notsoeloquent

United States64 Posts

March 29 2010 17:49 GMT

#54

On March 29 2010 23:16 Puosu wrote:
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1265679
If someone here wants to get some information on why a mouse is good and what mouses fit those conditions, of course shape is up to preference so it is not included in the benchmark.

according to this site mx518 kills

and i completely agree with that statement

On March 29 2010 23:17 Iris7 wrote:
WARNING: the best mouses aren't even shown here!!!! if you're looking for a good sc1 or sc2 mouse.. use what the pros use... Logitech G1 and Razor Salmosa mini.. there are more that pros use.. but the idea is u want something insanely light and small enough you can use a claw grip

what a horrible post

first of all, you are wrong about "pros" using that. Second, 6 feet tall guy has much bigger hands compared to a 5.6 guy. Youre suggesting to use same mouse size with way bigger hands, thats just absurd

CagedMind

United States506 Posts

March 29 2010 18:01 GMT

#55

Well people in general are using a mouse too big for their hands. G1 could be a good size smaller for me.

DeathSpank

United States1029 Posts

March 29 2010 18:08 GMT

#56

I have big hands and small mice just piss me off to an infinite degree so I use a G3 and it is the asskicker.

DefMatrixUltra

Canada1992 Posts

March 29 2010 18:09 GMT

#57

The MouseScore results are heavily skewed towards FPS play. In RTS, everyone will be using high sensitivity because speed is more important than perfect accuracy by a lot. So even the worst mouse on that list wouldn't make any difference (it would never experience its malfunction speed or lose perfect control).

The only thing that's really important in RTS is the DPI setting of the mouse and the weight distribution of the mouse (meaning the way the weight is distributed across your grip). The proper DPI will depend on the resolution at which you play the game, and the weight distribution is important because you will be in constant motion with the mouse and don't want to lose your grip because of induced torque.

zgl

United States1055 Posts

March 29 2010 18:14 GMT

#58

Most modern gaming mice have perfect control speed way above what would be physically possible for even the fastest gamers. In terms of perfect control, just about any mouse is fine - Logic MX518, Razer Diamondback 3G, DeathAdder, Salmosa, Abyssus, SteelSeries Xai, etc...

Other parameters about the sensor you should consider are:
1. Does it have line correction / drift control? Many sensors have this, and it is annoying if you want the best control. SteelSeries Xai has the ability to disable this (they call it FreeMove) and some of Razer's latest mice such as Abyssus also disable this (good thing).

2. How high is the lift off distance (how much do you have to lift the mouse before it stops tracking)? Generally, lower lift-off distance is better. If you pick up the mouse a lot, it is annoying for the cursor to move inconsistantly as you pick up the mouse and set down the mouse. This distance depends on both mouse and mousepad, but the effect is usually multiplicative:
- suppose mouse x has 1mm lift off with pad a, and 2 mm lift off with pad b,
- suppose mouse y has 1.5mm lift off with pad a, then mouse y will have ~3mm lift off with pad b