EPTAlso, are you from the right? Apparently there's no question that totalitarian is right...
I'm not arguing that fascism is right. I'm saying that far left and far right are not that dissimilar.
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
Also, are you from the right? Apparently there's no question that totalitarian is right... I'm not arguing that fascism is right. I'm saying that far left and far right are not that dissimilar. | ||
Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On February 02 2010 01:43 fox[tail] wrote: All i wanted to say is that fascism should not be put together with the far-right. The word fascist is used to describe a lot of things that have nothing to do with it. Just because some of these right-wing movements since WW2 have described themselves as neo-nazis does not mean that they are all fascists, do these people have an economic plan... no. These people only follow the Darwinist theories that fascism promoted. You shouldn't generalize ideologies, thats all i'm saying. If you took that political roll call test in that other thread, look at where Hitler is on that graph, just slightly to the right of that left-right scale. Just because I play Starcraft, does not mean I play every rts, or that i play any other for that matter There's only one kind of fascism that we talk about. And that's the one on the wikipedia page. I'm curious how they got Hitler's results on that test hahaha... | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On February 02 2010 01:45 Mystlord wrote: There's only one kind of fascism that we talk about. And that's the one on the wikipedia page. I'm curious how they got Hitler's results on that test hahaha... The problem about talking about one kind of fascism is...that its hard to define fascism. Or which fascism is the true fascism. Plus a lot of people misunderstand fascism. Fascism is more like a euphemism nowdays. Generally for rightist people who leftists hate. | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On February 02 2010 01:44 Incognito wrote: Russian communism promotes equality, yes? I don't think you can say left = equality and right = hierarchy. That is just our current conception now because that is how present politics evolved. There is little practical difference between a system of forced equality and a system of forced inequality. Its still forced. Also, are you from the right? Apparently there's no question that totalitarian is right... I'm not arguing that fascism is right. I'm saying that far left and far right are not that dissimilar. Depends, Leninism or Stalinism? Left does = equality and right does = hierarchy. There's no "forced equality" about communism. There is a "forced inequality" from fascism. Yes, there is no question that totalitarian is right. I'm apparently super left by the way. Far left is different from far right. Communism is very different from fascism. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On February 02 2010 01:50 Mystlord wrote: Depends, Leninism or Stalinism? Left does = equality and right does = hierarchy. There's no "forced equality" about communism. There is a "forced inequality" from fascism. Yes, there is no question that totalitarian is right. I'm apparently super left by the way. Far left is different from far right. Communism is very different from fascism. Real communism is different from fascism. Unfortunately Russian communism, either Leninism or Stalinism, is not. Read my other comments. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On February 02 2010 01:50 Mystlord wrote: Depends, Leninism or Stalinism? Left does = equality and right does = hierarchy. There's no "forced equality" about communism. There is a "forced inequality" from fascism. Yes, there is no question that totalitarian is right. I'm apparently super left by the way. Far left is different from far right. Communism is very different from fascism. I'm not saying Communism and Fascism are the same, just that Fascism != far right | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On February 02 2010 01:46 Incognito wrote: You can define left as collectivist and right as individualist. You don't have to define it as left = equality and right = hierarchy. Not necessarily. Collectivist doesn't imply equality. And there's a difference between class and individualist. Think caste system. Fascism is the same in its goals. Their only difference is how to get there. | ||
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agorist
United States115 Posts
Both require force to maintain and preserve. When one lacks either social or economic freedom, the other that they possess becomes meaningless. Egalitarianism is bogus; the potential of all humans differs. The only feasible form of egalitarianism is a system in which no law benefits or punishes a particular class. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
EDIT: Or the Corporatists | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On February 02 2010 01:54 Mystlord wrote: Not necessarily. Collectivist doesn't imply equality. And there's a difference between class and individualist. Think caste system. Fascism is the same in its goals. Their only difference is how to get there. What?? You're using your definition as a standard to judge my alternative proposed definition? You can't really do that...Just look at left/right strictly in terms of individualist/collectivist. Then maybe add equality as another factor, not as the absolute standard. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On February 02 2010 01:58 fox[tail] wrote: Is this poll going to be changed? Fascism belongs with the centrists, or it needs its own place in that list EDIT: Or the Corporatists There's already a new one. Look under Political Roll Call Test | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On February 02 2010 02:01 Incognito wrote: There's already a new one. Look under Political Roll Call Test What new one? I was thinking about changing this one... | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
fuck the pooh leece! lols | ||
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ZooG
Sweden618 Posts
On January 29 2010 17:24 Liquid`Drone wrote: something inbetween socialist, social democrat and anarchist meaning that I want small disparity between rich and poor, a state that takes care of all basic needs, and the freedom to express myself and do whatever the hell I please as long as nobody else suffers from it.  this pretty much sums me up too! | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On February 02 2010 02:00 Incognito wrote: What?? You're using your definition as a standard to judge my alternative proposed definition? You can't really do that...Just look at left/right strictly in terms of individualist/collectivist. Then maybe add equality as another factor, not as the absolute standard. Oh. K. My brain wasn't working apparently. Unfortunately by that definition, fascism and nationalism would both fall under left. Caste system would be in the nowhere area, aristocracy would be in the nowhere area as well. Basically individualist only works if all right = capitalism, which isn't true. And I still don't see why left = egalitarian and right = hierarchy and social order don't work. | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On February 02 2010 03:38 Mystlord wrote: Oh. K. My brain wasn't working apparently. Unfortunately by that definition, fascism and nationalism would both fall under left. Caste system would be in the nowhere area, aristocracy would be in the nowhere area as well. Basically individualist only works if all right = capitalism, which isn't true. And I still don't see why left = egalitarian and right = hierarchy and social order don't work. left = equality right = hierarchy is not exactly true. From the rightist perspective, its leftist propaganda (or at least its criticism thats coming from the left). From the Republican point of view they aren't hierarchical. A lot of them believe in equality but think that the free market will do it better than the government. Others care about equality but care about individualism more. Republicans/Democrats want the same things pretty much except they go about different ways of doing them. I don't think that makes both parties leftist. I'd take both definitions of left/right into account (there may be more definitions too) and say that its a circle. (Although I don't really like using the left-right categorizations). You can't just look at one category to describe political policies. Fascism/Communism/Nationalism/Socialism at the top of the circle and everything else in between. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
On February 02 2010 03:40 cgrinker wrote: All you people who went on the internet to check that you were an anarchist: Lolz All you people who use the word anarchist on the internet without checking wikipedia: lolz | ||
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