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DBunny
Canada192 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 15 2009 23:11 RoyW wrote: I do feel it's a shame people seem to have an invasive issue with this, but what of you free-marketers out there? Surely if airports should implement it if it's in their interest and the free-market will produce an airliner that will cater for those who have a problem!! Except airport security in the US AFAIK is done on an airport-by-airport and not an airline-by-airline basis. Geographical limitations give airports an effective monopoly in a lot of places. Even if you don't like it, the fact that there's only one airport a reasonable distance from your home means that you're stuck with whatever the airport gives you. It's not a free market, because you have no accessible alternative. | ||
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RoyW
Ireland270 Posts
On October 16 2009 07:31 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Your mom like men looking at her tits? Look at that scanned picture and tell me I wouldn't know what your mom's tits look like after seeing the scan. But beyond the physical.. would she mind? More than a little? A lack of irrational fear of/general discomfort with nakedness = like men looking at tits. Welcome to patriarchal misogynistic viewpoints 101 kids. Personally, I can honestly say that no, my mother wouldn't mind, it's just her body and she would consider having a problem with it to be ridiculous. | ||
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RoyW
Ireland270 Posts
On October 16 2009 07:48 TheYango wrote: Except airport security in the US AFAIK is done on an airport-by-airport and not an airline-by-airline basis. Geographical limitations give airports an effective monopoly in a lot of places. Even if you don't like it, the fact that there's only one airport a reasonable distance from your home means that you're stuck with whatever the airport gives you. It's not a free market, because you have no accessible alternative. It was a joke/silly point I was making anyway, but to continue on in response.....the free market will magically create a new airport if there is incentive enough, no? | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On October 16 2009 08:04 RoyW wrote: A lack of irrational fear of/general discomfort with nakedness = like men looking at tits. Welcome to patriarchal misogynistic viewpoints 101 kids. Personally, I can honestly say that no, my mother wouldn't mind, it's just her body and she would consider having a problem with it to be ridiculous. Hey dude... you been baiting for this super philosophical debate about societal influences regarding how we view our naked body. Give it a rest. Nobody is biting. | ||
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RoyW
Ireland270 Posts
Without getting 'super philosophical', can't you see how this is a somewhat fallacious argument? | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27179 Posts
Give it a rest. Nobody is biting. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17743 Posts
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RoyW
Ireland270 Posts
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KwarK
United States44382 Posts
On October 16 2009 07:31 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Your mom like men looking at her tits? Your mom get off on being frisked by big hairy men? This is pretty irrelevant. We're talking about the same level of detail as a swimming costume, just giving a rough shape of the person. Frisking gives the frisker a rough idea of the shape of the person because they physically feel the person. Scanning gives them a rough idea of the shape of a person because they see them. It's the same end result, same level of invasiveness, one is simply faster. I'm assuming that the person checking the scanner will be the same gender as the scanned, as with frisking. I'm also assuming children will be exempt for obvious reasons. | ||
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Spike
United States1392 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On October 16 2009 08:32 Kwark wrote: Your mom get off on being frisked by big hairy men? This is pretty irrelevant. We're talking about the same level of detail as a swimming costume, just giving a rough shape of the person. Frisking gives the frisker a rough idea of the shape of the person because they physically feel the person. Scanning gives them a rough idea of the shape of a person because they see them. It's the same end result, same level of invasiveness, one is simply faster. I'm assuming that the person checking the scanner will be the same gender as the scanned, as with frisking. I'm also assuming children will be exempt for obvious reasons. ![[image loading]](http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1335269,00.jpg) You look like this when you wear a bathing suit? Probably not.. this is far more revealing (unless brit stereotypes are true and you guys still wear speedos etc). Additionally you think they will alternate man and woman at the scanner for every person that passes by? And what, children go through another line? Regardless people keep saying like "this is hardly invasive" .. have any of you even been around a woman? Think about it for like 3 seconds PLEASE. obv we as men don't care.. we'd go shirtless if they want. but women have a (typically) FAR smaller threshold for privacy intrusion when it comes to revealing their body. The fact you keep trying to explain how it "isn't that bad" almost fully substantiates my suspicion that you are unfamiliar with the female sex. PS: I am NOT trying to make it sound like I "know" women and I must be such a pimp or conversely you are a social loser I am simply making the point I made earlier where I cannot fathom how people would think this would ever fly in a female population at all | ||
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27179 Posts
On October 16 2009 08:37 Spike wrote: Should be proud Roy; it's not often you see a noninflammatory inquiry shot down by a mod. He is more than welcome to open his own thread about societal values and feelings of shame regarding nudity. He just isn't welcome to hijack this one. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
I'd put up with it if each airline hired their own private security check team, and implemented a cockpit defense policy. I could complain to the airline about sleazy behavior and get a positive response from the airline. The TSA will ignore complaints and revel in their ability to torment travelers. | ||
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Spike
United States1392 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On October 16 2009 08:47 Spike wrote: Meh, don't want to hijack but it seems to me his views are pretty relevant to this thread and what is currently being discussed. No. He was arguing framework and intent behind posts through philosophic analysis and assumption and making a side argument that my (and others) opinions are merely subject of sexist principles enforced by societal conditioning etc.. That is all "related" to this subject but when you make it the drive of your post you are getting away from "experimental scanners in airports" and more to "society makes us uncomfortable with out bodies." | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On October 16 2009 08:45 TanGeng wrote: US airport security is mandated by federal law and enforced by the TSA - who are sleaziest scumbags in the world. It's not just the people looking at other people pseudo naked. It's factoring in the sleaze of the people doing it. I'd put up with it if each airline hired their own private security check team, and implemented a cockpit defense policy. I could complain to the airline about sleazy behavior and get a positive response from the airline. The TSA will ignore complaints and revel in their ability to torment travelers. Dude you've used like 7 negative adjectives in the last 3 posts when discussing TSA.. you get fired from them or something? They aren't that bad.. I mean how can you generalize an organization that employs hundreds of thousands of people? | ||
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ItchReliever
2489 Posts
 edit: lol are you kidding me have you EVER been to an airport? i bet people who are just as qualified to make my mcflurries work there | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
1. hassling people waiting in line 2. confiscating water, toothpaste, and other fluids from passengers 3. watching a TSA official make a man miss his flight just to prove a point 4. TSA people stealing stuff (not even all that valuable) out of my checked luggage 5. general arrogance lack of respect for airline passengers 6. make passengers strip down just to go through checkpoints oh forgot 7. incompetence - failing to actually do their job (documented security breaches and failure of basic tests) | ||
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