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EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
September 28 2009 22:39 GMT
#121
There are plenty of entrepreneurs and other active minded people who have done well for themselves or other directly out of high school. Also there are plenty of other, possibly more efficient, secondary education alternatives like vocational schools that people take advantage of. Generalizing everyone that doesn't seamlessly continue from high school to college as unintelligent deadbeats is simply inaccurate, not to mention unpersuasive, unhelpful, and downright ungentlemanly.
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VorcePA
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1102 Posts
September 28 2009 22:40 GMT
#122
On September 29 2009 06:36 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2009 05:48 VorcePA wrote:
On September 29 2009 04:40 andrewlt wrote:
On September 29 2009 00:54 VorcePA wrote:
On September 29 2009 00:31 andrewlt wrote:
On September 28 2009 13:21 VorcePA wrote:
On September 28 2009 12:59 KOFgokuon wrote:
It's good to b e a student


My parents require me to be a full time student and a part time worker.

I'm unemployed and have 5 weeks to find a job, or they kick me out.

On September 28 2009 11:59 FragKrag wrote:
hm this hits pretty hard for me. I don't think it's fair to blame everything on Obama though.

D:


Yes, it really should. Rather than letting the free market correct itself, Obama has "stimulated" it by pouring salt on an open wound. The short term isn't as harsh, but in the long run the economy will take extra time to recover or it simply won't recover.

We are at the forefront of possibly a worse economic disaster than the depression of 1930's. The only things stopping America from, quite literally, being 3rd world OVERNIGHT is barrels of petroleum are traded in US Dollars and the fact that the Chinese government is holding on to $2 trillion ($2,000,000,000,000) in hopes that they make a return on that money in the future. If they released that money and barrels were traded in a currency other than USD, destitute African countries would have more wealth than this nation.

Obama, rather than reducing taxes to get more people working again (Reagan did it and the unemployment dropped from >11% to <5% nationwide), raised them. Rather than reducing the national debt., he has sought to increase it, and increased it from $8 trillion to a current of almost $12 trillion, and on top of that, has raised the minimum wage, both of which further lower the value of the dollar.

Did Bush help? He increased the national debt. with a stimulus package, so no. He did, however, try to repeal the law, approved by congress during the Clinton administration that forced banks to give loans to deadbeats who almost assuredly couldn't pay their mortgage, which led to the housing market crash of 2008/2009, but he was stopped by the [Democratic majority] congress.



Did you take economics classes in school? Lower taxes doesn't reduce the national debt. Compared to what it's been in the past, taxes in the U.S. are so low now that you can't stimulate the economy that much anymore by lowering taxes.

And respected economists are saying that the stimulus worked. Economics 101 teaches people that governments can help end recessions by increasing spending and slow down inflation during boom years by reducing spending. Of course, neither party has shown an ability to reduce spending during boom years.


I never said that lowering taxes reduces the national debt. Although, funny you should mention that, because, once again, I turn to my favorite President, and unfortunately never lived through his terms: Reagan.

Normally, I would say lower taxes so that unemployment goes down and the recession ends. Once that is out of the way, raise taxes to reduce and/or remove the national debt. However, Reagan lowered taxes by just the right amount that because there were so many extra people with jobs, the amount of revenue gained from all these people working actually increased the amount of money the government took in.

My uneducated self calls bullshit on the argument that lowering taxes wouldn't help stimulate the economy. But whatever. That's probably a smaller issue than throwing around hundreds of billions of dollars everywhere and hope that some of it gets spent productively trying to save companies that handle business poorly.




Reagan's theory is called supply side economics. His theory is that if you cut the tax rates of the richest people in the country, they'd spend more and the benefits would trickle down to the lower classes. The top bracket before Reagan took office was 70%. It's now 35%. To get to that marginal tax rate, you need at least $372,950 in income for fiscal year 2009. Further tax cuts have much smaller marginal utility than the ones Reagan did. Cutting taxes the same way Reagan did would decrease the top tax rate to 0%.

And the stimulus is working. No matter how much you criticize it, it's working. You're not going to see it on employment metrics because employment is what's called a lagging indicator in economics. Employment usually recovers once the recovery is already well under way.


That's only if we're in a state of recovery. The stimulus just puts off the inevitable, which is a crash. There's been a downturn, and there have been isolated crashes, such as the housing market crash here in Las Vegas. We were, just a few years ago, one of the top 3 fastest growing cities in the nation. I doubt that's true any more, but it's hard to find a statistic on it until the next census is taken.

That said, once there is no more money to throw around, or throwing money around no longer works, then the depression starts, and that's where we're headed -- recovery won't be for several, if not many years.



Where have you been the last few months? The economy is stabilizing. I'm in LA and the local economy in California is terrible but the country as a whole is starting to recover. Las Vegas is one of the hardest hit cities in the world and I think that's coloring your perspective to a large degree. Las Vegas' economy is almost all built on frivolous, discretionary spending and that's always the first to go in any recession. Sad to say, your local economy will probably be the last to recover.


I am well aware of the state of Las Vegas. I live, go to school, and attempt to find work here. That said, I was stating the country as a whole -- not just this city. Only time will tell who is right and who is wrong, but I believe the worst is yet to come.
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
September 28 2009 22:44 GMT
#123
On September 29 2009 07:31 orgolove wrote:
I'm personally glad that the ****** idiots that do not go to college out of high school have a hard time finding a job, just as they should be.

Failures at life


There have been many idiotic posts in this thread. But I think yours may be the worst. Do you realize how unfeasible it is for every person in the world to get a college education before entering the workforce? I mean the majority of jobs out there you don't need 4 years of college schooling to adequately perform.

If every individual got a college education then it's not like the need for blue collar jobs would magically dissapear, while generally, higher paying, white-collar jobs sprouted out of nowhere. Do you want to be the guy who has student loans to repay but works the cash register at a grocery store because your degree is nothing special? You should be glad you have the opportunity to get a college education and not look down upon those who don't have that same option. You would most likely be better suited doing a blue collar job anyway, seeing as you seem to be pretty stupid.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
September 28 2009 23:07 GMT
#124
College educations used to mean something because they were rare. Now a bachelor's degree is the equivalent of the old high school completion degree comparatively, and people are forced to hyper-specialize with a masters or PhD in their field to reap the rewards of rarity.

Quite sad how 'education for all' just turned into 'everyone gets to waste 4 years getting drunk'.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
JinKazama23
Profile Joined August 2005
United States234 Posts
September 28 2009 23:38 GMT
#125
This is America's employers policy fault.

They would rather employ someone experienced.

You apply for job - they tell you, you need experience.
You try to get experience - they tell you, they're looking for someone more experienced.

Great academic, and scholastic achievements mean shit in these days. You go to school to waste your parents money, because now days it's not education and 4.0 GPA that's hot on the market, but useful skills and abilities that you acquire through EXPERIENCE.

Obama's administration has been in charge for a too short period of time to have anything to do with that. Watch TV less, think more.
Come along and take a hit from the bong.
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
September 29 2009 01:00 GMT
#126
In the US, there really is no excuse at all for not going to college. Whether a prestigious private university or a community college, the system is set such that if you look for it, you will get it. Don't sell me the bullshit about expensive and unaffordable tuition. It just means a difference between $20,000 debt when leaving college versus $30,000, which is still a pittance compared to what you gain from a college education.
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3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
September 29 2009 02:49 GMT
#127
On September 29 2009 10:00 orgolove wrote:
In the US, there really is no excuse at all for not going to college. Whether a prestigious private university or a community college, the system is set such that if you look for it, you will get it. Don't sell me the bullshit about expensive and unaffordable tuition. It just means a difference between $20,000 debt when leaving college versus $30,000, which is still a pittance compared to what you gain from a college education.

You're missing the point; our economy has not developed to the extent that we can do away with all jobs which require menial labor. Things have been trending this way for hundreds of years (as can be seen with the rise of the middle class) and perhaps some day we will get to the point where virtually all labor-intensive work is automated- but we aren't there yet. Say the US economy can only support 25% of the labor force to work in white-collar occupations and 40% are qualified. You'll have an enormous population of the underemployed. The argument can be made for education for it's own sake, but one is perfectly capable of using other resources at their disposal aside from formal education to broaden their knowledge of the world. Degrees are useful in obtaining higher employment and impressing pompous asshats like yourself. They don't make you a better, or even necessarily smarter, person.
Monstah-_-
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
249 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-29 02:58:26
September 29 2009 02:55 GMT
#128
On September 28 2009 14:16 mOnion wrote:
this is false, there's no way.

the highest US unemployment ever got to was 25%, and that was the shitter. the idea that we're in a 50% unemployment rate is just ludicrous.

false stats out the ass


How bout you read the article and figure out that they are talking about "the youth."

On September 29 2009 07:44 Jonoman92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2009 07:31 orgolove wrote:
I'm personally glad that the ****** idiots that do not go to college out of high school have a hard time finding a job, just as they should be.

Failures at life


There have been many idiotic posts in this thread. But I think yours may be the worst. Do you realize how unfeasible it is for every person in the world to get a college education before entering the workforce? I mean the majority of jobs out there you don't need 4 years of college schooling to adequately perform.

If every individual got a college education then it's not like the need for blue collar jobs would magically dissapear, while generally, higher paying, white-collar jobs sprouted out of nowhere. Do you want to be the guy who has student loans to repay but works the cash register at a grocery store because your degree is nothing special? You should be glad you have the opportunity to get a college education and not look down upon those who don't have that same option. You would most likely be better suited doing a blue collar job anyway, seeing as you seem to be pretty stupid.


Word. Just listening to him makes me think he really is the retarded scum of humanity.
you live in the woods and drink vodka
FastEddieV
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States614 Posts
September 29 2009 03:07 GMT
#129
On September 28 2009 12:33 lilsusie wrote:
Thus why I don't want to go back to the States


Well yeah, but you're hanging out with progamers and going to allyoucaneat steakhouses so of course there's no motivation to come back to the US, recession or no.

I'm technically employed as a substitute teacher but I'd really like to have steady work. It's very difficult here in suburbia to find anything :/
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EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22256 Posts
September 29 2009 03:42 GMT
#130
On September 29 2009 04:44 psion0011 wrote:
I just want to mention that a liberal arts bachelors degree graduate working at mcdonald's isn't underemployment at all


Serious debate aside (which I'm enjoying), this comment was LOL.
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OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
September 29 2009 03:43 GMT
#131
This article is complete BS, it's basically fear mongering. It's what the media does to sell newspaper or get views on TV.
Any 16-18 that's not a student and doesn't have a job probably doesn't deserve a job. In a time of recession, who is going to hire a high-school drop out? I'll bet 100% of all 16 and 17 year olds that aren't students are unemployed. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but if you know there's a recession and you drop out of high school, you are an idiot.
As for people 18-24, in a time of recession, I think people have to go to a college or at least go somewhere where they can have an apprenticeship. You have to do something to increase your chances of getting hired. Learning a trade is just as good as, or even better than getting a degree. There is still demand for plumbers, carpenters etc.
I still believe that if you're not lazy and not an idiot, you can get a job. It might just be enough to support you, but you can at least have income.
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
September 29 2009 05:32 GMT
#132
On September 29 2009 12:43 OreoBoi wrote:
This article is complete BS, it's basically fear mongering. It's what the media does to sell newspaper or get views on TV.
Any 16-18 that's not a student and doesn't have a job probably doesn't deserve a job. In a time of recession, who is going to hire a high-school drop out? I'll bet 100% of all 16 and 17 year olds that aren't students are unemployed. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but if you know there's a recession and you drop out of high school, you are an idiot.
As for people 18-24, in a time of recession, I think people have to go to a college or at least go somewhere where they can have an apprenticeship. You have to do something to increase your chances of getting hired. Learning a trade is just as good as, or even better than getting a degree. There is still demand for plumbers, carpenters etc.
I still believe that if you're not lazy and not an idiot, you can get a job. It might just be enough to support you, but you can at least have income.



Exactly. Some people in this thread refuse to acknowledge that the unemployment rate mentioned here only concerned "young americans." In this state of economy, do you really expect a high school dropout or a high school graduate without a firm plan for the future to have the tiniest chance of getting a job?

If you are one of the 52% of American youth that are a) not a student and b) do not have a job or an apprenticeship, then I repeat what I said before:

On September 29 2009 07:31 orgolove wrote:

Failures at life


You don't deserve to live.


The US has not deteriorated so much that it's impossible to find a way to survive if you truly wish to support yourself, to live a life worth living.
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
September 29 2009 09:36 GMT
#133
On September 29 2009 14:32 orgolove wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2009 12:43 OreoBoi wrote:
This article is complete BS, it's basically fear mongering. It's what the media does to sell newspaper or get views on TV.
Any 16-18 that's not a student and doesn't have a job probably doesn't deserve a job. In a time of recession, who is going to hire a high-school drop out? I'll bet 100% of all 16 and 17 year olds that aren't students are unemployed. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but if you know there's a recession and you drop out of high school, you are an idiot.
As for people 18-24, in a time of recession, I think people have to go to a college or at least go somewhere where they can have an apprenticeship. You have to do something to increase your chances of getting hired. Learning a trade is just as good as, or even better than getting a degree. There is still demand for plumbers, carpenters etc.
I still believe that if you're not lazy and not an idiot, you can get a job. It might just be enough to support you, but you can at least have income.



Exactly. Some people in this thread refuse to acknowledge that the unemployment rate mentioned here only concerned "young americans." In this state of economy, do you really expect a high school dropout or a high school graduate without a firm plan for the future to have the tiniest chance of getting a job?

If you are one of the 52% of American youth that are a) not a student and b) do not have a job or an apprenticeship, then I repeat what I said before:

Show nested quote +
On September 29 2009 07:31 orgolove wrote:

Failures at life


You don't deserve to live.


The US has not deteriorated so much that it's impossible to find a way to survive if you truly wish to support yourself, to live a life worth living.


you are a cunt.

i've not been so immature as to get angered by a tl.net forum post in a long time. i want to rant a scream at you for being who you are, but that would accomplish little, and i would act the child.

i just can't believe that people as ignorant as you actually exist. you've sincerely blown me away. like, i want to interview you to find out how you got to be the way you are. i'm not even trolling. you have me completely astounded.
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Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
September 29 2009 13:51 GMT
#134
On September 29 2009 18:36 Mora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2009 14:32 orgolove wrote:
On September 29 2009 12:43 OreoBoi wrote:
This article is complete BS, it's basically fear mongering. It's what the media does to sell newspaper or get views on TV.
Any 16-18 that's not a student and doesn't have a job probably doesn't deserve a job. In a time of recession, who is going to hire a high-school drop out? I'll bet 100% of all 16 and 17 year olds that aren't students are unemployed. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but if you know there's a recession and you drop out of high school, you are an idiot.
As for people 18-24, in a time of recession, I think people have to go to a college or at least go somewhere where they can have an apprenticeship. You have to do something to increase your chances of getting hired. Learning a trade is just as good as, or even better than getting a degree. There is still demand for plumbers, carpenters etc.
I still believe that if you're not lazy and not an idiot, you can get a job. It might just be enough to support you, but you can at least have income.




Exactly. Some people in this thread refuse to acknowledge that the unemployment rate mentioned here only concerned "young americans." In this state of economy, do you really expect a high school dropout or a high school graduate without a firm plan for the future to have the tiniest chance of getting a job?

If you are one of the 52% of American youth that are a) not a student and b) do not have a job or an apprenticeship, then I repeat what I said before:

On September 29 2009 07:31 orgolove wrote:

Failures at life


You don't deserve to live.


The US has not deteriorated so much that it's impossible to find a way to survive if you truly wish to support yourself, to live a life worth living.


you are a cunt.

i've not been so immature as to get angered by a tl.net forum post in a long time. i want to rant a scream at you for being who you are, but that would accomplish little, and i would act the child.

i just can't believe that people as ignorant as you actually exist. you've sincerely blown me away. like, i want to interview you to find out how you got to be the way you are. i'm not even trolling. you have me completely astounded.

Or he's trolling really hard and having a laugh at rageposts :p
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
September 29 2009 14:15 GMT
#135
The land of opportunity, the American dream!
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10798 Posts
September 29 2009 14:15 GMT
#136
Sometimes i think Aregaen is back... Then i notice that there are others with corresponding views and i get a little frightened.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
September 29 2009 16:07 GMT
#137
Agreed with More and Velr.
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Alizee-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States845 Posts
September 29 2009 16:12 GMT
#138
I'm glad like 10% of the people actually commenting are American. Just remember, we go in the shitter, everyone else goes in the shitter.
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Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
September 29 2009 18:57 GMT
#139
On September 29 2009 22:51 Sadistx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2009 18:36 Mora wrote:
On September 29 2009 14:32 orgolove wrote:
On September 29 2009 12:43 OreoBoi wrote:
This article is complete BS, it's basically fear mongering. It's what the media does to sell newspaper or get views on TV.
Any 16-18 that's not a student and doesn't have a job probably doesn't deserve a job. In a time of recession, who is going to hire a high-school drop out? I'll bet 100% of all 16 and 17 year olds that aren't students are unemployed. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but if you know there's a recession and you drop out of high school, you are an idiot.
As for people 18-24, in a time of recession, I think people have to go to a college or at least go somewhere where they can have an apprenticeship. You have to do something to increase your chances of getting hired. Learning a trade is just as good as, or even better than getting a degree. There is still demand for plumbers, carpenters etc.
I still believe that if you're not lazy and not an idiot, you can get a job. It might just be enough to support you, but you can at least have income.




Exactly. Some people in this thread refuse to acknowledge that the unemployment rate mentioned here only concerned "young americans." In this state of economy, do you really expect a high school dropout or a high school graduate without a firm plan for the future to have the tiniest chance of getting a job?

If you are one of the 52% of American youth that are a) not a student and b) do not have a job or an apprenticeship, then I repeat what I said before:

On September 29 2009 07:31 orgolove wrote:

Failures at life


You don't deserve to live.


The US has not deteriorated so much that it's impossible to find a way to survive if you truly wish to support yourself, to live a life worth living.


you are a cunt.

i've not been so immature as to get angered by a tl.net forum post in a long time. i want to rant a scream at you for being who you are, but that would accomplish little, and i would act the child.

i just can't believe that people as ignorant as you actually exist. you've sincerely blown me away. like, i want to interview you to find out how you got to be the way you are. i'm not even trolling. you have me completely astounded.

Or he's trolling really hard and having a laugh at rageposts :p


i hope that that's the case t.t
Happiness only real when shared.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
September 29 2009 19:21 GMT
#140
On September 30 2009 01:12 Alizee- wrote:
I'm glad like 10% of the people actually commenting are American. Just remember, we go in the shitter, everyone else goes in the shitter.

rofl, that's where Americans that think like you are just terribly wrong. Of course at the beginning it'll all be a mess because America is generally in the centre of all consumption in the world at the moment, but if America goes down, some place or places else will take the vacant spot.

Many countries have already been expanding their markets to places other than America for years now preparing for the scenario.
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