EPTSamurai Sword kills Thief - Page 14
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
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icclown
Denmark270 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On September 16 2009 14:57 SnK-Arcbound wrote: Something almost everyone is ignoring is one fact, your time on earth, or your life has more than just some intangible value, you spend it working, and in return receive money. Your money, is a physical representation of your life. If you worked for something, and it was always taken from you, they are taking away your life. You have a right to defend your property, because you are trading your life for money, and that money for property. And no this isn't a logical fallacy of the excluded middle. Lololol seriously. The problem is that the American society is ridiculously violent.  Elsewhere the average thief won't try to kill you. Guess why ? Because he knows that nobody will try to cut his head or shot him so he steals and leave. | ||
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Brett
Australia3823 Posts
On September 16 2009 17:55 orgolove wrote: few) idiots Lets look at the situation. The kid was robbed just a few days ago, and this caused you to take extra precautions. -AND- The area was known for its violent crime infestation he opens the door to the stairs, the commotion he hears becomes banging, screams and scuffling. Even someone with the most relaxed psyche in the world will be under extreme psychological duress in those kinds of situations. "How did he get in?" "Is he going to kill me?" Under such psychological pressure, he opened the door. The first thing he saw was the big guy (as he must be, if he was strong enough to PRY open a closed garage door), definitely dangerous and possibly armed This undergraduate was a university student, and a damn good one at that if he goes to Johns Hopkins. He has a bright future ahead of him. If he was crippled or befallen with some long term chronic illness because ....it was clearly a great loss to himself, his future potential, and the society as a whole. Tell me now. Just what did the student do wrong here? Answer: He went into the room with a fucking weapon. People against his actions aren't necessarily idiots. Have a bloody think... | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Having lived in a slummy ghetto like parts of Baltimore, Maryland at one point in my life, I have to say that many of you are over-optimistic about how much calling the police will do. Just exactly how often do you think burglary cases are solved and closed? How many cases just end up being another unsolved statistic? Perhaps living in that specific area gives a better understanding of what kind of low-lifes there are in the States. So I like to ask someone like Naz, say calling the authority is really a moot action and like the student in the OP, you have been a victim of theft previously. Exactly how many times would you simply lock your door, call the police, and just hope the criminal gets caught this time around so you won't be victimized again? Frankly, I see confrontation as necessary at some point. In my opinion, the student did no wrong. | ||
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LeXz
46 Posts
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Brett
Australia3823 Posts
On September 16 2009 19:20 LeXz wrote: To those idiots that think this kid action was wrong, i hope you run into the similiar situation or worse and have the thief/robber tie you up, rape you, rape your...... and then you look back to see what would you have done to prevent that from happen to you and your family. That's a quality post, buddy. Job well done. | ||
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gameguard
Korea (South)2132 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On September 16 2009 19:14 NeoIllusions wrote: "Sanctity of life" makes me chuckle. Not everyone's life is equal or worth the same. That being said, I hope the student does get acquitted for self-defense. Having lived in a slummy ghetto like parts of Baltimore, Maryland at one point in my life, I have to say that many of you are over-optimistic about how much calling the police will do. Just exactly how often do you think burglary cases are solved and closed? How many cases just end up being another unsolved statistic? Perhaps living in that specific area gives a better understanding of what kind of low-lifes there are in the States. So I like to ask someone like Naz, say calling the authority is really a moot action and like the student in the OP, you have been a victim of theft previously. Exactly how many times would you simply lock your door, call the police, and just hope the criminal gets caught this time around so you won't be victimized again? Frankly, I see confrontation as necessary at some point. In my opinion, the student did no wrong. Even worse is the article clearly states that this has been happening to multiple residents in the area repeatedly. So I don't see where "calling the cops and hoping you get your shit back" is any help. Obviously the thieves keep stealing because they can get away with it. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
No fucking way you can say anything to the student. If the student didn't kill him, the burglar would probly have killed the student. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
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hefty
Denmark555 Posts
On September 16 2009 10:06 Megalisk wrote: Some asshole comes in to your house and tries to rob your stuff, if he saw you he wouldn't hesitate at all to hurt you, so it had to be done, and judging by his record, he should've been taken out of society a long time ago. I'm gonna get a sword when I get a house, here in Texas I don't have to worry about owning a burglar on my property :D. There's no way murder (atempted or not) is a necessary response to burglery. Not even if the burglar leaps at you. And there's no way the assumption "he would have done the same to you" makes this ethically right. I don't hope your attitude is shared by the majority of Americans, but judging by the American stereotype as it's portrayed here in Europe, i'm afraid it is. That's one point where our cultural difference is enormous. I'm sorry if this has been sufficiently debated throughout the thread. I don't bother reading the whole thing, since most of the responses just piss me off. | ||
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wurm
Philippines2296 Posts
On September 16 2009 19:20 LeXz wrote: To those idiots that think this kid action was wrong, i hope you run into the similiar situation or worse and have the thief/robber tie you up, rape you, rape your...... and then you look back to see what would you have done to prevent that from happen to you and your family. I like this post. Needs more attention. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Matoo-
Canada1397 Posts
On September 16 2009 20:54 Ace wrote: When you live in Baltimore where burglars will kill you then you have to defend yourself. The kid didn't even intend to kill him so you're point is moot on both accounts. This isn't an ethics discussion on morals about murder - it's about survival. The student obviously felt it was an "either he goes or I go situation" and did what anyone with basic survival instincts would have done. Going downstairs with a sword to openly confront a thief who might very well have a gun doesn't sound very good for survival. Locking yourself up in your room, then yelling that the cops are coming, and then keeping the sword ready to slash in case the guy tries to break into the room, is a much better option imo. Note that I'm only speaking about survival here - not about preventing your stuff from being stolen. If you want to keep your stuff you have to act like the student did, that's why I don't criticize the student in any way. If it happens to me I'll chose the second option though because there's nothing in my apartment that I can't repay in one month anyway. | ||
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
Indeed, i honestly think its okay to kill intruders. They should atleast be fucking smart enough to know that they might get killed while trespassing and stealing. I myself would do the same thing if i was in the same situation, pressing charges against this dude would be super-stupid. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On September 16 2009 21:20 Matoo- wrote: Going downstairs with a sword to openly confront a thief who might very well have a gun doesn't sound very good for survival. Locking yourself up in your room, then yelling that the cops are coming, and then keeping the sword ready to slash in case the guy tries to break into the room, is a much better option imo. Note that I'm only speaking about survival here - not about preventing your stuff from being stolen, if you want to keep your stuff you have to act like the student did. Well remember he lives in a house with roommates. He went to investigate the noise - not 100% sure it's a thief. Hence, it's better to go down there with some kind of weapon than nothing at all. | ||
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Sprite
United States1015 Posts
For the people soloing out Americans on self-defense, your logic is pity for someone breaking into your home to potentially harm you and your family. You can't just calculate "oh he would not hurt or kill me!" regardless if you tried to stop him or not.You can't solo out if a person on your home is just going to take stuff. Bottom line someone attacks you, fight back or die. Survival instincts take over in these situations. In this case the guy made sure no one at his residence would be harmed with a single slash. I commend him for it. | ||
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Matoo-
Canada1397 Posts
On September 16 2009 21:24 Ace wrote: Well remember he lives in a house with roommates. He went to investigate the noise - not 100% sure it's a thief. Hence, it's better to go down there with some kind of weapon than nothing at all. Yeah, I also think that's what happened. I actually did the same a few times, was just lucky enough that it weren't hostile people but just some friend/family/whatever. | ||
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