|
On September 16 2009 15:03 BlackJack wrote:
And for clarification purposes of this thread, none of you know if the robber actually attacked the kid and the kid was defending himself. None of us know. You are innocent until proven guilty so people shouldn't condemn the kid like he executed the criminal. But you also shouldn't state it as fact that the robber charged the kid and he defended himself because as I said, none of us know and of course he is going to tell the police he charged at him whether he did or not.
Imagine the kid heard some noise and this bum was trying to sleep in his house and he started psycho cutting off limbs while he was sleeping.
|
On September 16 2009 15:00 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
sad
I think you mean true.
If you were a 50 year old man, and you had everything taken away from you. Money, family, property, they didn't take away your long years or work?
|
imho as long as he only swung once and did not stab the guy on the ground multiple times he should go free.
|
On September 16 2009 15:09 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
If you were a 50 year old man, and you had everything taken away from you. Money, family, property, they didn't take away your long years or work?
You keep your life-earnings under your pillow in your movable van where you sleep next to your wife and kids?
On September 16 2009 15:11 Shurax wrote:
imho as long as he only swung once and did not stab the guy on the ground multiple times he should go free.
What *if* he entered through the only exit and blocked it so the guy couldn't leave the property. Guy storms not to attack but to pass through and run and he cuts him down. There are a million possible scenarios that do not excuse cutting a man down.
|
On September 16 2009 15:12 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 15:09 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On September 16 2009 15:00 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
sad
I think you mean true. If you were a 50 year old man, and you had everything taken away from you. Money, family, property, they didn't take away your long years or work? You keep your life-earnings under your pillow in your movable van where you sleep next to your wife and kids?
They stole it from your bank account.
And you are also trying to avoid answering the question by point out possible inaccuracies.
If I took everything you own, or have possession of, and threw your bum ass out on the street naked, did I take away your life?
|
People, you have to careful about what you say. At most, you'll probably be losing 20,000, which is about the price of your car. Your life savings should be in the bank so you should be alright. And I'm pretty sure you won't have the chance to beat anyone up if they stole money from the bank.
|
A little known fact about the United States. I forgot the name but there is a law passed in which has a term that is defined like this. If someone comes on your property and you have a slight fear of your life you are allowed to defend yourself by all means, including killing them. I'm too lazy to look up the phrase, but all he has to say in court is "I was afraid for my life, blank blank blank phrase" Not guilty.
P.S if someone comes on my property in a threatening manner I'm blowing 33 holes in them. Empty clip. If you go on someone elses land, you are asking for it.
|
On September 16 2009 15:14 Game wrote:
A little known fact about the United States. I forgot the name but there is a law passed in which has a term that is defined like this. If someone comes on your property and you have a slight fear of your life you are allowed to defend yourself by all means, including killing them. I'm too lazy to look up the phrase, but all he has to say in court is "I was afraid for my life, blank blank blank phrase" Not guilty.
yea, I was always under the impression that in situations such as
1) Someone is on your property, you tell them to get off and you'll shoot if they don't and they don't and you have an unbiased witness who saw you give the conditions
and
2) Someone is on your property with clear hostile intention
then you can kill the guy.
|
On September 16 2009 15:13 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
They stole it from your bank account.
And you are also trying to avoid answering the question by point out possible inaccuracies.
If I took everything you own, or have possession of, and threw your bum ass out on the street naked, did I take away your life?
Stealing from your bank account doesn't exactly go hand in hand with the endangerment of your family. It's just an all out ridiculous thing to discuss because it is simply impossible. So you will never 'take' everything I own or possess. And in the purely impossible hypothetical situation where you merely ask me this to prove you being right; no because I will still have my friends, my mind and sanity, my life experiences, my achievements and my skills.
|
|
|
On September 16 2009 15:14 Game wrote:
A little known fact about the United States. I forgot the name but there is a law passed in which has a term that is defined like this. If someone comes on your property and you have a slight fear of your life you are allowed to defend yourself by all means, including killing them. I'm too lazy to look up the phrase, but all he has to say in court is "I was afraid for my life, blank blank blank phrase" Not guilty.
P.S if someone comes on my property in a threatening manner I'm blowing 33 holes in them. Empty clip. If you go on someone elses land, you are asking for it.
'castle' is the term you are thinking of
|
On September 16 2009 14:47 armed_ wrote:
God, I know the first thing I do whenever I suspect there's an intruder in my house is to do a statistical analysis to determine how likely the intruder is to be armed and the degree of danger they pose to me, make an inventory of all the objects I have access to, and order then in a list based on their appropriateness in the average situation.
fucking A dude hehehe
|
On September 16 2009 15:19 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 15:14 Game wrote:
A little known fact about the United States. I forgot the name but there is a law passed in which has a term that is defined like this. If someone comes on your property and you have a slight fear of your life you are allowed to defend yourself by all means, including killing them. I'm too lazy to look up the phrase, but all he has to say in court is "I was afraid for my life, blank blank blank phrase" Not guilty.
P.S if someone comes on my property in a threatening manner I'm blowing 33 holes in them. Empty clip. If you go on someone elses land, you are asking for it. 'castle' is the term you are thinking of
As long as the burglar charged, which the investigation will reveal, there is no way the resident can be held responsible by the Castle Doctrine.
On September 16 2009 15:24 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2009 14:47 armed_ wrote:
God, I know the first thing I do whenever I suspect there's an intruder in my house is to do a statistical analysis to determine how likely the intruder is to be armed and the degree of danger they pose to me, make an inventory of all the objects I have access to, and order then in a list based on their appropriateness in the average situation. fucking A dude hehehe
People are thinking ideally, not realistically.
|
it's pointless to think ideally
ideally there shouldn't be an intruder IN DA HOUSE
cept maybe Ali G
|
On September 16 2009 15:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Stealing from your bank account doesn't exactly go hand in hand with the endangerment of your family. It's just an all out ridiculous thing to discuss because it is simply impossible. So you will never 'take' everything I own or possess. And in the purely impossible hypothetical situation where you merely ask me this to prove you being right; no because I will still have my friends, my mind and sanity, my life experiences, my achievements and my skills.
You try breaking the rules, by claiming I didn't take [i]everything[i] from you, even though I clearly stated I did. It is irrelevant if it is impossible, because it is equally impossible to determine if someone wants to just rob you, kill you, or maybe a little of a twofer. Because the answer is obvious. Instead of answering the question, you try to avoid truth, because it is unpleasant for you. That people can take away your life piece by piece, instead of in one whole, and get away with it. They can take it hour by hour, and when you die, you would have nothing to show for yourself.
But I'll break it down to sesame street level for you. You work 12 hours at 8 dollars an hour cash for washing dishes. you don't go deposit in a bank, or hide is in your anus, you keep it in your non-password protected wallet which is in your non-password protected pocket and can be stolen. You get robbed on your way home. What did you lose?
Are you going to claim you still have 12 hours worth of dish washing experience? Maybe some imaginary friends you made up to make yourself happy, or your worthless sanity?
|
Guys, in all fairness -- Aladdin was a good guy
|
Did you really go from a post about money equaling life, to losing your mind and friends in a robbery?
|
United States13896 Posts
Could you possibly be any more condescending Arcbound? Get a grip man.
|
On September 16 2009 15:35 p4NDemik wrote:
Could you possibly be any more condescending Arcbound? Get a grip man.
On September 16 2009 15:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Did you really go from a post about money equaling life, to losing your mind and friends in a robbery?
Did you both serious not answer the question (again).
If I take the money that you earned in a work day, did I take away those 12(eight, whatever) hours of your life or not?
|
It seems like the mindset of this kid was a result of the mindset of America, with our Second Amendment and all. However, I don't think it was the incorrect mindset because most people that do home invasions have done many before those and it's incredibly likely that they will have stolen a firearm from a home. I'm pretty sure that's the most common way illegal guns or whatever get into the system because so many people buy them and they are stolen out of their dressers or something.
That being said, I do not agree with pursuing a burglar with a weapon, especially not a deadly weapon. I have a night stick under my bed, but am I really going to go after some guy in my house with it? I'd probably just call 9-1-1, kick the screen out and split, not like I have anything worth stealing anyway. If someone actually lunged at me and I had my night stick on me or a kitchen knife, yeah I'd probably use it, so it's hard to blame the kid for using the sword when he got jumped. But like we say in aviation: (this quote is butchered) "good pilots can execute the crazy cross-wind landings, but the best pilots make the correct decisions to avoid the situation all -together". I don't think that's a very unreasonable parallel, because it's good that he didn't freeze and used the weapon to defend himself instead letting himself get disarmed, however he should not have gotten himself into that predicament in the first place, regardless of whether his home was being invaded.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
