I just want to get a distribution of the mouse speed as a data-driven basis for my other thread.
So here's what you do:
Go to -> this website <- and click on the page 5 times as fast as you can (like you would in starcraft spamming gateways/factories/adjacent hatches).
The website will tell you your time average for the "rebound rate" of your mouse for those 5 clicks. Practice a few times and report your lowest in a post, and vote in the poll below.
Poll: What was your best average? (Vote): <20 (Vote): 20-40 (Vote): 40-60 (Vote): 60-80 (Vote): 80-100 (Vote): 100-120 (Vote): 120+
Update:
Now that I have some data, let's talk about conclusions. Certain commands, such as 1a2a3a4a, or click-macro, or 1 right click 2 right click 3 right click, etc... are bottle-necked by this mouse-response time. Therefore it is readily apparent that those on the <20 side of the bell curve that is starting to show up will have a MUCH greater advantage than those on the >120+ side. (though at least half the people > 120 based on the posts in this thread are trolling.)
For reference, with the script I wrote in my other thread. the number are: 4 16 2 15 10 Average: 9.4
Thus I can safely say that the program does not significantly improve over the best unassisted mouse currently out there.
Edit: So there seems to be a lot of confusion. The test is really quite simple. It takes a time snapshot of when your mouse goes down, then takes another time snapshot when your mouse goes up and it subtracts the difference and outputs it in milliseconds. Because of this, there are many ways of cheating the program... but what's the point? For example, releasing the mouse off screen will totally screw up results... as will refreshing, rightclicking while left button held down, etc... The random 0s is an expected phenomenon. If you got a negative number... Please practice clicking correctly. (not dragging, not refreshing, not pulling off page... just nice stable clicks.) If after that you still have problems, please pm me, and I will try to reproduce it and fix.
I'm treating it as a contest so that we can see the minimum increment where your average bottoms out. And @Roffles, if by "they" you mean me... the code is open... I stole bits and pieces of the internet, but it's only like 15 lines total.
How it works: grabs time of your mousedown, grabs time of your mouseup. Subtracts them, that's your "rebound delay." Then average 5 of those.
On September 04 2009 15:05 404.Delirium wrote: Pro-tip. Hold down the mouse button a little bit on each one =p
I was 120+.
ROFL, you're supposed to get a really low score. The idea is to have your button stay clicked as little as possible when you're trying to "click" something not select it. So 120+ is bad. Under 50 is good i guess.
On September 04 2009 15:01 Wilko wrote: i got 26.2 But i often showes NaN, why is that so?
I think that's because you're doing your first click too soon after refreshing, but I could be wrong.
I got about 40 with the Diamondback 3G.
Problem is really one of aim. By saying "click anywhere on the page" you're likely to turn a click into a drag, or stray your mouse off the page which I don't bother to check for. Instead, I just added an image to target, and deflect selection problems
Also, a phenomenon I'm noticing is that, with my mouse, if I click repeatedly, rebound rate decreases. (number goes up) This seems obvious, but when I look at my mouse carefully when I'm doing it, I notice that my buttons aren't stable, so they vibrate for a few hundredths of a second after I let go, and any subsequent click doesn't get registered.
On September 04 2009 15:11 Wilko wrote: I clicked on that mouse like a moron I should have first read the instruction It's about rebound and not "how fast can u click" XD
Is my best time so far. First time average under 20.
Diamondback 3g.
Edit:
After doing it a few more times I have gotten a few 8s and many more 15s/16s but it's difficult to consistently get an average under 20. My score feels more limited by me than my hardware.
hahaha, yes nobody reads instructions, but that's ok. Because of the repeat phenomena slowing down rebound time (button oscillation) focusing solely on click rebound and not clicking speed is counter-intuitive to measuring in-game rebound performance of a mouse.
On September 04 2009 15:27 oxidized wrote: What the hell? My Diamondback 3g averages at 60-70. How can yours possibly be that much better? Did you change any of the settings?
Are your buttons sticky? Is it brand new? Are you using staccato-like movements?
On September 04 2009 15:27 oxidized wrote: What the hell? My Diamondback 3g averages at 60-70. How can yours possibly be that much better? Did you change any of the settings?
Are your buttons sticky? Is it brand new? Are you using staccato-like movements?
To me, my buttons feel really springy and good. My mouse is about a year old. My movements are not that sticky.
Okay, I tried it again trying to be as staccato as possible, but I could only get it down to 30. I would have trouble playing like that in game though (maybe I just suck).
To get the best results, tap your mouse button and get your finger off it as soon as possible after every click. Tap fast but very weak, just enough for it to count. Doing this pretty much everyone should be able to get under 30, I have very rigid buttons and I was able to get 25-20 average. 60-70 average if I do normal clicks.
yeaaaaaah this thread should be renamed 'how fast are you at clicking' since first the fastest average after practice was like 30, then i learned how to get it to 20, now i can really improve it down to average of 8 by holding my hand up above my mouse and tapping it from a few inches above the mouse with a very swift motion
I am greatly upset by the fact that my laptops build in mouse buttons put faster times than my actual mouse. 40-60 both ways but low 40's with built in one and high 50's with actual mouse.
What... I cant get lower than 120 (Logitech G1)? Is there something I'm missing here? I'm not particularly fast at clicking but how do some of you manage to click like 3 times faster than me -_-
On September 04 2009 16:12 Heen wrote: What... I cant get lower than 120 (Logitech G1)? Is there something I'm missing here? I'm not particularly fast at clicking but how do some of you manage to click like 3 times faster than me -_-
Point is to "let go" of click as fast as possible. Not click fast. Just do light taps on the button, time between clicks is irrelevant.
i fluked a 1 once but i almost ALWAYS get either 16 or 24 on each click it's pretty weird so i guess my best average is when i get 5 16s in a row sometimes. diamondback~ does it mean anything if you are always getting the same 2 number each click?
with some more testing it seems my clicks are always a multiple of 7.8ish, but it rounds the number to the nearest whole number... i wonder if this means my rebound rate is 7.8"!~! my normal clicking k; i think im just fucking up my mouse the more i do this or something; the multiple is now exactly 8 even if i make longer slower clicks e.g. 136 88 128 64 72 Average: 97.6
measuring such a thing with javascript is, hmmm not really effecitve. this script is using a Date() object to measure time, the accuracy of this class will change with your browser or OS. On a Windows OS the timer accuracy (if WM_TIMER is used) is about 15ms. I don't know how accurate the detection of MouseUp and MouseDown in JS is, but i think you can add a couple of ms too for this.
ok with further testing, its only multiples of 8 for numbers over 15 and anything under is simply multiples of 1. left and right click are both the same; but i am better at breaking below 16 with right click~_~
(also tried same mouse different computer and it's just the same, it's also the same with the razer driver in or not; it doesnt matter... just the mouse=o)
ok last round of tests from me; i found that if i click sloppily at weird angles or skim my finger across the button i get numbers that are not multiples of 8 and i also get 0's and 1's that way, especially if i mash both left and right click sloppily. clicking straight = multiples of 8 always (for me at least)
diamondback. (software/drivers/computer/usb port/browser all make no difference to my mouse)
update/conclusion: i got my sister to do it with her crappy mouse, and she was getting like 100+ then i told her how to do it and she was getting 40 fairly easily every time. then i had a go on her crappy mouse (on her pc) and got the same scores i was getting with my diamondback (14s,15s,16s and 32s) [just putting the 0s and 1s down as a bug/fluke because ive never seen a 2-6 yet]
so im not entirely convinced this test is anything other than testing different clicking techniques; but i guess some mice are going to be really bad at it regardless and some might potentially be a lot better at it. not that there is going to be any noticable difference if you are clicking for 2ms, 14ms or 50ms imo. my tests conclude that mouse/pc/software etc all doesnt seem to matter, but clicking technique changes the results a lot...
< 20, salmosa, but could also do that with my LMO. Has basically nothing to do with your mouse, but with how fast you can release the mouse button. I only got that fast by hitting the the button with a finger straight from the top, hand off the mouse. Normal clicking got me averages arond 50-60.
I don't think there are any mice nowadays that take more than 10 milliseconds to notice that the button has been released.
EDIT: lol, now I hold the mouse like normal, do very light tapping: 4 8 8 0 5 Average: 5
15.7 with an MS Intellimouse Explorer (1.0) (registered some Zeros) under 30 with MS Intellimouse Explorer (1.0) (without any Zeros) 28 with Razer Deathadder
The MSIE1 seems consistently faster at this, though not terribly. It's also 8 years old this month
i have a very old razer krait, without any razer drivers installed. averaging 35-40 ms consciously trying to get lower times, around 65 just clicking normally.
Hmm, clicked wrong poll choise got the hold of that clicky thing. Usually around 10. Microsoft habu mouse (razer tech mouse incase someone didn't know).
Averaging around 75 but I am a slow clicker. I remember that UMS game fast click or whatever I never won unless it was a win through unit choice (ghost vs. marine).
After taking a few warm up rounds (where I was getting an average around 100 since my finger would twitch) I'm getting this score a bunch of times so I guess this is my average.
60 60 52 52 69 Average: 58.6
Using some mouse made by hp that came with this cheap keyboard I bought.
I can get the speed to ~22.8 if I sort of strike the click button, but if I'm clicking like I normally would be in-game, then it's around 80. By the way, what's more annoying than mouse rebound rates is key rebound rates, and the inability of SC to register more than one key at once.
All you have to do is to keep the mouse with one hand and with a finger from other hand make clicks. I got 25 this way, while with one hand my best was 61
If the 'normal' mechanical clicking you would do in SC ends up being around 60, does it even matter if your mouse can rebound faster than that? Wouldn't you need to improve your mechanics before anything else came into play?
On September 04 2009 16:58 bladebrood wrote: am i the only one getting exact multiples of 8 regardless of how long i hold it? T_T 408 224 344 384 384 Average: 348.8
Look at the other posts. Yes
On September 05 2009 01:00 QibingZero wrote: If the 'normal' mechanical clicking you would do in SC ends up being around 60, does it even matter if your mouse can rebound faster than that? Wouldn't you need to improve your mechanics before anything else came into play?
Well... I'm more checking hardware potential, but more practically, you are correct.
15 24 24 16 15 Average: 18.8 Logitech Mx 518. But its not the mouse that is slow its me, got some single 1 or 0 but rarely. For starcraftlike clicking: 64 72 54 47 47 Average: 56.8
What? Where do the zeros come from. Does it just round down if it's less than .5?
This is the usual at aim+fire speed in FPS: 15 16 15 15 16 Average: 15.4
Both of these using a Deathadder. This is a very useful little experiment. The release is much slower the faster you are trying to click in succession. I figure since the finger speed is much faster, not only do you strike with more force, but you also have to overcome more momentum to lift the finger back off the button. I could make it go as high as about 70 with extremely fast clicking.
Great idea. This gives some insight into being a designer for the reaction mechanism. You can make the spring super-fast by making it a really tough spring, but then it makes it difficult to initiate the click. What a tough problem.
If you wait long enough the numbers start to decrease lol. Like I wanted to see how high I could get, and on the first click I got like 130, then waiting 4 seconds I got a 29. >.>
On September 05 2009 02:45 Antifate wrote: If you wait long enough the numbers start to decrease lol. Like I wanted to see how high I could get, and on the first click I got like 130, then waiting 4 seconds I got a 29. >.>
On September 05 2009 02:45 Antifate wrote: If you wait long enough the numbers start to decrease lol. Like I wanted to see how high I could get, and on the first click I got like 130, then waiting 4 seconds I got a 29. >.>
Seems pretty random/untrustworthy. :-P
hold down left click... let go...
LOL! I didn't think that's what he meant, but now rereading his post, makes perfect sense. xD
On September 05 2009 02:45 Antifate wrote: If you wait long enough the numbers start to decrease lol. Like I wanted to see how high I could get, and on the first click I got like 130, then waiting 4 seconds I got a 29. >.>
Seems pretty random/untrustworthy. :-P
hold down left click... let go...
LOL! I didn't think that's what he meant, but now rereading his post, makes perfect sense. xD
Thank God that "Most Embarrassing" thread isn't around.
Sorry, I didn't understand how it was measured. >.>
I can average around a 4 if I click in a stupid way, but get around 40 if I click as I do normally. Wouldn't this have more to do with human error than the mouse itself? Or maybe I don't understand the problem very well..
This is reminding me of this one flash clicking game where you click as many times as you want for 10 sec and then break a watermelon or something. I can't find it though
With a basic wired optical Logitech mouse (not mini):
Normal clicking: 80-ish Hard staccato clicking: 45-ish (I voted 40-60) Very light clicking: 8
I find it tricky to get the light clicking to both always register _and_ not double-click. If I could, I guess it would be a superior way to click.
Edit: Now I'm having a lot more success consistently doing light clicks. But I still can't do them in combination with other actions (like repeated click+m in rax macro style).
On September 05 2009 03:22 KCrazy wrote: I can average around a 4 if I click in a stupid way, but get around 40 if I click as I do normally. Wouldn't this have more to do with human error than the mouse itself? Or maybe I don't understand the problem very well..
If you can click in that stupid way repeatedly. (which I don't think you can...) My mouse click tops out no matter how "stupidly I click" but is even slower when executed repeatedly, because the buttons are rather "loose" and have a time when they're vibrating after the click.
Could you put up the same thing for keyup/keydown events as well? I'm interested to see if there are keyboard differences. I made the change locally and the best I can get is low 40's (white MacBook keyboard; in OS X right now although I boot Windows to play SC).
This is just a test of how soft you can click. I got down to an average of 5.8 with my with my razer Salmosa, but when I plugged in my old Microsoft optical I could still get it down to 14.
On September 05 2009 03:59 foxbearcheetah wrote: the program measures how fast your mouse button resets. i found that if i lightly tapped my mouse button i could get single digit times.
Meaning... you have a nice mouse If I lightly tap my mouse I can get 40-60.
On September 05 2009 04:01 NeoOmega wrote: This is just a test of how soft you can click. I got down to an average of 5.8 with my with my razer Salmosa, but when I plugged in my old Microsoft optical I could still get it down to 14.
Old microsoft opticals still have decent click rebounds. THe way my mouse button is designed bottoms it out at like 40.
spam clicking with my hand position as some "claw" variation: generally 55-60 average with sometimes going sub 50 and sometimes going > 60
with my hand in the air and index finger poking the LMB though: I was able to get a 16 average
mouse is a MS Intellimouse Optical
edit: above times were done through Google Chrome. Just tried spam clicking with my hand in a "claw" position and Firefox gives noticeably better times producing results of a 30 to 40 average. Internet Explorer gives similar times as Chrome but has some kind of lag with the numerical output.
I've gotten about 20-40... Rebound.. not how fast, lmao. LAME!
EDIT: WHO LOVES CHEATING? On laptops, set it so tap trackpad = click. You can consistently get 12/13, though it probably varies on computer/trackpad. Those of you with keyboard or mouse drivers, program stuff to double click, ezpz.
EDIT2: I think I have perfected it! What I did is I set the scroll wheel to triple click (highest I have available, if you can do quintuple click, then good for you, but you still can't beat me, just tie =P RESULTS OF CHEATING:
EDIT3: I've gotten ~30 or so legitimately. Razer Diamondback 3G.
On September 05 2009 04:03 wok wrote: Old microsoft opticals still have decent click rebounds. THe way my mouse button is designed bottoms it out at like 40.
Looks like it... I honestly got sub-20 just using normal clicks (though I know I'm a light-clicker to begin with) on this old mouse. Nice to know it's got good click rebound, even if has horrible control :p
I thought this is how fast our mouse move, to me, clicking is relatively less important that the movement of cursor because I can always make it up with the keyboard.
On September 05 2009 04:21 white_box921 wrote: I thought this is how fast our mouse move, to me, clicking is relatively less important that the movement of cursor because I can always make it up with the keyboard.
Excellent point, but I'm just testing one variable at a time. This is one of the easier to quantify/test.
So I use some shitty 10 year old logitech. Under 20 is easy.
19 10 10 20 19 Average: 15.6
19 10 20 10 19 Average: 15.6
18 20 10 10 19 Average: 15.4
So yeah I guess the rebound is about 10ish at best although i even got few 0s and 1s. Are these milliseconds or what?
So I made a conclusion: If you keep your index finger "stiff" and swing it with some force you get the best and most consistent results even with some speed. Now I understand why pros use awful lot of force when clicking...
80 70 59 89 79 Average: 75.4 PS - I get numbers from 9 to a 100 :/ My mouse is a "Lexma" mouse (i swear Iv never heard of the company before, this mouse was gifted).
Sometimes when I click slower I get an average of 43 ish. Why is that?
On September 05 2009 06:27 Clasic wrote: Wok asking how fast my mouse is so he can steal it like the hacker he is and use it to make starcraft even faster.
Clicking like I normally do I score in the 40s, but if I purposely try to depress the button for as short a time as possible I can get it into the 20s easily or sometimes the teens. I use an 8 year old HP mouse.
On September 05 2009 06:27 Clasic wrote: Wok asking how fast my mouse is so he can steal it like the hacker he is and use it to make starcraft even faster.
Ya, this test seems very poor. When I did it the first time, I clicked in a style that got me 50-60, then when I read some of the later posts about what it is testing I got 14 constantly by changing the style a little...
Don't know how I managed that but I went with "60-80" on the poll for obvious reasons.
I'm not particularly serious about the whole playing thing, so my mouse is just a Targus optical mini I use with my laptop.
EDIT: After a little more screwing around, I've found you can seriously mess with the results. For instance, reload + click while it's loading = bunches of 0s and 1s. Clicking slowly is giving lower results on average than trying to click quickly. About the only useful thing I found out though is that apparently some parts of the mouse buttons get faster reactions than others. Assuming I can trust even that conclusion.
On September 05 2009 22:38 Ho0ps wrote: 48 80 72 40 40 Average: 56
With Razer Diamondback 3g
83.3 with exact same mouse edit: no idea what the difference is. And whether you want low or high edit: much lower 50.4 if i click with the tip of the mouse
I got a average of 20.4 with a logitech g9 by barely tapping the mouse button. It seems that your physical clicking speed is producing the results not your mouse.
I averaged something like 85. Best was 63 or so, using a Logitech Optical. Seems about right, though the test doesn't really emulate the way I click when I'm gaming, and to really support your argument I'd say you'd almost want to gauge how fast an average player can 1a2a3a--though the input problems are just another mechanic good players deal with.
Tap the mouse, don't push it. Basically I push my finger down until it just about hits the button the let it relax so when my finger hits the button, it's pushed back up by the "recoil" of the mouse button's spring. In fact, it's a good method for double-clicking. If you let your finger weigh down a little longer on the button you double click in an instant. For those of you >40, the double click would actually happen faster than that.
On September 07 2009 02:05 vaderseven wrote: I tried this of 4 different mice and got 4 different results.
To those that say this is a person to person thing and not a mouse to mouse thing I suggest you try a couple mice and see if your results differ.
I think it's a little of both. The decent mice most likely respond faster (lower input delay) taking hardware more out of the equation. Not-so-good mice probably have some sort of delay due to inferior hardware or whatnot.
Tried 3 different mice Generic microsoft mouse: 16 16 16 16 16
10 year old mouse with misc drinks poured on/in it: 95 168 127 174 135
Shitty 10 dollar dell mouse: 7 7 7 7 -9 (Wut?)
I'm now using the dell mouse instead of the microsoft one, never realised how much better the clicking felt on it. (it's easyer to get 7's with it than 16's with the microsoft one) Have something like this for keyboards?
On September 07 2009 02:51 idktrap wrote: Tried 3 different mice Generic microsoft mouse: 16 16 16 16 16
10 year old mouse with misc drinks poured on/in it: 95 168 127 174 135
Shitty 10 dollar dell mouse: 7 7 7 7 -9 (Wut?)
I'm now using the dell mouse instead of the microsoft one, never realised how much better the clicking felt on it. (it's easyer to get 7's with it than 16's with the microsoft one) Have something like this for keyboards?
That's interesting. I use a G5 and also have an MX510 and a $10 cheap mouse. Now if I weren't so lazy...
Doing normal left click as fast as i can i get around 80 Doing normal right click as fast as i can i get around 10 Lightly tapping i get down to about 10
On September 07 2009 04:01 decafchicken wrote: Doing normal left click as fast as i can i get around 80 Doing normal right click as fast as i can i get around 10 Lightly tapping i get down to about 10
Similar to what I'm seeing - clicking normally I average ~80-90, but tapping I can get down to 20.8.
There's no way I can do the tapping in an actual game though, so this "click as briefly as you can" thing might not be so useful...
On September 07 2009 04:01 decafchicken wrote: Doing normal left click as fast as i can i get around 80 Doing normal right click as fast as i can i get around 10 Lightly tapping i get down to about 10
Similar to what I'm seeing - clicking normally I average ~80-90, but tapping I can get down to 20.8.
There's no way I can do the tapping in an actual game though, so this "click as briefly as you can" thing might not be so useful...
I tap click with everything I do from browsing to gaming. It takes some practice, but it becomes natural after a bit. I've been doing it since Ultima Online where looting was a matter of who clicked faster.
But yeah, if you spend less time pushing down on the button, you get to spend more time actually clicking the button. That is, if you didn't see the practical use of it.
when i saw the title of this thread, i thought of how fast my mouse is, not how fast i handle it. for instance, my mouse is a logicool g5, which has 2000 dpi (reports per second). that is how fast my mouse really is.
This was a cool idea. My averages and approximate standard deviations:
Logitech G5: clicking "naturally": 100 +/- 20 trying to click fast: 82 +/- 10 doing a weird vibration click that I would never do in real life: 17 (repeatably)
Depending on how I click(My hand position) the result varies. I get like around 50 when I'm holding it in my normal way, but if I really try to get a low score I get around 20 somewhere - while my lowest was propably around 15. Using a Razer Diamondback.
EPT
What browser? Was able to reproduce. I'm going to make a "click me" button.
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