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Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
July 02 2009 03:44 GMT
#461
Rip is only better than BG at defense, and everything else I think BG is >>>>>>>>>>>> Rip.
wtf was that signature
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
July 02 2009 03:47 GMT
#462
Shot selection.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
July 02 2009 03:53 GMT
#463
On July 02 2009 12:44 Servolisk wrote:
Rip is only better than BG at defense, and everything else I think BG is >>>>>>>>>>>> Rip.


Defense is half of basketball...
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bdams19
Profile Joined January 2005
United States1316 Posts
July 02 2009 03:59 GMT
#464
dont let them know that its real basketball and not fantasy land
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
July 02 2009 04:16 GMT
#465
so who's staying and who's going (apart from sheed))??
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20175 Posts
July 02 2009 04:30 GMT
#466
bleh not too excited over ben gordon. doesnt really seem like a piston to me (sloppy and lacking defense)
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
bdams19
Profile Joined January 2005
United States1316 Posts
July 02 2009 04:37 GMT
#467
They are looking at Avery Johnson or Collins for head coach... which makes no sense since they are defensive minded coaches who play slowball.

BG and CV? How the hell are you going to get a half court offense and lock down dfense team built around that? They are both offensive juggernauts who can flat out score.
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
July 02 2009 04:57 GMT
#468
Glad to hear that the Clippers found a way to unload Z-Bo, but disappointed to hear that Ariza may be leaving the Lakers. If this could have been avoided by Kobe re-signing for less money, then I'll be very disappointed that he didn't do so.
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HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
July 02 2009 05:12 GMT
#469
I think Pistons fans really fell in love with the 2000 Badboys not only for their winning ways, but because of their identity and attitude.

They reminded us in ways of the 80s/90s Badboys. They were tough, hardnosed players who were unwanted on other teams but found a home and thrived with us. There was no 30 point threat, but players who understood their role and were able to play off each other with no ego. At their best, they were a well-oiled machine, a real team that played like they knew each other for years. And they had that great "let's go to work" attitude.

That was the Piston identity. That was DEEETROIIIIIT BAAAASKETBAAAAALLL. We weren't Flashy Kobe and the Lakers. We weren't one superstar and some other pieces. We weren't the always-favored Spurs. We weren't the Seven Seconds or Less. We weren't going to hang 100 on you, but we'll keep you under 80.

And yeah, eventually they'd get old. And yeah, they underachieved in the playoffs three straight years. And yeah, it would be harder and harder to compete with LeBron and Dwight and all the new cats. But back in their heads, I think most Detroit fans accepted that. They wanted to watch this core until its end.

The idea was that as the core got old, one by one we'd replace them with a Stuckey, a Maxiell, an Amir, under the nurturing of the vets and the coaching staff.

We all hoped that the players would change, but the identity, that Detroit Pistons team color, would remain the same.

And Ben Gordon? I know Ben Gordon. Ben Gordon is not a Badboy2000 kind of player.

Charlie V? I know Charlie V. Yeah he can step into the Sheed role, but he's no Sheed.


Above all, lots of fans are worried about losing that identity.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
July 02 2009 05:13 GMT
#470
Wow Ariza...
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tenbagger
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1289 Posts
July 02 2009 05:13 GMT
#471
I just saw a "gunnin for that #1 spot" on hulu:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/79440/gunnin-for-that-1-spot

was a pretty entertaining watch. I know honesttea will like it since it combines two of his favorites in one; Kevin Love and Rucker Park.
tenbagger
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1289 Posts
July 02 2009 05:16 GMT
#472
Dumars has made some terrible moves and the gordon/villanueva move will usher in an era in detroit of first round playoff exits. championship teams are not built around gordon and villanueva at the 2 and 4 respectively.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
July 02 2009 05:19 GMT
#473
Chris Wallace is the biggest fucking idiot GM on the face of this planet. The man needs to be fired like ASAP.

Why on earth would you want Zach Randolph? Idiot
God Bless
HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-02 05:24:33
July 02 2009 05:23 GMT
#474
On July 02 2009 14:13 tenbagger wrote:
I just saw a "gunnin for that #1 spot" on hulu:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/79440/gunnin-for-that-1-spot

was a pretty entertaining watch. I know honesttea will like it since it combines two of his favorites in one; Kevin Love and Rucker Park.



Except loading it through VPN = mad buffering =(

Maybe I'll just look for it in the dark alleys of the internet.

I've actually been to the real Rucker, that was fun. Kevin wasn't there though when I went =(

And yeah, 55 million for 5 years of Ben Gordon = 5 years of mediocrity
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HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
July 02 2009 05:46 GMT
#475
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-42-2/The-Genius-of-the-Allen-Iverson-Trade--Gone.html
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tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
July 02 2009 06:19 GMT
#476
duncan sheed jefferson random sg parker and ginobili off the bench

sheed garnett pierce allen rondo

shaq sheed lebron west williams

one of these three teams is going to win next year
tenbagger
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1289 Posts
July 02 2009 06:42 GMT
#477
On July 02 2009 14:19 Roffles wrote:
Chris Wallace is the biggest fucking idiot GM on the face of this planet. The man needs to be fired like ASAP.

Why on earth would you want Zach Randolph? Idiot


I generally agree with you. However, this is an interesting move and it may not be as bad as it seems.

Grizz clearly had a need @ PF and since no premier FAs want to go to memphis anyway, the loss of cap space on Randolph is a minor opportunity cost since they got him basically for nothing.

Randolph is well regarded as a poor team player and an even poorer defender. There is no denying his offensive abilities though. He has always been an amazing scorer with a combo of size and touch that has rarely been seen. And if there were ever a situation where randolph's defensive liabilities are minimized, it is with a premier defensive center that excels @ weakside help. Lot of people have questioned Thabeet but I believe that he will mature into that type of premier defender. Considering that Thabeet has zero offensive game and you need at least one post up option to have a balanced offense, they have the potential to be the perfect combination where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

Again, this is a huge question mark here and it is still probable that the grizz will still suck big time. But, if somehow this team can gel and play together well, there is some potential here. I actually like this trade for the grizz since they were going to suck anyway, might as well take a shot on a talented player that fills a weakness and hope that everyone can mesh.
HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
July 02 2009 07:04 GMT
#478
I just don't like how Z-Bo is going to fuck up OJ, Gay, and Thabeet.

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tenbagger
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1289 Posts
July 02 2009 07:33 GMT
#479
On July 02 2009 16:04 HonestTea wrote:
I just don't like how Z-Bo is going to fuck up OJ, Gay, and Thabeet.



he can't really fuck up thabeet since thabeet is gonna take years to develop any semblance of an offensive game.

and while he may fuck up OJ and Gay's games a bit, it's not like he can make it any worse than they were last year. On the other hand, if somehow the coach can find a way to make this team work together and gel, randolph will provide a post scoring option that they need badly.
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
July 02 2009 07:45 GMT
#480
In OJ, Gay and now Z-Bo, the Grizzlies have three me-first guys who all think they should be the first option on offense. It'll be interesting to see how that works out. Maybe they'll all try to buddy up with Conley to get him to pass them the ball more
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