It's about preserving the mapper's original artistic vision of a map, even at the expense of playability, because osu should be about fun, not about getting the best score ever..... despite you know, tailoring a bunch of stuff towards competitiveness..... As far as I understand things anyway. Part of the reason I sent that PM was to hopefully get a no bullshit answer of exactly why he wants that, and what his plans in the long run are.

Chaosu

Poland404 Posts

August 28 2012 01:05 GMT

#3362

i'm very causal osu player and there's one thing that's bugging me. i tried my skills in map making, for my own pleasure of learning something but i'm not sure if i got it right. i made a easy bitmap with accurate bpm and set accurate time signatures (different in chorus and versers) but then i came to conclusion that time signature have no impact on anything and bpm must me multiplied for possible hard/insane beatmaps, am i right?

Deleted User 255289

281 Posts

August 28 2012 01:18 GMT

#3363

I used to play osu but the selection of metal beatmaps is simply too small.

Hakker

United States1360 Posts

August 28 2012 01:47 GMT

#3364

On August 28 2012 10:05 Chaosu wrote:
i'm very causal osu player and there's one thing that's bugging me. i tried my skills in map making, for my own pleasure of learning something but i'm not sure if i got it right. i made a easy bitmap with accurate bpm and set accurate time signatures (different in chorus and versers) but then i came to conclusion that time signature have no impact on anything and bpm must me multiplied for possible hard/insane beatmaps, am i right?

Time signatures only matter insofar as your map is mappabe in 3/4 or 4/4. Its next to impossible to map unusual timing from what I understand.

Also you should never multiply the bpm. That what slider velocity is for.

If you need help I can try and help you out. I've only been mapping for a few months (I'm terrible) but I've been trying to mod more maps.

Bobbias

Canada1373 Posts

August 28 2012 07:09 GMT

#3365

On August 28 2012 10:47 Hakker wrote:

Show nested quote +

I wouldn't say it's next to impossible. Having a musical background certainly helps, but there are mappers like Grumd, and I've seen plenty of stuff like Venetian Snares done in other music games (vsnares likes to write his stuff in 11/8 btw.)

Also, You forgot snap distance. When you want a map to feel much faster, you increase the snap distance, which multiplies all the spacing between notes, which means you require the player to move faster. You could make a 60 BPM map that requires the player to jump across the screen at insane speeds for each note... But that would be terrible.

MegaManEXE

United States845 Posts

August 28 2012 07:55 GMT

#3366

peppy doesn't like to mess with the mapper's intended vision of the map because osu is a much more creative and artistic rhythm game in terms of chart design than Stepmania or O2Jam or any other kind of PC rhythm game out there

I can agree with forcing storyboards to be viewed once because those actually can make a big difference in the impact of a beatmap and actually do take a lot of time and effort to make (like Don't Stop Me Now), but honestly who fucking gives a shit if the background has some generic anime girl or is all black, regardless of what it is it took probably 30 seconds in Google to find something relevant and resize it as opposed to a storyboard that can take hours or days

Bobbias

Canada1373 Posts

August 28 2012 08:18 GMT

#3367

On August 28 2012 16:55 MegaManEXE wrote:
peppy doesn't like to mess with the mapper's intended vision of the map because osu is a much more creative and artistic rhythm game in terms of chart design than Stepmania or O2Jam or any other kind of PC rhythm game out there

I can agree with forcing storyboards to be viewed once because those actually can make a big difference in the impact of a beatmap and actually do take a lot of time and effort to make (like Don't Stop Me Now), but honestly who fucking gives a shit if the background has some generic anime girl or is all black, regardless of what it is it took probably 30 seconds in Google to find something relevant and resize it as opposed to a storyboard that can take hours or days

See in my case, I understand that point, but I also think that you should not force someone to play like that if it interferes with their ability to enjoy the game for it's actual gameplay elements, rather than the visuals that go along with it.

Personally, I think that there should be enough artistic expression in the map's use of timing as well as placement, that playing with or without the SB should have little to no impact on how the map is. I would accept that there should be exceptions where the map is truly meant to only be played with the SB, but in those cases nobody should expect you to actually play the map well. Hardcore SB use and competitive play on a map are pretty damn close to mutually exclusive.

I mean, shit like this: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/34168 this is fucking creative. (autoplay with skin etc. intact, because it's impossible for osu to even FC, and I doubt cookeizi could even pass that.) Now, you don't need to make an unrankable/unplayable map like that to be creative, but it should be perfectly acceptable for someone to say, watch your map on autoplay, and then go play it without your SB/Skin. By virtue of having seen it on autoplay they see the intended way the map was supposed to look, but they also get to play it however they want.

Really, what I'm advocating for with osu is the freedom for a player to chose how they experience the game. It's been proven again and again online that the most successful ways to do something interacting with the internet is to allow every person the openness to experience things in their own unique way. Some people would intentionally keep SBs, and maybe even play heavily SB'd maps, while others may chose to play in a no distractions setup, and we should be free to chose how we experience the game ourselves.

If that means giving up the community aspect for the chance to do that, I'd certainly take it. But you know, I'd bet some people wouldn't be willing to give up the community aspect in order to get more personal control over osu through that offline osu variant I described earlier.

Flameling

United States413 Posts

August 28 2012 09:38 GMT

#3368

GOSICK - Resuscitated Hope
+ Show Spoiler +

Gave me like 25 pp for getting top 40 on this, and wasn't TOO difficult.
*And oh wow it's now my #1 for best performance..

Xafnia

Canada874 Posts

August 28 2012 14:56 GMT

#3369

Backgrounds can't be forced until osz2 btw.

Bobbias

Canada1373 Posts

August 28 2012 17:24 GMT

#3370

On August 28 2012 23:56 Xafnia wrote:
Backgrounds can't be forced until osz2 btw.

He showed us he could already force low res backgrounds.

Also, he changed it in the latest version or so that if you delete a background, it defaults to the playfield.jpg for your skin. Except that it also colorizes it like usual, rendering pure black playfield.jpg files useless as well.

luckylefty

United States272 Posts

August 28 2012 21:26 GMT

#3371

It's trying to force my BG's, but for some reason it doesn't work....which is good for me.

Bobbias

Canada1373 Posts

August 29 2012 15:49 GMT

#3372

So, I'm working on a background replacement tool for osu. Not every feature you see here is working. When they are, i'll post it here.

[image loading]

Also learned about an osu clone being created:

http://hexis.dienay.net/

luckylefty

United States272 Posts

August 29 2012 21:09 GMT

#3373

Thanks Bobbias, that's awesome.

I also know the guys working on hexis. I'm glad we have awesome people like you guys!

MegaManEXE

United States845 Posts

August 29 2012 21:20 GMT

#3374

I have a feeling that it's not going to succeed or take off

Not trying to be a negative nancy just my prediction

I like a lot of the things they're planning on doing but I just can't help but have a feeling that someone or something is going to get fucked up and ruin the whole game/community

I hope I'm proven wrong though

Also the people on their forums saying Flashlight should be equal to Hidden in terms of score bonus are fucking retarded

I can understand it not being worth as much as Doubletime but Hidden is like a fucking joke mod for most players (even though I suck at it), there will be literally no incentive to play FL if they nerf the bonus on it that hard

McFortran

United States79 Posts

August 30 2012 00:42 GMT

#3375

I hate it when the end of a song is by far the most difficult part. It took me about 60 tries to beat this, over half of which I failed ~95% into the song (I almost beat it on my 5th try with 66% accuracy).