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KwarK
United States43964 Posts
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TomatoShark
United States288 Posts
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polluxtby
Sweden207 Posts
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On July 09 2013 03:02 tofucake wrote: Boy that looks revolutionary. I'm surprised nobody ever thought of that ever. My sarcasm detector fail in the Internet. Is it really revolutionary and how? | ||
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KwarK
United States43964 Posts
On July 09 2013 03:27 Veldril wrote: My sarcasm detector fail in the Internet. Is it really revolutionary and how? I invented that fit 3 years ago and it has been the core of the hatchery doctrine ever since. | ||
Antoine
United States7481 Posts
On July 09 2013 03:19 KwarK wrote: And yet no-one has noticed the pulse oracle until now? When in an organization the size of the CFC, one needs to take into considerations beyond just the obvious strengths and weaknesses of a fit. So beyond worrying about how the concept does against the opposition's most likely fleet comps, how easy it is to pilot/fc, etc, you also need to worry about training. I'm sure your experience in CSW has exposed you well to the types of people who fill in the rank and file of the coalition. Every new fleet doctrine CFC has announced in the past 3 years or so has been a relatively painless train. Alphafleet: introduced at the same time as learning skill removal. People were instructed to spend their free SP on large projectiles. Welpcanes: also minmatar, also projectiles, good stepping stone for alphafleet. PermaMWD drake: Drake was already the most widespread ratting ship, caldari/missiles are great for Guristas ratting. Decent with very low SP. Tengufleet: natural progression from drakes. Rokhfleet: never fully rolled out, but supplemented alphafleet well and talos/naga were becoming the premier anoming ships. Techfleet: simple step from Alphafleet. just need armor skills. Caracalfleet: obvious, if you can fly drakefleet/tengufleet you can fly this. Lokifleet: same idea as tengufleet. welpcanes/alphafleet feed into it well. Baltecfleet: basically the combination of skills from rokhfleet (hybrids) and techfleet (armor). These are all fleets where it's easy to get your masses into the right ships, for quick rollouts of the new concept. Something like pulse oracles requires quite good skills, and goons haven't used large lasers for years and years. It's unlikely many people who started after the delve loss would have them trained. Other alliances have experimented with oracles. Tribe had their doctrine, brick had their doctrine, and so on. I don't know why it took them so long to settle on this fit. | ||
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KwarK
United States43964 Posts
That said, shield oracles won't work for what test is doing without strong individual piloting skills so no clue what they're trying. They're gonna get them bombed. | ||
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Antoine
United States7481 Posts
and yes, i don't quite understand test's idea to use oracles when they're already losing fleet after fleet of rokhs to bombs. i'm sure they have a plan though. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On July 09 2013 04:04 Antoine wrote: tribe's oracles were shield but they used tachs: http://kb.tribalband.net/index.php/kill_related/69966/ and yes, i don't quite understand test's idea to use oracles when they're already losing fleet after fleet of rokhs to bombs. i'm sure they have a plan though. Test has a plan... Doesn't compute. /joking That aside, bombing has really been a thorn in our side. Yesterday CTA saw like Test losing 30+ Rokhs to bomb while N3 lose like 3 Domi... So yeah, I don't know why they would use a shield doctrine right now unless you are doing a kiting fleet. | ||
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Zavior
Finland753 Posts
On July 09 2013 04:04 Antoine wrote: tribe's oracles were shield but they used tachs: http://kb.tribalband.net/index.php/kill_related/69966/ and yes, i don't quite understand test's idea to use oracles when they're already losing fleet after fleet of rokhs to bombs. i'm sure they have a plan though. I dont even know how many times tribes oracles got bombed against pizza. Probably way more times than i have fingers and toes. | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
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Rengas
United States169 Posts
Had this playing on a loop as I was falling asleep last night. | ||
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Mysticus
298 Posts
On July 09 2013 04:04 Antoine wrote: tribe's oracles were shield but they used tachs: http://kb.tribalband.net/index.php/kill_related/69966/ and yes, i don't quite understand test's idea to use oracles when they're already losing fleet after fleet of rokhs to bombs. i'm sure they have a plan though. Their plan is that Oracles are cheaper than Rokhs. | ||
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KwarK
United States43964 Posts
On July 09 2013 08:37 Mysticus wrote: Their plan is that Oracles are cheaper than Rokhs. Not in isk/EHP. | ||
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Mysticus
298 Posts
While true, if you are assuming that a bombing run will end your fleet (regardless of EHP), then your only consideration is total isk investment. | ||
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KwarK
United States43964 Posts
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Mysticus
298 Posts
On July 09 2013 09:04 KwarK wrote: By that logic the correct move is not to undock. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHWjlCaIrQo No, it's not. It's utility vs. cost. Given a purpose and a scenario in which a ship will die, you balance the cost of the tool versus the utility it's bringing to the fight. | ||
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Johnny Business
Sweden1251 Posts
Chessur NOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo  ((ty 4 medical advice | ||
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