EPTDear...god...
That char was apparently made in Oct 2011...to have 33bil would likely mean eBay/PLEX.
If one assumes 300mil goes for 15 bucks, that Vindi kill was worth 1650 bucks...dear god.
That is one expensive failfit.
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
Dear...god... That char was apparently made in Oct 2011...to have 33bil would likely mean eBay/PLEX. If one assumes 300mil goes for 15 bucks, that Vindi kill was worth 1650 bucks...dear god. That is one expensive failfit. | ||
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abominare
United States1216 Posts
On April 08 2012 05:23 Thezzy wrote: Dear...god... That char was apparently made in Oct 2011...to have 33bil would likely mean eBay/PLEX. If one assumes 300mil goes for 15 bucks, that Vindi kill was worth 1650 bucks...dear god. That is one expensive failfit. >_> yea totally no one would concevable make a mission alt and fund it with another character. I mean 33 billion who could possible ever have that much without ebay. | ||
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Inzek
Chile802 Posts
On April 08 2012 04:48 TurpinOS wrote: Only thing I can say about this debate is that even though you are right on this one, the problem here is a question of mentality. Some people will still take the fight even if their positionning is shit because they dont mind losing their ship and just want that fight, while others want perfect score over fights so they will be more picky. +1 +1 +1 +1 +99999999 i congratulate the onvolved for the goof fight  On April 08 2012 05:32 abominare wrote: >_> yea totally no one would concevable make a mission alt and fund it with another character. I mean 33 billion who could possible ever have that much without ebay. LOL | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
You don't remember correctly. Not even close. The drakes were in damage range when we landed. This goes in line with every fact you state about the whole situation, you've been wrong this entire time. 50 km, 30 km, and burning off? the concept is the same, by getting distance he was getting cap + heat pressure on the rest of your gang. I said BOTH the webs being the only mids to burn out on the drake was shit luck. Nothing else. While heat damage is sort of random, that was something you needed to consider in your plan, if you're going to be chasing a guy that is going to burn away from you at a significant speed... I doubt they didnt know it wasnt really a good thing to go into for them, dual linked tengu in a plex is a total bitch, but I guess they still wanted to fight. that's fair enough, I find that people often underestimate just how powerful the "home field advantage" is, though. One of the more amusing BRs from my more baddie days: http://pervs.pingtimeout.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=23782 This simply could not have happened at a belt or other celestial. It would seem incredibly risk-averse not to take that fight (as the minmatar FW) at first glance but once you understand the setup, you realize that the gilas/nomen were never in danger. But no one gives a fuck what you prefer. ok But please, keep being critical and condescending toward a fight in which you weren't even on grid. you're welcome I was on grid btw just couldn't really help because the battlefield was set up in which incoming help wouldn't be able to assist at all funny that ^^ | ||
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Viceorvirtue
United States273 Posts
BBQ was not the FC. Just because someone comes to an op does not give them the right to backseat fc. It is also very hypicritical of bbq to be argueing about the fight when he decided to join the op knowing full well that he, along with the rest of the fleet, was forced to fully commit to something that might end poorly. Ofcourse a dual linked tengu in a plex is extreamly powerful, but if you have good reason to think you might get the kill then fighting it is sometimes not a terrible decision. | ||
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Ramiel
United States1220 Posts
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DiracMonopole
United States1555 Posts
On April 08 2012 07:06 Viceorvirtue wrote: Well atleast bbq didnt start screaming for you all to self destruct your ships....this time anyway. The interesting thing about this discussion is that theres essentially a conflict of mentalities here. Once you engage in that situation, you are committed, there is no going back and saving your ship should things start going south. BBQ seems to thinks that the fight should not have taken place because of that fact. But heres the important part: BBQ was not the FC. Just because someone comes to an op does not give them the right to backseat fc. It is also very hypicritical of bbq to be argueing about the fight when he decided to join the op knowing full well that he, along with the rest of the fleet, was forced to fully commit to something that might end poorly. Ofcourse a dual linked tengu in a plex is extreamly powerful, but if you have good reason to think you might get the kill then fighting it is sometimes not a terrible decision. No, the issue with this engagement is that it depended on the tengu pilot being a complete and utter retard. He was, but thats a bad way to plan fights. If the tengu pilot was brutis kahn (or say garmon, who runs around on a number of alts now so he gets fights without being blobbed), then everyone would have died. | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
It is also very hypicritical of bbq to be argueing about the fight when he decided to join the op knowing full well that he, along with the rest of the fleet, was forced to fully commit to something that might end poorly. I have stated my opinion on multiple occasions regarding certain pilots with regards to having the ability/judgment to fly tengus in combat situations. However, if certain pilots decide to disregard my advice, the best I can do is attempt to minimize the consequences of such behavior. ** It is my opinion that even disregarding the unfortunate situation, hitting approach in a 100MN tengu vs another is invariably a poor decision. With regards to the validity of this hypothesis, you can, in the gamelogs, compare the damages before and after the approach command was sent. | ||
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NoSlack
United States112 Posts
On April 08 2012 07:19 Ramiel wrote: bahahah azro whelps another tengu, bbq gets mad, enemy tengu down (no drops) standard hatch amirite? Who was FC'ing this btw? BBQ always throws backseat FC- but wango and orious have never FC'd or at least i have never heard them... so was it azro? Also who is reaper? and why random sabre in LS? It was a call for assistance not really an organized fleet. Also go back and read the writeup and it'll explain why I was in a sabre. | ||
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Ramiel
United States1220 Posts
On April 08 2012 08:11 NoSlack wrote: It was a call for assistance not really an organized fleet. Also go back and read the writeup and it'll explain why I was in a sabre. hey its all good. My only coment is this entire operation seems like a huge faff. And as stated before- if that tengu pilot had half a brain you all would have died in a horrible fire. | ||
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NoSlack
United States112 Posts
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tofucake
Hyrule19054 Posts
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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
On April 08 2012 07:28 DiracMonopole wrote: No, the issue with this engagement is that it depended on the tengu pilot being a complete and utter retard. He was, but thats a bad way to plan fights. If the tengu pilot was brutis kahn (or say garmon, who runs around on a number of alts now so he gets fights without being blobbed), then everyone would have died. Well, as much as youre not completely wrong, assuming that the pilot will be a complete retard is actually a very feasible thing considering the very nature of Eve, I mean, how many times have we thrown a few ships to huge ass blobs knowing that they would be way too fucking stupid so we had a chance. Edit : Whether or not their initial though was stupid is rather moot, since in the end, they got what seemed to be a pretty nice fight and killed the guy, its not in true 100% efficiency Hatchery manner, but then again, the smartbomb phoon was not either  | ||
KwarK
United States42689 Posts
On April 08 2012 09:11 tofucake wrote: So like I've been saying, bbq is a waste of life and can we all ignore him now? I'm pretty sure what BBQ is saying amounts to "pick your spots and against a dual linked 100mn tengu in a site your spot better include more than just two bcs". I agree with the assessment that against what it turned out that you were fighting it was a bad call. That said, the chances of him being not failfit and actually linked were pretty low. The chances of him being an idiot were pretty low and actually, it turned out that in this case he was an idiot. So whatever, if your game plan includes an acceptable range of "probably welp, hope they fuck up" then this is fine. | ||
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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
A wild Chessur appears. | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
That said, the chances of him being not failfit and actually linked were pretty low. It was confirmed before the fight that he had dual links, as we had fought him on a prior occasion. This is evidenced, among other things, by the fact that the other Tengu outran ours despite having 2 less nanos. Well, as much as youre not completely wrong, assuming that the pilot will be a complete retard is actually a very feasible thing considering the very nature of Eve, Burning in a straight line hoping to catch an opponent that can easily exceed your speed doesn't allow you to leverage superior piloting skill, imo So like I've been saying, bbq is a waste of life and can we all ignore him now? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WCoWB.png) | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule19054 Posts
On April 08 2012 10:10 419 wrote: It was confirmed before the fight that he had dual links, as we had fought him on a prior occasion. This is evidenced, among other things, by the fact that the other Tengu outran ours despite having 2 less nanos. Burning in a straight line hoping to catch an opponent that can easily exceed your speed doesn't allow you to leverage superior piloting skill, imo as I recall you were one of the people saying "he's got blasters get close" like a fucking idiot. Stop talking to me. | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
On April 08 2012 10:44 tofucake wrote: as I recall you were one of the people saying "he's got blasters get close" like a fucking idiot. Stop talking to me. you recall wrong, I wasn't even online while you were sailing into the loving embrace of Neutron Blaster Cannon II i have made a totally not related at all movie poster for a movie called SORROW OF SCOURGE ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/anrxf.png) | ||
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Ramiel
United States1220 Posts
On April 08 2012 10:04 TurpinOS wrote: On a different note : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SIK6m-5Av8 A wild Chessur appears. I can't watch it atm.... where am i and what am i doing in the video? Hopefully nothing to bad >.> | ||
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Zedd Althor
United States67 Posts
On April 08 2012 11:34 Ramiel wrote: I can't watch it atm.... where am i and what am i doing in the video? Hopefully nothing to bad >.> In EC- with a tengu whoring on some KMs | ||
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