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Heres the thing here HT,
Pistons were not going to win a championship with this years team pre-trade. While there is a good chance that they may be worse off, there is also a chance, albeit slim, that they win the championship with AI.
Also, while I generally agree with your opinion of AI's D, I also think that you vastly overrate the points in the east. Gilbert is a huge question mark with his health and all the other points that you mentioned are not big threats. Deron and Paul are huge threats and can pick apart AI's defense. But there is no point in the East that is good enough to fully capitalize on AI's shortcomings on D.
I've been watching a lot of games on NBA Season Pass and I think Acie Law might be the worst player getting regular playing time in the NBA.
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HT, he did start off as a point guard, until larry brown moved him to SG.
From, the biggest ai fan that's watched all his documentaries. btw any reactions from detroit fans?
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On November 04 2008 09:58 BalliSLife wrote:
So his steals don't count for anything for defense? he drops more points on the other teams point guards then the other way around, if anything the whole denver team didn't play defense. look at lakers rolling them last year in the playoffs.
They don't. His steals are a result of gambling and they don't make up for the matador act the rest of the time.
On November 04 2008 12:18 BalliSLife wrote:
btw any reactions from detroit fans?
We fucking love it. 70% of the boards and people on the radio today were positive about it, because of the cap room more than anything else.
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HonestTea
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I'll be missing Billups though
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On October 06 2008 13:12 HonestTea wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2008 13:02 KOFgokuon wrote:
If the sixers can learn to shoot, we'll have home court advantage for at least 1 round of the playoffs
i can see them getting 2nd in the atlantic and 4th overall Say it. Say that you miss him. Just admit you miss Kyle.
the way that the sixers owned the kings (45/76 FG) and the way korver is playing atm tells me that the sixers aren't going to miss him too much. 
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On November 04 2008 14:24 HonestTea wrote:
I'll be missing Billups though
It needed to happen. Palace attendance was dropping too.
Rip just got a 3 year extension btw. Also more rumors of Tayshaun getting dealt. BTW this will give you a boner.
Pistons get Iverson now, LeBron later?
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports 58 minutes ago
Yahoo! Sports
Joe Dumars had the chance to consider Dallas’ Jason Kidd and his expiring contract over the summer, a league executive said Monday, but the Detroit Pistons president had bigger, bolder ideas. Allen Iverson still gives the Pistons a puncher’s chance in the Eastern Conference this season, but this trade isn’t about him. It isn’t about Chauncey Billups.
Think bigger.
Think bolder.
Think LeBron James, 2010.
The Pistons president doesn’t just have the salary cap space for the Cleveland Cavaliers star. He also has the connections and the championship credibility. Make no mistake: Detroit and Dumars are officially in hot pursuit of James – maybe even the favorite now – and it promises to be a long, agonizing two years for the Cavaliers.
Detroit doesn’t deliver the bright lights and global metropolis destination that James wants when he opts out of his contract in 2010, but two more years of watching Kobe Bryant win titles could transform his priorities. James wants badly to be considered the best player on the planet and that won’t happen until he’s a champion.
James wants a front office with a vision that honors his greatness, and make no mistake: This makes Detroit and Dumars so dangerous, makes them Cleveland’s worst nightmare. The city could justify losing its prodigal son to New York or Los Angeles, but nearby Detroit?
Cleveland would never recover.
So why Iverson over a possible package for Kidd? Several league executives know exactly why: The trade with Denver to make an unhappy Iverson happier just further imbeds the Detroit franchise deeper into James’ agent, Leon Rose, and advisor, William Wesley. Just as they represent James, they rep Iverson.
And as much as anyone, “World Wide” Wes is one of the most important voices in Lebron’s life. Wesley lives in Detroit, where one of Rose’s clients, Richard Hamilton, is a Pistons star. What’s more, Dumars is close to an agreement with Hamilton on a two-year extension that will keep him through 2012, sources say. This is a terrific show of faith for Hamilton, who is trying to recoup hundreds of thousands of dollars that a business manager allegedly stole from him.
Wesley comes and goes at the Palace of Auburn Hills as he pleases, and few have such a window into the winning culture of the Pistons.
As one rival GM said Monday, “Damn it, I am afraid Joe has this whole thing wired. He’s got everything in place to pull this off.”
The New Jersey Nets’ move to Brooklyn is falling apart, and so is owner Bruce Ratner’s chances of using limited partner, Jay-Z, to lure James. The Knicks will be a factor, but the bumbling of the Stephon Marbury mess has reflected horribly on the organization. The Knicks have an owner, GM and coach with differing agendas and they’ve made an initial poor impression. Detroit can’t compete with New York as the global city to market James, but winning could take care of everything.
With Donnie Walsh and Mike D’Antoni as GM and coach, the Knicks can still get their act together. Yet, no one will ever need to ask that of Dumars. No one else can sell James on a winning culture as compellingly as Dumars. He had gone as far as he could with Billups, who has three years and $36 million left on his contract. Billups gave the Pistons a slight edge over Iverson to make another run this season, but Dumars had already gotten a final run out of him a year ago. Detroit won a title, reached a Game 7 of the NBA Finals and six straight Eastern Conference finals with Billups.
Now, Billups is 32 years old. He’s declining. This is a low-risk, short-term, high-reward, long-term play for Dumars.
The Pistons president believes that the young guard Rodney Stuckey, a brilliant pick out of Eastern Washington, can take over the Pistons next year. Iverson and Rasheed Wallace could leave the payroll this summer, and the Pistons will be $22 million under the salary cap in 2009. They will have a core of Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, Stuckey, Jason Maxiell and Amir Johnson in 2010. No one else among James’ serious suitors with cap space has two All-Stars (Hamilton and Prince) and a potential third (Stuckey) for him to join.
Most of all, James knows he’d have Dumas to give him the right coach, the right teammates, the right atmosphere to chase championships for a long, long time. What makes this plan so ingenious is that the bridge from Iverson to Stuckey, from Wallace to Maxiell, makes it possible for the Pistons to reconstruct themselves without bottoming out. They’ll still be a 50-win team. Dumars hates the idea of rebuilding through the lottery, and that won’t need to happen here. He won’t be offering James a heap of ashes in 2010, but a good team needing him to complete its greatness.
For the flawed franchises falling over themselves to get under the salary cap for 2010, the most ingenious plan promises to start out of the NBA’s brightest executive mind. Joe Dumars is thinking big. He’s thinking bold. This will be an agonizing two years in Cleveland.
LeBron/Bosh '11!
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when donyell marshall and kareem rush combine to go 6-7 from 3, you know something is wrong with a team
i miss korver i alreayd said it
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Hell yea korver is the man and I'm glad we have him in Utah. As far as this trade goes, Denver got the better end of the deal for sure. Sorry Iverson fans he's no more then a black hole. Doesn't do anything good for a team. Unless it was just a move to free up cap space in the future. In that case.....good move! 
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I read that, Jibba, but I'll be happy about it when it happens.
That's two years away and banking on a lot of things to go right.
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don't you people ever sleep! we've been posting about this since like 1 pm EST haha
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On November 04 2008 09:48 Ace wrote:
Iverson can't play defense?
He wont pass but try to score a lot?
Ok this thread is full of non-ballers, I'm out of here lol.
what the heck does this mean? Full of non-ballers? I just got back from the court and feelin' fresh. Say something constructive next time instead of leaving vague questions.
Denver has been mocked for their poor team defense for a long time now, and that does include AI.
I'm not saying he can't develop as a good passer, but his track record hasn't really shown it. He's more of a drive-and-dish type passer, but his decision making as the point is still a question mark.
If they're freeing up cap space, then good luck to them! Seeing Bron in Detroit is a scary thought...
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On November 04 2008 11:13 HonestTea wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 09:48 Ace wrote:
Iverson can't play defense?
He wont pass but try to score a lot?
Ok this thread is full of non-ballers, I'm out of here lol. Listen, I love Iverson, but take a minute to THINK. He's not good at team defense. If you think he's anything close to the defender that Chauncey is you're insane.
I don't know how to rate Iverson's defense, but Chauncey has no defensive ability whatsoever beyond being strong. He cannot guard anyone faster than him. Which is every other point guard.
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You guys are worse than the media.
Bosh isn't going anywhere, so you might as well stop those rumors. He is very happy in T.O. and he's there for the long-term.
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On November 04 2008 21:55 Servolisk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2008 11:13 HonestTea wrote:On November 04 2008 09:48 Ace wrote:
Iverson can't play defense?
He wont pass but try to score a lot?
Ok this thread is full of non-ballers, I'm out of here lol. Listen, I love Iverson, but take a minute to THINK. He's not good at team defense. If you think he's anything close to the defender that Chauncey is you're insane. I don't know how to rate Iverson's defense, but Chauncey has no defensive ability whatsoever beyond being strong. He cannot guard anyone faster than him. Which is every other point guard. Chauncey can play D, he just doesn't very often.
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HonestTea
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I have concluded that Servo is what we call a hater
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Chauncey has pretty strong defense unless he's going up against REALLY fast players, and there aren't a great many of them in the NBA that get tons of playing time, so there are only a few PG's that he will have trouble defending. His size and strength along with his understanding of the game and superior footwork allow him to play real strong defense on most PG's.
Iverson is really good although he's ALWAYS been more of a shoot-first player. Just because he gets 7 assists a game doesn't mean he is a great passer. I mean, you can look at Kobe in previous years and say he ALWAYS lead the Lakers in assists, but not many people would argue that he was a playmaker. Then, last year he doesn't break his own assist record, but he was more of a playmaker than ever.
My point is, just because you get assists doesn't mean you are a play-maker, and having a lot of assists doesn't mean you are NOT a play-maker (I.E, Kobe averaged 5.4 assists per game last year, but was a huge play-maker for the Lakers ... Iverson averaged 7.1 and was NOT a huge play-maker).
So ya, Iverson is a scorer, always has been, and always will be.
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Is Iverson in the bench for the pistons?
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An AI Pistons jersey would be so sweet but I don't want it if he's just going to leave after a year. 
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EPT
