NFL Playoffs 2008-2009 - Page 9

On September 10 2008 04:15 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:




What?

On September 11 2008 10:36 Hot_Bid wrote:

No, that means hes most likely the worst passing QB in the league. There's a huge difference, because Young is a run/pass QB, so you can't measure him solely by passer rating.

And I agree, VY needs to suck it up, you're a professional athlete you should be able to take criticism.

On September 11 2008 10:54 KOFgokuon wrote:
well, i don't think you can cut someone when they're on IR, but he definitely won't make it to training camp next year due to his cap number unless he HEAVILY renegotiates his deal
agreed, nolan will be gone
dunno if i agree about martz

On September 11 2008 11:31 KOFgokuon wrote:
elway scrambled pretty well for a white boy

On September 11 2008 03:20 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:


That's what I said when I heard that.



This isn't an extreme case, though. We're talking about ONE player. It's not like Patriots games are exciting to watch, unless you enjoy watching far superior teams beat up on bad ones (like the Patriots v that whole division).

The point is that people are not watching the game to see Tom Brady play. There is, yes, a certain segment of the viewers who do that, but by and large I believe that statement is untrue. To me, Patriots games will be MORE exciting now, because they'll be closer. I would much rather watch the Patriots now than I would have last week, because their games will no longer be comparable to Mike Tyson vs a semi-retarded five year old.

On September 11 2008 17:26 tfeign wrote:

People don't watch sports solely to see Tom Brady play. People watch sports to see the bests compete. When the best isn't competing, interests decline. Whether games are close or not is an issue nowhere even comparable to the fact that the fans are not getting to see the highest quality of players in competition. A high school football game may end in triple overtime, but regardless of how close it is it will never generate as much interests as any game in the NFL. The NFL is the most popular football league because it has the bests competing, and seeing the bests competing is the single most important factor to fans interests. No other football league is going to be more popular than the NFL unless they have better players competing. To argue that seeing closer games is more important to fan interests than seeing the bests compete is ridiculous. You feeling better about Brady being gone just so you can get to see closer games is your opinion, but that does not portray how the general fanbase feels, at all.

On September 11 2008 19:11 bludragen88 wrote:


Perhaps this is the wrong forum for this, but is the NFL really the most popular football league? I think that there are more real fans watching football every Saturday, in bigger, rowdier and crazier stadiums. I'm not sure exactly why - whether its loyalty or the fact that more craziness happens in college football (bigger upsets, more blocked kicks and trick plays), but I think there is more to it than skill level (for exhibit B, see NCAA basketball and the NBA).

On September 11 2008 10:46 nemY wrote:


Sarcasm ya know?

Predictions: Alex Smith will be cut by the 49ers at the end of the year. Mike Nolan will be fired after yet another poor to mediocre season. Mike Martz will be be promoted to head coach after the 49ers unsuccessfully try to woe Mike Holmgren to the team and the 49ers will draft a new QB in the first round who will sit out the season.YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.

On September 11 2008 11:27 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:


Every running QB in the league, with the exception of Donovan McNabb (who has become much more of passer than a runner, and really more of a scrambling QB than a running QB [there is a difference, Cutler scrambles, Vick ran]) is bad at the position. There's a reason that the only "mobile" QB to have won a Super Bowl was Steve Young (and he had it bought for him). They aren't good.

There's also a reason the halfback position exists, and it's for them to run the ball. Sometimes a trick play (HB pass, QB draw, whatever) is a nice change of pace, but by and large mobile QB's do not work out at the professional level. And there are not enough examples for you to disprove that with. (McNabb, Young, and McNair are the only mobile QB's to have reached the Super Bowl. That's three out of how many that have played? I guess Frank Tarkenton would kind of count too, I think that's his name. The Vikings QB that played in the 50's or 60's or something.) It's GREAT if they have the ability to make the occasional play with their legs (Cutler for example [I can't think of anyone else right now, sorry]), but when they start to rely on their legs over their arms, big problems start to develop. I think it would be a tough argument to make that Vince Young looks to throw the ball more than he looks to run it.

If you were to take a poll of the best QB's in the league, the top five to ten would all be pocket passers. Football teams are like economies: they're more efficient when they specialize. When you try to get a jack of all positions, the teams generally under perform.



I don't think you can cut them, either, since they don't count against your roster. Agreed on the rest.

Martz could get the job, but he definitely shouldn't.

On September 11 2008 12:42 Pangolin wrote:
Yeah same with Jake Plummer. It seems the Broncos have a thing for QBs who can scramble if they feel like it.

On September 12 2008 05:38 Hawk wrote:
Randall Cunningham and Warren Moon

Two pretty pimp qb's!

but on the whole, run first qb's typically suck. Vick was one of the most overhyped players to come out that didnt totally fall flat on his face right away. It only took a few years for people to realize what a waste that was.

VY is overrated as hell. People wanted to dismiss his wonderlic test (which was low as shit) citing all the dumb things as usual... racist against black qbs, it's a pointless test, blah whatever. Point is, in college, the dude had a completely limited playbook, was in shot gun a ton of the time and never ever went past his 2nd option before running.

Pocket passers: good
Passers who aren't sitting ducks outside of the tackles: better
Run first qb: will never work in the league

McNabb (prior to sucking and then blaming it on people hating black qb's) had to adapt to become a scrambler instead of a runner. He could beat you with his legs, but only if he needed to. That's how come he was so dominant for those years. Not because he was looking to run all the time. Honestly, if the idiots in charge there ever got him a decent receiver (besides the one year with TO) that team would have been ridiculous.

On September 12 2008 06:30 KOFgokuon wrote:
what, you don't think james trash was a good receiver?
or alligator arms pinkston?
...
i suffered through many bad years of eagles teams don't remind me

and for the record, warren moon was much more a passing qb from the get go than cunningham, mcnabb, or vick

On September 12 2008 09:51 Hawk wrote:


true, but wasn't going THAT into detail =]

Moon was a pimp man. I really wish I was around for his early days and not the tail end of his career.