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Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5225 Posts
September 09 2008 22:23 GMT
#101
Haha. I do love all things Bahstan sports <3.

Patriots will still manage to win the AFC East. I can't wait for the game on Sunday when the Patriots defense tears Favre apart. When all is said and done in a decade from now, Brady will go down as one of the top 5 quarterbacks to ever play the game.
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
September 09 2008 22:26 GMT
#102
I think we're talking about this in two different ways. It's bad for the NFL (business), but good for the fans. I mean it's good for the fans. I think it is anyway, because I'm really sick of seeing the Pats in the playoffs/Super Bowl every year.
I'm never gonna know you now \ But I'm gonna love you anyhow.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
September 09 2008 22:55 GMT
#103
^^If you're good, you should be rewarded. The Patriots are undeniably good, and thus they should deserve to be in the playoffs annually. It was like when Michael Jordan owned the NBA. He was good and well the fans loved it too, and it showed with multiple three-peats.

Fans wants to see good games and name players. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tony Romo. Those are name players fans go to see. Not your Rex Grossmans and Jake Delhommes. Sorry.
God Bless
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
September 09 2008 23:18 GMT
#104
On September 10 2008 07:55 Roffles wrote:
^^If you're good, you should be rewarded. The Patriots are undeniably good, and thus they should deserve to be in the playoffs annually. It was like when Michael Jordan owned the NBA. He was good and well the fans loved it too, and it showed with multiple three-peats.

Fans wants to see good games and name players. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tony Romo. Those are name players fans go to see. Not your Rex Grossmans and Jake Delhommes. Sorry.


I know that. But fans also like a good underdog story (Kurt Warner and the St. Louis Rams of 1999, people loved watching that team come out of nowhere). They like new talent emerging amongst the talent that's been there for years. It's time for Jay Cutler, Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, maybe Matt Ryan, VY, Jamarcus Russel, Derek Anderson. To me, especially in football, it's a lot more fun to watch a game when the outcome isn't certain. A couple years ago if the Browns were playing a team, you could almost guarantee that the Browns would lose. Now, not so much. They have a powerful offense (when they're clicking), so they can stay in many games that they wouldn't have been able to in the past. It's time for the torch to be passed on to the younger players. These guys, Brady, Manning, McNabb, they've done this for a long time, and they've all had really successful careers, but it's time the young guys started becoming the stars. (Note: Favre doesn't count, that's a completely different storyline than the one we get from the three mentioned there.)

I can't speak for everyone, and I don't want to be taken that way, I am only attempting to put across my point of view (and I do apply that to the general, yes, because I believe my way of thinking is correct, so I just assume that others think like me). Personally, I'm tired of the Colts/Patriots putting on auto-pilot to the playoffs. I was sick of seeing the Eagles in the NFC Championship every year. I was tired of the Rams killing everyone in that division for so many years. The Cowboys of the 90's... thank God they're gone. Green Bay being the only good team in the NFC North. It gets boring watching the same teams win all the time. Parody in the NFL is the reason it overtook baseball as the most popular sport in the USA, not because of the Patriots, or Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning, but because any team can win on any given Sunday. That is, and always will be the best part about football.
I'm never gonna know you now \ But I'm gonna love you anyhow.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
September 09 2008 23:25 GMT
#105
Merriman's out for the year
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3578588

has vince young been found yet? anyone have any updates on this news piece?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3577597
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-09 23:42:44
September 09 2008 23:30 GMT
#106
On September 10 2008 08:25 KOFgokuon wrote:
Merriman's out for the year
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3578588

has vince young been found yet? anyone have any updates on this news piece?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3577597


The second link answers your question: (BTW, talk about not having mental toughness. The guy didn't want to go back out, because the fans were booing him. Stop playing terrible and they won't hate you.)

Not having all the facts available to us and approaching the matter prudently, we contacted Metro Police to make them aware of the situation and asked for their assistance in locating Vince," the Titans said in a statement Tuesday. "He was located at a friend's house, where we made contact with him.

"He then came to the practice facility, where it was determined that those initial concerns by his friends and family were unfounded and he returned home without incident," the Titans said.


I didn't say it here, but I've been building the Broncos up to my friends and such: they're going to win the division this year. Merriman being out only gives me more fuel to add to that fire. Which also might mean I should drop them in fantasy as my defense.
I'm never gonna know you now \ But I'm gonna love you anyhow.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
September 10 2008 00:06 GMT
#107
ah, it was unclear from the headline, I assumed it was the same story from this afternoon
i'm convinced that the eagles can make a legit run at the division title. I don't think they'll win, but they'll definitely be the #5 seed and will be a tough match every week for sure
tfeign
Profile Joined June 2004
United States2980 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-10 00:59:01
September 10 2008 00:27 GMT
#108
On September 10 2008 08:18 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2008 07:55 Roffles wrote:
^^If you're good, you should be rewarded. The Patriots are undeniably good, and thus they should deserve to be in the playoffs annually. It was like when Michael Jordan owned the NBA. He was good and well the fans loved it too, and it showed with multiple three-peats.

Fans wants to see good games and name players. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Tony Romo. Those are name players fans go to see. Not your Rex Grossmans and Jake Delhommes. Sorry.


I know that. But fans also like a good underdog story (Kurt Warner and the St. Louis Rams of 1999, people loved watching that team come out of nowhere). They like new talent emerging amongst the talent that's been there for years. It's time for Jay Cutler, Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, maybe Matt Ryan, VY, Jamarcus Russel, Derek Anderson. To me, especially in football, it's a lot more fun to watch a game when the outcome isn't certain. A couple years ago if the Browns were playing a team, you could almost guarantee that the Browns would lose. Now, not so much. They have a powerful offense (when they're clicking), so they can stay in many games that they wouldn't have been able to in the past. It's time for the torch to be passed on to the younger players. These guys, Brady, Manning, McNabb, they've done this for a long time, and they've all had really successful careers, but it's time the young guys started becoming the stars. (Note: Favre doesn't count, that's a completely different storyline than the one we get from the three mentioned there.)

I can't speak for everyone, and I don't want to be taken that way, I am only attempting to put across my point of view (and I do apply that to the general, yes, because I believe my way of thinking is correct, so I just assume that others think like me). Personally, I'm tired of the Colts/Patriots putting on auto-pilot to the playoffs. I was sick of seeing the Eagles in the NFC Championship every year. I was tired of the Rams killing everyone in that division for so many years. The Cowboys of the 90's... thank God they're gone. Green Bay being the only good team in the NFC North. It gets boring watching the same teams win all the time. Parody in the NFL is the reason it overtook baseball as the most popular sport in the USA, not because of the Patriots, or Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning, but because any team can win on any given Sunday. That is, and always will be the best part about football.

Brady's injury is neither good for the business nor the fans. Assumptions are valid when they are reasonable. Yours are absurd.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
September 10 2008 00:37 GMT
#109
No need to drop Merriman as your defense. They've still got some wicked sick corners (Cromartie) and a really good return game. Sure you might lose a few sacks, but they're still a legit good D, better than any other waiver wire junk you'll find.
God Bless
lilsusie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3861 Posts
September 10 2008 01:54 GMT
#110
I think I agree with SweetLemons - it's always great to see new and rising faces. I was the one who was utterly thrilled with Brady's injury, call me excessive, call me what you want, but I'm so sick of him and the Pats prancing their way to the playoffs. (God I can't stand Belichick either.. but I digress) Tom's not injured forever; he hurt his knee - boohoo. The 2008-09 season is over for him, but if the Pats are really that great, then they will do well regardless. (Not AS well, as Brady IS a damn good player, but the rest of the team is still a-ok) And he'll be back next year.

I really hope that this season (Week 1 has had quite a few upsets!!) paves way for more fans to really enjoy the game - and actually have hope that their respective teams may make it far. No one wants to watch a game where they KNOW their team will lose. It's all about that small inkling of hope that keeps fans hanging on, and the influx of more possible fans.
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inertinept
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Bangladesh1195 Posts
September 10 2008 02:13 GMT
#111
yea, like susie said in her second paragraph a lot of people begin to get discouraged after there teams continually suck every year. I know up here in the Northeast that basically all the talk is either about brady's injury and whiners or how all 3 new york teams won and they are finally starting to be semi-decent.

(of course the giants winning the superbowl what was brought most of the new york fans back into the mainframe of the game)
With a gust of wind, perhaps.
Ra.Xor.2
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1784 Posts
September 10 2008 02:19 GMT
#112
I gotta say, Aaron Rogers did fucking amazing his first game. From the looks of it, he has quite similar characteristics to Favre and the Packers have got a star in the making.
#1 Flash Fan
tfeign
Profile Joined June 2004
United States2980 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-10 03:48:46
September 10 2008 03:33 GMT
#113
On September 10 2008 10:54 lilsusie wrote:
I think I agree with SweetLemons - it's always great to see new and rising faces. I was the one who was utterly thrilled with Brady's injury, call me excessive, call me what you want, but I'm so sick of him and the Pats prancing their way to the playoffs. (God I can't stand Belichick either.. but I digress) Tom's not injured forever; he hurt his knee - boohoo. The 2008-09 season is over for him, but if the Pats are really that great, then they will do well regardless. (Not AS well, as Brady IS a damn good player, but the rest of the team is still a-ok) And he'll be back next year.

I really hope that this season (Week 1 has had quite a few upsets!!) paves way for more fans to really enjoy the game - and actually have hope that their respective teams may make it far. No one wants to watch a game where they KNOW their team will lose. It's all about that small inkling of hope that keeps fans hanging on, and the influx of more possible fans.

So you're more exciting about a sport when its league's best player isn't playing? You really think that fans would rather see a watered down season just so other teams can make the playoffs? Tiger Woods's injury made golf more exciting for fans too? How about if Flash and Jaedong get injured and can't play for the next year it would make programing more exciting for fans too? Maybe Stork can then have that inkling of hope to win a gold medal.

It's fine to state what you feel, but to claim that's how the fans generally feel is incredibly senseless. Losing the league's most examplary player is good for no one. How you feel about it is an exception, not the norm.

By the way, if you can "KNOW" when a team will lose, you'll be a rich person without ever working another day in your life. Nothing in sports is ever certain, regardless of who's playing. What no one wants to watch is a watered down league.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
September 10 2008 03:52 GMT
#114
Stork will never win a Starleague Gold. I'd just like to point that out. Sorry for interrupting.

And one player injured doesn't lead to a watered down league. There are certainly more teams out there that can show great games.
God Bless
lilsusie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3861 Posts
September 10 2008 04:02 GMT
#115
On September 10 2008 12:33 tfeign wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2008 10:54 lilsusie wrote:
I think I agree with SweetLemons - it's always great to see new and rising faces. I was the one who was utterly thrilled with Brady's injury, call me excessive, call me what you want, but I'm so sick of him and the Pats prancing their way to the playoffs. (God I can't stand Belichick either.. but I digress) Tom's not injured forever; he hurt his knee - boohoo. The 2008-09 season is over for him, but if the Pats are really that great, then they will do well regardless. (Not AS well, as Brady IS a damn good player, but the rest of the team is still a-ok) And he'll be back next year.

I really hope that this season (Week 1 has had quite a few upsets!!) paves way for more fans to really enjoy the game - and actually have hope that their respective teams may make it far. No one wants to watch a game where they KNOW their team will lose. It's all about that small inkling of hope that keeps fans hanging on, and the influx of more possible fans.

So you're more exciting about a sport when its league's best player isn't playing? You really think that fans would rather see a watered down season just so other teams can make the playoffs? Tiger Woods's injury made golf more exciting for fans too? How about if Flash and Jaedong get injured and can't play for the next year it would make programing more exciting for fans too? Maybe Stork can then have that inkling of hope to win a gold medal.

It's fine to state what you feel, but to claim that's how the fans generally feel is incredibly senseless. Losing the league's most examplary player is good for no one. How you feel about it is an exception, not the norm.

By the way, if you can "KNOW" when a team will lose, you'll be a rich person without ever working another day in your life. Nothing in sports is ever certain, regardless of who's playing. What no one wants to watch is a watered down league.



The thing with Flash/Jaedong/Tiger is that.. well they all play single player sports. We root for them because they are our favorite player. Here in Korea, when Bisu changed teams, many Hero fans STILL cheered for their favorite team, even though a strong player left. Similarly, if Brady goes to some other team, say the Jets or something (*ahem*), TOM BRADY fans may switch alliances too, however Pats fans will stay Pats fans. League's best player? He's an awesome QB, yes, but again, I don't watch football to just watch HIM play, I watch the game as a whole. (Well, I sometimes do watch him play, he's pretty darn hot with a nice ass.)

It's not watered down, it just brings people down to a more even playing field. I'd rather watch close games than watch one team beat down on another and lose interest. Maybe you just like the domination of one team, one person, but for me, football is about the individual plays that happen between players, the tackles, the sacks, the excitement of not knowing the outcome.

And come on, sometimes you just KNOW (at least are 99% sure) that if a certain team plays another, MOST LIKELY, HIGHLY POSSIBLY one team will beat the other.
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yubee
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States3826 Posts
September 10 2008 04:23 GMT
#116
daaaaa bears
tfeign
Profile Joined June 2004
United States2980 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-10 04:54:36
September 10 2008 04:29 GMT
#117
On September 10 2008 13:02 lilsusie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2008 12:33 tfeign wrote:
On September 10 2008 10:54 lilsusie wrote:
I think I agree with SweetLemons - it's always great to see new and rising faces. I was the one who was utterly thrilled with Brady's injury, call me excessive, call me what you want, but I'm so sick of him and the Pats prancing their way to the playoffs. (God I can't stand Belichick either.. but I digress) Tom's not injured forever; he hurt his knee - boohoo. The 2008-09 season is over for him, but if the Pats are really that great, then they will do well regardless. (Not AS well, as Brady IS a damn good player, but the rest of the team is still a-ok) And he'll be back next year.

I really hope that this season (Week 1 has had quite a few upsets!!) paves way for more fans to really enjoy the game - and actually have hope that their respective teams may make it far. No one wants to watch a game where they KNOW their team will lose. It's all about that small inkling of hope that keeps fans hanging on, and the influx of more possible fans.

So you're more exciting about a sport when its league's best player isn't playing? You really think that fans would rather see a watered down season just so other teams can make the playoffs? Tiger Woods's injury made golf more exciting for fans too? How about if Flash and Jaedong get injured and can't play for the next year it would make programing more exciting for fans too? Maybe Stork can then have that inkling of hope to win a gold medal.

It's fine to state what you feel, but to claim that's how the fans generally feel is incredibly senseless. Losing the league's most examplary player is good for no one. How you feel about it is an exception, not the norm.

By the way, if you can "KNOW" when a team will lose, you'll be a rich person without ever working another day in your life. Nothing in sports is ever certain, regardless of who's playing. What no one wants to watch is a watered down league.



The thing with Flash/Jaedong/Tiger is that.. well they all play single player sports. We root for them because they are our favorite player. Here in Korea, when Bisu changed teams, many Hero fans STILL cheered for their favorite team, even though a strong player left. Similarly, if Brady goes to some other team, say the Jets or something (*ahem*), TOM BRADY fans may switch alliances too, however Pats fans will stay Pats fans. League's best player? He's an awesome QB, yes, but again, I don't watch football to just watch HIM play, I watch the game as a whole. (Well, I sometimes do watch him play, he's pretty darn hot with a nice ass.)

It's not watered down, it just brings people down to a more even playing field. I'd rather watch close games than watch one team beat down on another and lose interest. Maybe you just like the domination of one team, one person, but for me, football is about the individual plays that happen between players, the tackles, the sacks, the excitement of not knowing the outcome.

And come on, sometimes you just KNOW (at least are 99% sure) that if a certain team plays another, MOST LIKELY, HIGHLY POSSIBLY one team will beat the other.

Basketball is a team sport. Michael Jordan dominated the NBA even more than Tom Brady ever had. The Bulls were literally untouchable when MJ was playing. So then when Jordan left the NBA and ended his domination, does that mean that fans were more interested in watching basketball because other teams begin to have a chance after a more leveled playing field?

Seriously, the NBA fanbase was never the same, not even close, since the days of Jordan. Whether a sport is a team sport or not doesn't at all change the fact that injury is never good for fans. Whether it be football, chess, Starcraft, or your school math competition, the result is all the same: people like watching the best of the best compete. When the bests are not competing, interests will decline. Injury is never ever good for creating more fan interests any kind of competition whatsoever. To argue against this is only biasedly generalizing your own views and not accepting the overall reality.
lilsusie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3861 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-10 04:36:08
September 10 2008 04:35 GMT
#118
There was a lot more that sucked than MJ leaving the scene that made the NBA go sour.

PS. Who are you to tell me that generalizing my views is biased while your views are considered "overall reality"?
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tfeign
Profile Joined June 2004
United States2980 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-10 04:57:51
September 10 2008 04:49 GMT
#119
I'm to tell you that because I know for a fact that fans are not more interested in watching sports due to injury to the league's best player. Fans like to see the bests compete, that is always true in any form of sports or competition, small or large, ancient or modern, team or not. Whether you are more interested or not is of course your own opinion, but it is not representative of the overall fanbase.
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-10 05:29:07
September 10 2008 04:58 GMT
#120
On September 10 2008 13:29 tfeign wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2008 13:02 lilsusie wrote:
On September 10 2008 12:33 tfeign wrote:
On September 10 2008 10:54 lilsusie wrote:
I think I agree with SweetLemons - it's always great to see new and rising faces. I was the one who was utterly thrilled with Brady's injury, call me excessive, call me what you want, but I'm so sick of him and the Pats prancing their way to the playoffs. (God I can't stand Belichick either.. but I digress) Tom's not injured forever; he hurt his knee - boohoo. The 2008-09 season is over for him, but if the Pats are really that great, then they will do well regardless. (Not AS well, as Brady IS a damn good player, but the rest of the team is still a-ok) And he'll be back next year.

I really hope that this season (Week 1 has had quite a few upsets!!) paves way for more fans to really enjoy the game - and actually have hope that their respective teams may make it far. No one wants to watch a game where they KNOW their team will lose. It's all about that small inkling of hope that keeps fans hanging on, and the influx of more possible fans.

So you're more exciting about a sport when its league's best player isn't playing? You really think that fans would rather see a watered down season just so other teams can make the playoffs? Tiger Woods's injury made golf more exciting for fans too? How about if Flash and Jaedong get injured and can't play for the next year it would make programing more exciting for fans too? Maybe Stork can then have that inkling of hope to win a gold medal.

It's fine to state what you feel, but to claim that's how the fans generally feel is incredibly senseless. Losing the league's most examplary player is good for no one. How you feel about it is an exception, not the norm.

By the way, if you can "KNOW" when a team will lose, you'll be a rich person without ever working another day in your life. Nothing in sports is ever certain, regardless of who's playing. What no one wants to watch is a watered down league.



The thing with Flash/Jaedong/Tiger is that.. well they all play single player sports. We root for them because they are our favorite player. Here in Korea, when Bisu changed teams, many Hero fans STILL cheered for their favorite team, even though a strong player left. Similarly, if Brady goes to some other team, say the Jets or something (*ahem*), TOM BRADY fans may switch alliances too, however Pats fans will stay Pats fans. League's best player? He's an awesome QB, yes, but again, I don't watch football to just watch HIM play, I watch the game as a whole. (Well, I sometimes do watch him play, he's pretty darn hot with a nice ass.)

It's not watered down, it just brings people down to a more even playing field. I'd rather watch close games than watch one team beat down on another and lose interest. Maybe you just like the domination of one team, one person, but for me, football is about the individual plays that happen between players, the tackles, the sacks, the excitement of not knowing the outcome.

And come on, sometimes you just KNOW (at least are 99% sure) that if a certain team plays another, MOST LIKELY, HIGHLY POSSIBLY one team will beat the other.

Basketball is a team sport. Michael Jordan dominated the NBA even more than Tom Brady ever had. The Bulls were literally untouchable when MJ was playing. So then when Jordan left the NBA and ended his domination, does that mean that fans were more interested in watching basketball because other teams begin to have a chance after a more leveled playing field?

Seriously, the NBA fanbase was never the same, not even close, since the days of Jordan. Whether a sport is a team sport or not doesn't at all change the fact that injury is never good for fans. Whether it be football, chess, Starcraft, or your school math competition, the result is all the same: people like watching the best of the best compete. Injury is never ever good for creating more fan interests any kind of competition whatsoever. To argue against this is only biasedly generalizing your own views and not accepting the overall reality.


You're trying to compare apples and oranges. Football is the consummate team sport; every player needs to play well on both sides of the ball for the team to win it all. The Giants last year are a perfect example: the whole team was firing at the same time. It wasn't JUST Eli's heroics, or Tyree's catch, or Steve Smith's third down conversion catches, or the two DE's kill the Pats O-Line, all those things had to happen for them to win.

In basketball a single player can take over the game. MJ did it all the time. Kobe does it now, Lebron does it. That doesn't happen in football. If it did, the Lions of the 90's would have been winning all the rings because Barry was the best player in the league, hands down.

The same goes for your Tiger Woods, etc, comparisons. All those players play on their own, and therefore have a much bigger impact than a football player would. No one's attitude toward football has ever changed when a great player has retired. Did the NFL lose viewership when Walter Payton called it quits? Barry Sanders, John Elway, Jerry Rice (granted, he quit way after his prime), Emmit Smith, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana, Steve Young, and on and on and on? People watch TEAMS in the NFL, not PLAYERS (I couldn't tell you how many times I've heard that statement). The old saying holds true here, in football, where it doesn't in those sports "No one player is bigger than the team. No one player is bigger than the league." Tiger Woods is bigger than the PGA, MJ was bigger than the NBA, that's not the case in the NFL, because you need execution from everyone to win games.

Personally, and I am really willing to bet this holds entirely true for MOST fans, I am more interested in watching the Broncos play and win, than I am in seeing Jay Cutler play and win. If Cutler were traded tomorrow, I would still be a Broncos fan. And I am willing to bet that's true, because the Packers still have just as many fans today as they did last year. In fact, "-Tonight's paid attendance was 71,004, the largest regular-season crowd in Lambeau Field history (besting 70,945, vs. Min., Nov. 11, 2007). It marked the 270th consecutive sellout (254 regular season, 16 playoffs) at Lambeau Field." from packers.com
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