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On August 24 2007 00:32 Asta wrote:England vs Germany yesterday was just a competition about who would fuck up more passes, allow the opponent more chances and miss more of his own chances. Horrible game. Show nested quote +On August 23 2007 12:29 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Overall it was the best football England has played in a long time, You gotta be kidding.
Since McClaren took over the results vs respectable teams, meaning excluding macedonia and estonia have been
0-2 Croatia
0-0 Israel
0-1 Spain
1-1 Brazil
Out of all those games I'd say the performance vs Germany B ranks as the best. England didn't play frustrating defensive football but actually opened up, and they were without Rooney. Germany was missing many top players but Metzelder and Mertsacker are definitely their first choices. I have very very low standards for England, as long as the players complete a few good moves I consider it a commendable performance. The way England got the ball forward with ease was very non-frustrating. For England, their main focus right now is actually qualifying for Euro 2008 and not how far to advance during it. So considering their recent results, England did well for the most part I thought.
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but then again I'm not british so my opinion is probably not the best informed
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national teams are dying
good players are giving it up even if they are young.
they don't really care about the national teams anymore :/
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Norway28695 Posts
that really really sucks i think
world cup is as fun as football gets.
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why does dunga keep bringing vagner love? that really depresses me
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Maybe because Brazil has a problem(sic!) with strikers ? Atm I dont see anyone special who could own place in first 11.
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Atleti vs R.Madrid in 1 hour
Be sure to watch it, its gonna be a great La Liga opener
vamos KUN!!!
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Woke up at 8 today but staying up until 4 to watch it. Also watched arsenal vs man city today, When all of arsenal's attackers continuously screw up golden chances including a missed penalty, fabregas gets into the box and scores with a wonderful finish. So glad man city finally lost, eriksson is a terrible manager, man city's good start is a total illusion
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that was some bullshit how they couldnt show the madrid derby on TV fucking BS wtf
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Norway28695 Posts
eriksson isnt a terrible manager what the fuck
he's an incredible manager. every single club team of his has had tremendous success, (I do believe he's the only manager to win the league in 3 different countries. ) in fact he's been a miracle man... and while england often performed badly, steve mcclaren certainly didn't improve things much, in fact if you look at the results erikssons england had and how they got knocked out of tournaments, it's rather good..
I guess the only reason why you feel the way you do is you're a manunited fan and you're blinded by ferguson's hatred for eriksson.. not gonna try to compare those two as managers, but you need to realize that manchester city will have had a great season, and eriksson will have done a great job as manager, if they end up in top 8 this season. nobody's expecting them to challenge the 4 greats right away, and they've been lucky / had an incredible goalkeeper, but 9 points in these 4 matches is well ahead of schedule, pretty much no other team has had a tougher start in regards to opponents..
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you EPL monkeys la liga finally started, discuss about it so I can join :D!
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Norway28695 Posts
also i have a question to germans
is Hoffenheim some kind of super rich team expected to gain promotion from the second bundesliga right away or is the norwegian league shittier than i hoped? I mean, it's been well known that the norwegian league sucks compared to any of the top 4 in europe (though rosenborg has actually had some respectable results in the champions league) but it's a little disheartening to see that two of the best players in the norwegian league both end up being sold to the same second bundesliga team.
then again they paid 5 million euros for one of them, inclining that they have more money than any norwegian team, as I don't think any norwegian team has ever paid more than 2 million for a player. but my question is basically, if hoffenheim special or do many of the second bundesliga teams have that kind of economy?
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well I don't like him but I don't despise him, I judge him pretty much solely on his results and decision making with England, and the fact that the Lazio team he won Serie A with was basically a team of the best Italians and Argentines in the world. The only reason he chose to manage man city is because he could spend at will. With England, his style of play and personnel management was really questionable at times. England is a difficult job though as McClaren shows. Man City's start reminds me of when England beat Germany 5-1 and everyone thought Eriksson was a god but then he proceeded to be mediocre for 5 years.
I admit I don't like Man City but little Schmeichel isn't that good. Against United he made so many blunders it was an absolute miracle United didn't score. I think truly impressive performances by lower level premiership teams shouldn't involve a huge transfer budget. Everton with Rooney, Wigan, Reading, come to mind.
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On August 26 2007 13:03 mAKiTO wrote:
that was some bullshit how they couldnt show the madrid derby on TV fucking BS wtf
oh good I thought Chinese TV failed again
On August 26 2007 14:29 mAKiTO wrote:
you EPL monkeys la liga finally started, discuss about it so I can join :D!
La Liga and Bundesliga will be the only leagues they show the majority of the games here. Saw the highlights of the Sevilla game, Kanoute got so good after he left England.
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Norway28695 Posts
erikssons job with ifk göteborg, leading them to winning the uefa cup and building a team that was a scandinavian powerhouse for years, is one of the most impressive managerial jobs ever. he also built a good team with relatively little money and few really good players in sampdoria, had success with lazio (although yes, there he had good players) and also had success with benfica. his performance with england was low compared to expectations, but good compared to what other coaches have managed managing england, and correct me if im wrong but they lost 2 world championships and 1 european championship in the quarter finals, world cups 1-2 vs brazil and penalty shootout vs portugal, european championship penalty vs portugal.. brazil is and was a better team than england and should be expected to beat them, penalty shootouts have always been coinflips where goal keepers are significant (and portugal's ricardo is one of the very best in the game.. )
the fact is england hasn't won anything since what, 66? while erikssons performance with them was not outstanding, had both penalty shootouts been won, which should be just as likely as them being lost, he might be remembered as one of the best managers england has ever had.. he's still one of the few managers who has consistently had success with every club he has taught, and while he has had a lot of spending money, time has shown again and again that spending money only equals success if managed well. the epl has a lot of great managers and I'm definitely not saying eriksson is the best, but is he in the top 5 in regards to earlier accomplishments? easily.
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Hes certainly had a fantastic career and is way more than qualified for the man city job. In terms of accomplishments, not many managers in the world can match him. i guess the word I was looking for is overrated. Losing in the quarterfinals to Portugal in Euro and World Cup isn't terrible result wise, but in my opinion it was the way they lost that was unbearable. Portugal on both occasions had a less talented squad, But on both occasions they showed superior mental composure in the end which is what I believe the reason they won the shootouts. The England players lacked a mental edge that the Portuguese had under Scolari, perhaps because of language, or I believe because Scolari is a better manager. Of course there were also other factors such as the absence of Rooney in both games, to injury and to dismissal respectively, but I think the penalty shoot-out was a fair demonstration of Eriksson weakness as a motivator. Luck is an undeniable factor, but losing both shootouts under similar circumstances meant there were other deciding factors.
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On August 26 2007 14:30 Liquid`Drone wrote:
also i have a question to germans
is Hoffenheim some kind of super rich team expected to gain promotion from the second bundesliga right away or is the norwegian league shittier than i hoped? I mean, it's been well known that the norwegian league sucks compared to any of the top 4 in europe (though rosenborg has actually had some respectable results in the champions league) but it's a little disheartening to see that two of the best players in the norwegian league both end up being sold to the same second bundesliga team.
then again they paid 5 million euros for one of them, inclining that they have more money than any norwegian team, as I don't think any norwegian team has ever paid more than 2 million for a player. but my question is basically, if hoffenheim special or do many of the second bundesliga teams have that kind of economy?
Don't worry, Hoffenheim is special ;-)
Hoffenheim was bought by one of the richest germans, they have a well-known Bundesliga-coach and a great team already. He's not Abramowicz (sp?), but he's handed out millions to build up a decent team.
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Hey Mandalor I got a question too, How come the move from Klose to bayern from werder didnt cause like big commotion like fans being fucking pissed and people now hating Klose? arent bayern and Werder archi rivals?
I mean in england you see heinze wasent allowed to move from man u to liverpool just because they are rivals, and heinze is a defender.. imagine if it was a striker, very very disturbing schoking, or when Figo went to real madrid after barcelona -.- ( i lost all respect and love for him)
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On August 26 2007 17:43 mAKiTO wrote:
Hey Mandalor I got a question too, How come the move from Klose to bayern from werder didnt cause like big commotion like fans being fucking pissed and people now hating Klose? arent bayern and Werder archi rivals?
I mean in england you see heinze wasent allowed to move from man u to liverpool just because they are rivals, and heinze is a defender.. imagine if it was a striker, very very disturbing schoking, or when Figo went to real madrid after barcelona -.- ( i lost all respect and love for him)
Well. Klose got a mannered and nice welcome when playing vs Werder this season. He got flowers and such stuff, because well, after all he did a fucking great job for Werder Bremen. For sure 50 % of the fans were mad and screamed and whatever.. but the players and especially the manager and trainer and basicaly every other sane person has no problem with it. Its part of soccer.
For the thing with Figo and Real.. Im glad we dont have such mad fans in Germany ( piggy piggy any1 T_T ? )
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There is no rivalry between Bayern and Werder, it's just that there's a general hate towards Bayern, but it's nowhere near the rivalry between Barca and Real. Klose had the fans yelling at him when he played in Bremen, but it wasn't such a big deal. Everybody knew already that Klose would play for Bayern in 2008.
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