EPTESL announce new ban rules, lift previous bans - Page 2
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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iXphobos
Germany1464 Posts
It doesn't matter if they're doing it in a 500$ tournament or a 50 000 000$ league. They are destroying the sport and therefore lose the right to compete at the highest level. | ||
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
On July 25 2017 09:24 bluzi wrote: I agree in general not every throw is the same ,but the lifetime bans are there to try and prevent ANY sort of match fixing because if you dont then people will have better "risk vs reward" i.e if they know they are getting 1k USD for a small chance of getting caught and the worst they get is 1 year ban it might be worth it for them , if its life time and its irreversible then the 1k suddenly seems not that enticing. You dont want to start an esport court where you have so many small matchfixng in which you need to decide punishments , as i said in the lower brackets players will sell games for 100$ , will you give them 1 month of ban due to the low money involved ? I am for VERY HARSH rules in that regard , one more thing is in regards to the environment you work in , they all more or less "work" under the valve umbrella , so they are actually hurting their employer by doing this (harming the brand) so they will face much more severe consequences , for instance in my job i might get fired (i..e banned) for things that are legal in the law but my boss would not tolerate , its the same , you need to have context in the sense that their actions are not in a vacuum they are part of Valve esport brand and in such they are obligated to certain rules if they want to play in that sand box. Why do you not want a court like solution? There are always details in this sort of things, that can both make a "soft" case of match fixing actually turn out to be way worse than a case that the public deems as "hard" or lifetime unforgiving... I will never understand people who wants all wrongdoings to be punished equally and even worse, to be punished by the owners of a game or various tournament organisers. The courts, and in this case an esport court/match fixing court is there because they will have access to all details in a given felony and can punish accordingly taking everything into account, including brand damage for the CS or esport image, as a lot of you seem very focused on. This way you avoid the general public lynch/mob mentality, takes of pressure from the organisers which are (also in this case) fumbling in the dark. It does not require a lot of imagination to think of cases where a lifetime ban would be completely ridiculous, even if you think the IBP case is severe enough to warrant a life time ban. | ||
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franzji
United States581 Posts
Now you can throw a game in csgo and get banned a minimum of 5 years? what a joke ESL is unbanning those players. How many thrown games do you think have happened that we have never caught? Valve better never succumb to the pressure of letting thieves play. | ||
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Moobla
United States186 Posts
Also, no tournament organizers had to ban them. They all chose to ban them as well because they wanted to stay on Valve's good side. They didn't want to jeopardize the chance of having one of their tournament(s) being given major status. IIRC Valve stated that TO's didn't need to ban them, but they did anyways (motivated by their own priorities). | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On July 25 2017 10:08 RuiBarbO wrote: What exactly are the new rules? It's hard to evaluate whether unbanning those players is justified without knowing how things will be structured going forward. It's literally in the article in the OP.  | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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lestye
United States4149 Posts
On July 26 2017 05:18 plasmidghost wrote: Valve lets a guy who threw a professional Dota 2 game play in all their events, so it wouldn't surprise me to see these guys be unbanned by them That guy was never formally banned by Valve. ALthough it is complete bullshit (He didn't even need to live out his 3rd party bans to their full durations). | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On July 26 2017 14:09 lestye wrote: That guy was never formally banned by Valve. ALthough it is complete bullshit (He didn't even need to live out his 3rd party bans to their full durations). Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't he banned by StarLadder rather than by Valve? | ||
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lestye
United States4149 Posts
On July 26 2017 16:14 WindWolf wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't he banned by StarLadder rather than by Valve? Exactly. He was banned by Starladder, but they just kinda forgot or stopped enforcing the ban. Joindota said they'd agree to honor that ban with their leagues (JD and Starladder used to be big buddies back in those days) | ||
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
On July 25 2017 13:44 Shana wrote: Welp, guess I won't watching any of ESL event ever again. cya @ the next ESL major! | ||
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lorestarcraft
United States1049 Posts
On July 25 2017 03:52 Luolis wrote: SC2 players should prolly look into the case more before coming into it condescendingly) They. Got. Caught. Matchfixing. That is reprehensible behavior. | ||
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lorestarcraft
United States1049 Posts
On July 25 2017 19:06 Ragnarork wrote: The argument of the life time ban as a deterrent is not very strong. It's been proven multiple time that that kind of sentence is no deterrent at all... It's literally in the article in the OP. Its worked pretty well in csgo so far... | ||
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zyce
United States649 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7103 Posts
On July 27 2017 07:00 lorestarcraft wrote: They. Got. Caught. Matchfixing. That is reprehensible behavior. And they got punished for it. I simply think lifetime ban for this exact case is too rough. Besides not like they can ever play even a major again. | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On July 27 2017 07:00 lorestarcraft wrote: They. Got. Caught. Matchfixing. That is reprehensible behavior. I think no one here is defending the fact that they should not be punished. ESL's new rule default to a 5 year ban. Which in terms of Esports is still pretty much career-ending, or at least cut your potential career by two thirds assuming you get in at 17-18 an get out around 30 (which is roughly what we see today). The discussion is more about whether lifetime or not. On July 27 2017 07:01 lorestarcraft wrote: Its worked pretty well in csgo so far... Nothing indicates there is a causation. Correlation is not causation. We have no idea if 3 or 5 year bans would have achieved the same. On the other hand, please tell me about Life. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
Eleage and DreamHack to uphold the bans set out by Valve. Good on them, I hope some of them get the next major I also wonder if people would call for the ban to not be permanent if it wasn't iBP? | ||
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HugoBallzak
700 Posts
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lestye
United States4149 Posts
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