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Vushe
Profile Joined April 2007
Canada48 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-18 08:01:57
April 18 2007 08:00 GMT
#21
Haha Marquis Elmdor, that guy was tough to steal because he had blade grasp, but I stole all of his gear.I think it was because I lowered his Brave, don't think it'll get your steal chance to 100% though, but it raises it significantly. Blade Grasp % = Brave. Beowulf is probably my second favorite character because he is so versatile and his oracle skills have no need to charge. Oracle skills are so deadly if it wasn't for the stupid long charge time. I also gave my thief concentration skill. :o Thief is such a cool class, I always use 1 female thief to charm and steal good gear like Chantages and those assassin's head gear (which is equipped as an accessory).
da)incognito
Profile Joined October 2003
United States512 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-18 08:55:39
April 18 2007 08:03 GMT
#22
Panorama, you're doing it the super hard way but I know a much easier way =D. Just lower his brave w/ a mediator or Beowulf (use beowulf since he can't miss) so that his blade grasp is rendered ineffective (instead of a <10% chance it'll be around 40-50% chance to steal) but the battle can get annoying if a lot of your party members become vampires.

Conversely, if everyone has 108 gems equipped, or whatever it is to prevent becoming a vampire, then his muramasa attack hurts a lot too so I'll have at least one member who will duke it out w/ Elmdor repeatedly sucking each other's blood.

The Chirijiraden is there, just look harder =D (I don't remember exactly where it is but I've gotten it).

There's also an easy way to deal with Wiegraf/Velius, though it was super hard when I first played the game because I didn't know the 'trick' to it, and I'm sure there are other ways. Have Ramza use the Auto-potion ability and either be a squire or have Basic Skills as the secondary ability. I've used Ramza as a ninja w/ Basic skills or monk/squire, doesn't really matter though. I assume you've gotten all of the skills in the Squire class so just use speed up(Yell) a bunch of times right when the battle starts while avoiding Wiegraf. You probably won't be able to totally avoid him while speeding up but assuming your move ability is at least 4 you wont have any problems since you don't have to waste a turn using a potion and you'll be plenty faster than him in a few rounds.


The only battle that I can remember having a tough time on is the battle where Rafa is fighting Elmdor and his two bitches on the rooftop. It can be lame because you can't control Rafa and if she dies you lose. Often times she would die before I even got a chance to do anything so now I know to have a fast member in my party.
*insert witty comment*
PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5069 Posts
April 18 2007 08:09 GMT
#23
Yeah after reading around I figured that there were very efficient ways of doing stuff . My main way of fighting Velius was primarily depending on Auto Potion (x-potions), if by chance it didn't go off I would get sad and restart . My 2nd time going through it, I had Ramza as a Samurai w/ 2 Swords and Auto Potion, ran up to him and used a ranged draw out until he had low enough hp to die within 1 normal attack. This way I avoid his hefty ass counter-attack .

I totally forgot the Elmdor rooftop fight, I hated that so much. I replayed it over and over until I figured out exactly what I had to do to have my guys tank for Rafa, then hope for a way to also get Elmdor critical. I forget the fight because the wiegraf/velius fight right before it was always on my mind . But honestly though, 100% death or 100% super-range-stop from the assassins were sooo imbalanced.
Vushe
Profile Joined April 2007
Canada48 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-18 08:17:16
April 18 2007 08:16 GMT
#24
Frankly I never used auto-potion before. I hated that skill. I just had Ramza get super high move then run around using scream I think. Forget if I get scream by then, if not it was probably yell first then accumulate and chakra monk skill to heal. Ran around in circles using the skills till I could move 2-3 times before him and chopped him down to size in 1 hit, when he transformed I had like 2-3 turns to bust his ass before he could do anything.

That roof top scene was retarded, Rafa kept getting herself killed, ugh. Anyway, did I mention I love stealing in FFT? The rooftop is the only time when assassins carry those special head gears right? If so then I actually ran around and stole everyone's equipment...the two assassin's as well as Elmdor's stuff. Forgot how I did it though... those instant death protection accessories work against assassin's instant death right? Anyway, if there was anytime in the game where a guy that carries neat stuff I always stole everything before killing them. Had rune blades before the final chapter, haha.
da)incognito
Profile Joined October 2003
United States512 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-18 08:53:46
April 18 2007 08:52 GMT
#25
Oh yea, by speed up I meant Yell -_-. I haven't tried stealing the headgear in the Rafa battle, I just beat the crap out of Elmdor or the ninja's before idiot Rafa dies. You can get what they're wearing by breeding and poaching. You can obtain every piece of headgear that way except a few things like the Genji helmet and other helmets you find in the deep dungeon, though its not easy finding the beasts that can get you the high level items such as the ribbon.
*insert witty comment*
Vushe
Profile Joined April 2007
Canada48 Posts
April 18 2007 08:59 GMT
#26
Yes I know about poaching. I just like stealing stuff so I can give it to my characters early on before you can ever poach for those items. Some stolen items can only be gotten in Deep Dungeon (Defender comes to mind)...and only Genji equip are a one time thing, I think.
da)incognito
Profile Joined October 2003
United States512 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-18 09:04:41
April 18 2007 09:03 GMT
#27
Touche. Though I'd imagine its a pain in the ass trying to steal in the Rafa battle unless if you get lucky and manage to steal on the first try =3
*insert witty comment*
Mascherano
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Argentina1726 Posts
April 18 2007 23:53 GMT
#28
I started playing this game for the first time 2 days ago.
So far I'm doing pretty well but I got a little question; Is it better to get fire then fire2, fire3 , fire4 or should I just skip the early levels and save up for fire 4 or other powerful more advanced magic?
Bisu
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
April 19 2007 00:07 GMT
#29
Depends on how much leveling and JP you get (JP gain up is an awesome technique and so are are skills that dont use mp and you can spam every turn to get JP).
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
April 19 2007 00:08 GMT
#30
I personally like straight on fights. I realize its not the best thing, but makes the battles a lot more fun.

Math was imbalanced, i use all characters generated by myself (IE no special chars, cept when you cant get rid of ramza).
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Mascherano
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Argentina1726 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-19 00:18:04
April 19 2007 00:13 GMT
#31
Well all of the guys in my party Ramza (knight) + 2 girl knights , a woman priest, and a male wizard: I gave them all jp +, accumulate and +1 move to the knights.(i think im lvl 9 or 8)

And I noticed that I had like 500 jp for my wizard and I could get fire1 2 and 3, but is it worth it?
I'm starting to realize the number of skill combinations is a lot, this game will drive me crazy...

*1 more thing, should I try getting a thief early on, or is stealing stuff more of a late game thing?
Bisu
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-19 02:00:35
April 19 2007 00:27 GMT
#32
I never really stole

I tried to avoid anything "gay" or "imba". Some stuff you steal will make you very powerful. Same with some characters. I never got a thief.

You can check a class chart too see what jobs you want to level. For example getting a high lvl knight could be good. But getting to many could be a waste cause you don't need very leveled knights to move on to the next classes.

My fav classes are Ninja, Dragonknight, summoner, BlackMage/WhiteMage, Time mage. I prefer basing my game on tactics than on imba stuff

Usually the best things to steal are later on the game.

With the mage see how much battles last for you. If you end them in 9 turns you can spam high level magic, but if your battles last more you will need to refill your mp to cast magic and maybe getting lower level magic is a better idea.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-04-19 00:36:36
April 19 2007 00:35 GMT
#33
Yep. exactly I remember beating the game and then reading rumors in Magazines on how the ending was just a footstone for a sequel, but sadly it never happened.

Like some said you never see them die. And, Olan(was that his name?), that you meet and eventually writes the book, is burned at the stake.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14900 Posts
April 19 2007 00:46 GMT
#34
I never ended up using any of the black mage / white mage stuff
Honestly I would just clone excalibur on all the chars, use the squire / holy knight / swordsman class then destroyed everyone in the first round of battle
da)incognito
Profile Joined October 2003
United States512 Posts
April 19 2007 06:11 GMT
#35
lol @ using excalibur, talk about imbalance.
For an even greater imbalance, have a char with all possible spells (time, white, black, oracle) and max out the calculator job class then become a wizard (since the MA of a wiz is the highest). gg

On April 19 2007 09:13 Mascherano wrote:
Well all of the guys in my party Ramza (knight) + 2 girl knights , a woman priest, and a male wizard: I gave them all jp +, accumulate and +1 move to the knights.(i think im lvl 9 or 8)

And I noticed that I had like 500 jp for my wizard and I could get fire1 2 and 3, but is it worth it?
I'm starting to realize the number of skill combinations is a lot, this game will drive me crazy...

*1 more thing, should I try getting a thief early on, or is stealing stuff more of a late game thing?


Hm, I haven't played this game in a few years so my memory may not be 100% accurate. Anyhow stealing is definitely viable prior to late game, although you don't have to rush to get a thief but if you want some of the good items that you can get without stealing without too much hassle try to have two people with thief skills by mid-game, not sure what level that is but probably after Chapter 2?

Plus when you get to the higher levels and enter a random battle, sometimes enemies will have equipments that a tier or two beyond what you can buy at the time so if you always want the best stuff, you're going to need a thief. You can wait for them to expire when they die but sometimes you get a crystal, which is better imo.

Also if an enemy has a skill that I don't have, I just steal all their stuff then kill them and wait for their body to expire. Since they don't have anything equipped their body can't turn into a chest so you'll get their crystals which lets you obtain their skills in the classes that your character can access.
*insert witty comment*
Vushe
Profile Joined April 2007
Canada48 Posts
April 19 2007 06:15 GMT
#36
My favourite non-hero units were Thief, Samurai, Summoner, White Mage, and Archer. I originally didn't like Samurais too much, but later on I found their draw out skills to be quite versatile and useful. Don't really need those super one of a kind swords, store bought ones are good enough. They hit an area and have 100% success, pretty nifty; plus bizen boating mages made them useless, haha. ;D Archers on a cliff with a longbow (hate cross bows, those suck) was nifty, especially after I stole some ridiculously strong for the chapter. My archers were shooting as strong as a blow from my samurai.

I usually don't like black mage's higher level skills since it takes so long to charge up that if I had knights or samurais, the unit targeted would have been long dead. I usually went with quick to charge spells until I got something like short charge.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
April 19 2007 07:02 GMT
#37
Vandal Hearts is much much more ownage than this game.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27156 Posts
April 19 2007 10:08 GMT
#38
Go to hell.
ModeratorGodfather
MadNeSs
Profile Joined March 2007
Denmark1507 Posts
April 19 2007 10:40 GMT
#39
What platform is/was Final Fantasy tactics for?
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5456 Posts
April 19 2007 11:32 GMT
#40
Playstation 1.

One of my favourite games as well. Great soundtrack too!

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