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aMSa and Leffen: The Light and the Darkness

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Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-14 23:44:49
July 14 2015 23:07 GMT
#1
aMSa and Leffen have a number of similarities: Both of them are from outside of the United States and both started out as Yoshi mains. After EVO 2013, both players became some of the strongest Smashers on the planet. Despite these parallels, they are different in the way they play and the way they approach the game.

In the last two years, both players sought to improve themselves and to be the best player they could possibly be. If there is one thing that both truly have in common, one thing that drives them to rise and play some of the best games Melee has ever offered, it is drive.

The difference was in the mindset. Leffen’s drive is to prove that he is the best by eliminating everyone else. In many ways, he reminds me of Naniwa from StarCraft 2 or EternalEnvy from DotA 2—the three of them are unhappy unless they win.

aMSa’s drive is to prove to himself that he is the best player he can be. He wants to win against the best, but that isn’t his primary motivation. More than anything, he wants to take his character to the next level. He wants to explore untapped potential and take Yoshi to his natural limits. Where Leffen is broody and angry when he loses, aMSa is joyful and exuberant, because for him, a loss isn’t a mark of dishonor—it is a clear road sign. The dialogue in his mind is optimistic: “PPMD beat me, Mang0 beat me, Leffen beat me. These amazing players are my limits. How can I surpass them?” He is the very personification of Yoshi himself; no matter how many losses he takes, he takes it on the chin, smiles and gets back up, excited to play the next match.

Leffen craves competition. He wants the best players in the world to fight each other at every tournament and prove over and over again that they are the best and to give him the chance to elevate and surpass their level.

What is this trend of top players flaking on every tournament they don't feel 300% prepared for? When did you all get so scared of losing? Well, sit out the tournaments if you want. Play allstar, stream or commentate all you want. I'll win even if you enter, so you might as well.


Just don't give me those excuses about being rusty or unprepared. That crap is silly even when we're talking about casuals, let alone a pro. So with that said: Mango, Armada, HungryBox, Mew2King, PPMD, and everyone who thinks they stand a chance: Bring it on.




In comparison, aMSa elevates Melee by example. He streams and answers questions. He’s friendly to everyone and tries to play with everyone as much as possible. He took a character everyone thought was bad and took it further than anyone could ever believe. His positive attitude rubs off onto the viewer, making him a pure joy to watch.

Furthermore, their attitudes and mindsets in defeat are completely different. Leffen broke his controller and swore to forfeit all future tournaments after his loss to SFAT (he then promptly deleted the tweet). Every loss is felt and his frustration overtakes him. Leffen is a competitor, through and through.

In contrast, after losing to PPMD, PPMD became aMSa's favorite player due to his stunning play. He had nothing but praise for Mang0 and Leffen after his defeat at their hands at Apex. Here is an excerpt from an interview about his mentality:

T.O. Joe: Touching on aMSa's positive attitude, what is your philosophy in competitive Smash? How do you approach a match?

aMSa: Melee is a game where you're going to make a lot of mistakes. What I do before I play is think about my condition that day. What kind of techniques can I execute without messing up? Things like edge-cancelled eggs, platform wavelands—things that are really intricate... If I'm not feeling up to it, I'm not going to excessively use them, because Smash is not a game where you can afford to waste your conscious thought/beat yourself up trying to pull out your execution and refine your execution. If on a certain day you can't do it, you just can't do it. I want to devote my conscious thought to completely reading my opponent's movements and their thought patterns and what they're doing in the game.

So, during and before a set, I'm thinking about my opponent, and what options I can use to defeat that opponent.

In regards to mentality, if you beat yourself up over making mistakes, or if you don't acknowledge the fact you're going to make mistakes, then you're going to make more and more and more. So rather than dwelling on things like that, you think about your opponent and how you're going to win.



Even something small like character choice shows a lot about these two players. Both were Yoshi mains, but Leffen switched characters, not only because he thought Yoshi was low tier, but also due to the fact that his opponents claimed that he won off of the lack of knowledge of the matchup. Thus, Leffen switched to Fox to kill any such excuses. When Leffen went 20XX, aMSa went 20EggsEggs.

Coming into EVO 2015, these are the two players you should watch. Leffen has just won three in a row. aMSa won his first Japanese Melee tournament in half an year. When you watch Leffen, you watch in awe of his skill and drive to be the best in Melee. When you watch aMSa, he takes your heart, and you can’t help but cheer for him no matter who he’s against (even at Apex, there were large aMSa cheers during his match against Mang0).



Both are different sides of the same coin. Both are driven by the determination to prove themselves. Leffen wants to do it by defeating all others. aMSa does it by surpassing himself. Both represent some of the best things Melee competition can provide and these two players are the ones to watch at EVO 2015.



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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 14 2015 23:23 GMT
#2
beautiful article and i can't wait to see how both of these players perform at EVO - Leffen has some mighty big words to live up to, i hope everyone is trying their hardest to take him down so we get the hottest competition
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
July 15 2015 03:05 GMT
#3
Fun write up, I want more Smash in the future.

But I'm watching for PP, give me the Marth baby.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
ruypture
Profile Joined May 2014
United States367 Posts
July 15 2015 03:09 GMT
#4
Amazing article. TSM Leffen all the way
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
July 15 2015 04:16 GMT
#5
I can't wait for aMSa at EVO. God would I love him to make top 8 and beyondl; it'll be tough, but I think he's proven he's legit. Especially given the lack of Yoshi matchup knowledge, the best of 3s will help aMSa destroy the competition.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
July 15 2015 04:25 GMT
#6
20EggsEggs
LOL

Sick article, I've never seen someone as happy as amsa he's amazing.
Leffen's drive to get better is truly insane though.
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neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
July 15 2015 04:32 GMT
#7
Leffen is the light!

What Leffen has to teach us: Never give up and don't shy away from challenges.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-15 05:33:35
July 15 2015 05:31 GMT
#8
Leffen never truly mained Yoshi - he played him a bit but to my knowledge there's no evidence he was ever a serious Yoshi main. Leffen went Fox long before 20XX was a concept.

Leffen interacts a bunch with viewers on stream and has always been incredibly open with his fans/supporters, long before he got big with TSM/recent wins.

And to paint Leffen as the only one who is motivated by winning is just silly. I get it's easy to get caught up in the meme storylines but this is pushing it a bit too far.

Not a fan of this piece.
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freeshooter
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States477 Posts
July 15 2015 05:42 GMT
#9
I think this article's got the statement backwards. Amsa has already taken Yoshi to the next level, his primary motivation IS to beat the best players and become the best player himself.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
July 15 2015 08:46 GMT
#10
On July 15 2015 14:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Leffen never truly mained Yoshi - he played him a bit but to my knowledge there's no evidence he was ever a serious Yoshi main. Leffen went Fox long before 20XX was a concept.

Leffen interacts a bunch with viewers on stream and has always been incredibly open with his fans/supporters, long before he got big with TSM/recent wins.

And to paint Leffen as the only one who is motivated by winning is just silly. I get it's easy to get caught up in the meme storylines but this is pushing it a bit too far.

Not a fan of this piece.


These points are true. He's educational and entertaining on stream, and (especially these days) is no more ruthless or particularly villainous than any other player. But while the article might go overboard on this aspect, isn't that the goal? It's not a detailed analysis, it's just a short hype piece, probably to introduce some storylines of competitive melee to a new audience, as TL restarts its melee coverage, and it does a stellar job.

But yea, I have to agree about this paragraph:


Even something small like character choice shows a lot about these two players. Both were Yoshi mains, but Leffen switched characters, not only because he thought Yoshi was low tier, but also due to the fact that his opponents claimed that he won off of the lack of knowledge of the matchup. Thus, Leffen switched to Fox to kill any such excuses. When Leffen went 20XX, aMSa went 20EggsEggs.


First, we all heard the same interview quote last week, where Leffen said that he swapped because people used matchup johns. To my knowledge, he hadn't stated anything of that sort previously, meaning that it's not really common knowledge, so you really ought to cite or link to that interview.

But more importantly, this ]mischaracterizes both Leffen and Amsa, by connecting Leffen to the modern 20xx movement (his swap was nothing like that of Hax, Armada, etc., who moved from full time maining one character at the top level to fox because they felt that was the winning way), and comparatively making Amsa sound like a low-tier folk hero. He parries, he's technical, and he plays to win. Saying otherwise seems to discredit his work ethic and paints him as someone who doesn't take his job seriously
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Athkore
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1 Post
July 15 2015 13:22 GMT
#11
Leffen never mained Yoshi, he picked him up as a fun character cause he believed he was a lot better than everyone made him out to be. Furthermore he was placing top 3 in Swedish tournaments using Fox/Falco before he ever touched Yoshi.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
July 15 2015 18:29 GMT
#12
When I saw the article on the sidebar I thought this meant TSMaMSa. A man can dream. And this man chooses to dream of aMSa EVO champ 2015
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
July 15 2015 21:29 GMT
#13
While I get that this article is trying to contrast the difference in mindset, it goes too far in its attempt to reinforce the theme. Taking Leffen's online persona at face value is kinda misguided - heck, just contrast it with the Leffen you hear in post-tournament interviews. There's a world of difference.

Comparing Leffen to aMSa strikes me as a bit strange in itself. At this point, Leffen is arguably one of the favorites for winning EVO, and might even be the best player in the world. aMSa is a good player and I love him to death, but frankly, I'd be shocked if he beat any of the gods this time around. Sure, you're only talking about mindset, but the disparity in results makes this an odd comparison.
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
July 15 2015 21:43 GMT
#14
Ever since Smash came back to EVO, Mango's won EVOs and PPMD has won Apexes. It just seems to be the way.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
July 15 2015 22:19 GMT
#15
On July 16 2015 06:29 Spazer wrote:
While I get that this article is trying to contrast the difference in mindset, it goes too far in its attempt to reinforce the theme. Taking Leffen's online persona at face value is kinda misguided - heck, just contrast it with the Leffen you hear in post-tournament interviews. There's a world of difference.

Comparing Leffen to aMSa strikes me as a bit strange in itself. At this point, Leffen is arguably one of the favorites for winning EVO, and might even be the best player in the world. aMSa is a good player and I love him to death, but frankly, I'd be shocked if he beat any of the gods this time around. Sure, you're only talking about mindset, but the disparity in results makes this an odd comparison.


Fair point; i notice the same change in personality. However, it really irks me that people do the whole asshole idgaf online persona, especially when they are relatively level headed and objective irl
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