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On January 22 2015 05:37 DEN1ED wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 05:26 Roggay wrote:On January 22 2015 05:17 DEN1ED wrote:
MLG is such a fucking joke hahaha. Torqued make both qualifier finals and just get completely passed over? All they care about is TL is a big org so more viewers. Money over integrity. Nice MLG. Quite the opposite considering the betting scandal. Yes, from a performance standpoint Torqued was the obvious choice, but if you consider the scandal, Liquid becomes a very valid option. What probably tipped the balance in favor of Liquid is maybe the fact that they also have major sponsors that can send them there on such a short notice. Also, how do you know they did not consider them. Sponsors don't get you to the events, money does. Torqued has money. The betting scandal is still just a bunch of speculation with no concrete sources. And from moes tweet it doesn't sound like MLG even contacted them. The only reason liquid got picked over more deserving/better teams is because its TL and MLG wants more viewers.
In what universe does your 1st sentence makes sense? Sponsors = money.
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On January 22 2015 05:41 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 05:37 DEN1ED wrote:On January 22 2015 05:26 Roggay wrote:On January 22 2015 05:17 DEN1ED wrote:
MLG is such a fucking joke hahaha. Torqued make both qualifier finals and just get completely passed over? All they care about is TL is a big org so more viewers. Money over integrity. Nice MLG. Quite the opposite considering the betting scandal. Yes, from a performance standpoint Torqued was the obvious choice, but if you consider the scandal, Liquid becomes a very valid option. What probably tipped the balance in favor of Liquid is maybe the fact that they also have major sponsors that can send them there on such a short notice. Also, how do you know they did not consider them. Sponsors don't get you to the events, money does. Torqued has money. The betting scandal is still just a bunch of speculation with no concrete sources. And from moes tweet it doesn't sound like MLG even contacted them. The only reason liquid got picked over more deserving/better teams is because its TL and MLG wants more viewers. That's false. At the very least, dboorn profited from the match-fixing, and that's enough to put a big question mark on Torqued.
Lots of people profited from it. But some screenshots that a 12 year old could fake make him guilty?
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On January 22 2015 05:44 DPK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 05:37 DEN1ED wrote:On January 22 2015 05:26 Roggay wrote:On January 22 2015 05:17 DEN1ED wrote:
MLG is such a fucking joke hahaha. Torqued make both qualifier finals and just get completely passed over? All they care about is TL is a big org so more viewers. Money over integrity. Nice MLG. Quite the opposite considering the betting scandal. Yes, from a performance standpoint Torqued was the obvious choice, but if you consider the scandal, Liquid becomes a very valid option. What probably tipped the balance in favor of Liquid is maybe the fact that they also have major sponsors that can send them there on such a short notice. Also, how do you know they did not consider them. Sponsors don't get you to the events, money does. Torqued has money. The betting scandal is still just a bunch of speculation with no concrete sources. And from moes tweet it doesn't sound like MLG even contacted them. The only reason liquid got picked over more deserving/better teams is because its TL and MLG wants more viewers. In what universe does your 1st sentence makes sense? Sponsors = money.
Exactly, but just because Torqued doesn't have sponsors doesn't mean they don't have money. He was acting like since Torqued don't have sponsors they wouldn't be able to get to the event.
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On January 22 2015 05:45 DEN1ED wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 05:41 Souma wrote:On January 22 2015 05:37 DEN1ED wrote:On January 22 2015 05:26 Roggay wrote:On January 22 2015 05:17 DEN1ED wrote:
MLG is such a fucking joke hahaha. Torqued make both qualifier finals and just get completely passed over? All they care about is TL is a big org so more viewers. Money over integrity. Nice MLG. Quite the opposite considering the betting scandal. Yes, from a performance standpoint Torqued was the obvious choice, but if you consider the scandal, Liquid becomes a very valid option. What probably tipped the balance in favor of Liquid is maybe the fact that they also have major sponsors that can send them there on such a short notice. Also, how do you know they did not consider them. Sponsors don't get you to the events, money does. Torqued has money. The betting scandal is still just a bunch of speculation with no concrete sources. And from moes tweet it doesn't sound like MLG even contacted them. The only reason liquid got picked over more deserving/better teams is because its TL and MLG wants more viewers. That's false. At the very least, dboorn profited from the match-fixing, and that's enough to put a big question mark on Torqued. Lots of people profited from it. But some screenshots that a 12 year old could fake make him guilty?
The convo looks very hard to fake. Plus they did track down the phone number to his actual phone.
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On January 22 2015 05:46 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 05:45 DEN1ED wrote:On January 22 2015 05:41 Souma wrote:On January 22 2015 05:37 DEN1ED wrote:On January 22 2015 05:26 Roggay wrote:On January 22 2015 05:17 DEN1ED wrote:
MLG is such a fucking joke hahaha. Torqued make both qualifier finals and just get completely passed over? All they care about is TL is a big org so more viewers. Money over integrity. Nice MLG. Quite the opposite considering the betting scandal. Yes, from a performance standpoint Torqued was the obvious choice, but if you consider the scandal, Liquid becomes a very valid option. What probably tipped the balance in favor of Liquid is maybe the fact that they also have major sponsors that can send them there on such a short notice. Also, how do you know they did not consider them. Sponsors don't get you to the events, money does. Torqued has money. The betting scandal is still just a bunch of speculation with no concrete sources. And from moes tweet it doesn't sound like MLG even contacted them. The only reason liquid got picked over more deserving/better teams is because its TL and MLG wants more viewers. That's false. At the very least, dboorn profited from the match-fixing, and that's enough to put a big question mark on Torqued. Lots of people profited from it. But some screenshots that a 12 year old could fake make him guilty? The convo looks very hard to fake. Plus they did track down the phone number to his actual phone.
And if all those people profited from it while knowing that the match would be thrown, they deserve to be punished too.
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There's 2 things all of you missing out on.
#1. MLG pays for your travels and stays so any argument regarding money for travelling to the event + staying is moot.
#2. Availability. This is on a 2 day notice. Who knows what are the torqued player's schedules (not all of the players are full time players, their real life jobs might be holding them back).
Thus, it's pretty clear with this announcement that teamliquid was more ready to go at a moment's notice than torqued was.
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#2 was already mentioned, so we did not miss out on it.
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On January 22 2015 05:50 amazingxkcd wrote:
There's 2 things all of you missing out on.
#1. MLG pays for your travels and stays so any argument regarding money for travelling to the event + staying is moot.
#2. Availability. This is on a 2 day notice. Who knows what are the torqued player's schedules (not all of the players are full time players, their real life jobs might be holding them back).
Thus, it's pretty clear with this announcement that teamliquid was more ready to go at a moment's notice than torqued was.
One other minor factor would be that Steel is already hired as an observer for them and they would have to find another one.
Granted, it would not be that huge of a deal but still.
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I'm pretty confident that MLG overlooked Torqued because of dboorN and possibly steel being in the center of the drama that caused iBP to withdraw. Otherwise, they would have at least asked Torqued, "Are you guys available to fly out for the tournament?"
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On January 22 2015 05:50 amazingxkcd wrote:
#2. Availability. This is on a 2 day notice. Who knows what are the torqued player's schedules (not all of the players are full time players, their real life jobs might be holding them back).
I agree that maybe Torqued wouldn't have been able to attend due to their real life shit, but at least contact them and ask?
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On January 22 2015 05:55 Souma wrote:
I'm pretty confident that MLG overlooked Torqued because of dboorN and possibly steel being in the center of the drama that caused iBP to withdraw. Otherwise, they would have at least asked Torqued, "Are you guys available to fly out for the tournament?"
Im pretty thats the case yes.
From MLG's pov it is definitely the correct and safest business decision so close to the event.
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Let me just say that regardless of the reasons, it's nice to be able to discuss this civilly without a bunch of random teenagers spamming... stuff?
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I just now realized that fnatic and nip were the European invite teams and LDLC had to play in qualifier. Who the hell is running MLGs csgo shit? Winning previous major should be an auto-invite.
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I don't believe recent results were included, as C9 got the invite for NA instead of iBP.
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On January 22 2015 05:43 DEN1ED wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 05:39 yamato77 wrote:
If I was MLG I wouldn't choose Torqued either, they are not a respectable team. Well fnatic was an INVITE team so it doesn't seem respectable rates highly on their scale of what they look for in a team.
Lol?
Fnatic are no torqued, let's make that clear very quickly. I may dislike the team but they are nowhere near as disreputable as moe/steel/dboorn.
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On January 22 2015 06:14 Souma wrote:
I don't believe recent results were included, as C9 got the invite for NA instead of iBP.
Ya, how does that make sense? Feels like the invite teams, and now TL, are picked based on a popularity contest. MLG prioritizing viewers over match quality. Business comes first I guess.
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I really wanted to see the ex-IBP team play. As soon Hiko joined, I couldn't wait to see the team in action in Aspen. What a let down.
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On January 22 2015 06:28 DEN1ED wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 06:14 Souma wrote:
I don't believe recent results were included, as C9 got the invite for NA instead of iBP. Ya, how does that make sense? Feels like the invite teams, and now TL, are picked based on a popularity contest. MLG prioritizing viewers over match quality. Business comes first I guess.
This is a pretty stacked tournament for a LAN in Colorado in the middle of January.
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On January 22 2015 06:28 DEN1ED wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2015 06:14 Souma wrote:
I don't believe recent results were included, as C9 got the invite for NA instead of iBP. Ya, how does that make sense? Feels like the invite teams, and now TL, are picked based on a popularity contest. MLG prioritizing viewers over match quality. Business comes first I guess.
Business will always come first no matter what, else you probably wouldn't be here talking about cs. I thought this was common knowledge. Also, just because certain teams get an Invite doesn't mean that matches quality will be lower. You will see the top teams play and that's what matters the most IMO.
I don't want to sound rude but your comment reminds me of the old days of cs1.6 where everyone was going crazy on GotFrag when changes happen because all decisions we're apparently against the cs community and it was all about the money and it's kinda sad.
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