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Hyrule19057 Posts
Right now there are no official plans to start up a wiki for competitive Melee. However, with the recent announcement and new forum and all, we're seeing a lot more interest than some people initially expected.
There has been some discussion amongst LP staff regarding a melee wiki. All of us know how hard it is to set up a new wiki (we've done it a few times now), and one of our concerns is man power. The LPD was in the works for 8 months before TL added Dota 2 coverage. The Hearthstone wiki was started several months before the HS announcement. Unfortunately, we haven't been secretly working on a Melee wiki.
I'm making this post to find out how many (if any at all) of you nice folks would be willing to put some hours into getting a Melee wiki going under the Liquipedia banner.
Please note that this is not an official announcement of a Melee Wiki, nor is it a promise that anything is in the works, this is merely an information seeking post.
Good News! The Dacia SanderoWe're moving to stage 2 of this, which basically means we've gone from "who wants to help" to figuring out exactly what our goals are and what we need to do to accomplish them.
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ugh I guess me
let's gooooooooooo
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Hyrule19057 Posts
Yeah that came up, and is one argument against Liquipedia creating a new wiki. One of TL's writers apparently runs it (which none of us had any idea about).
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Canada8031 Posts
Hell fucking yes I'm interested. Looking through smashboards tourney threads for results only to find outdated imgur links is the worst feeling ever. Too few TO's use challonge as well. I'm more than willing to help get a smash liquipedia up to speed if it means wider adoption by the scene. The sheer convenience of having easy access to results is simply unparalleled.
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United Kingdom3482 Posts
The Smash wiki has minimal coverage of the pro scene which is what we would focus on if we did do a Smash LP.
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Braavos36375 Posts
While that wiki exists I don't think the information is very up to date or organized, or even structured particularly well. There are large portions of player information missing as well. Not that it's particularly BAD, it's just that LP can be better, with better templates and faster information. We can do it!
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Canada8031 Posts
It's also worth noting that dota liquipedia was started well after two other dota wikis already existed. So it's not like there's no precedent for this sort of thing.
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I would be entirely for generally moving any competitive discussion from SSBWiki to an LP smash section, yeah. Because SSBWiki is generally for just everything related to smash, stuff like competitive profiles tend to be an afterthought, and having its own wiki specialized to it would greatly help. Also, finding old info can be absolute hell; I recall some old MLG events having little to no info nowadays, because whatever results were out there have been lost to time.
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I can see a use for this, but I think it should be organized in a way such that it's easy to update to and include the SSB4 scene, when it emerges. Yes, it's true that the Melee scene turned up its nose at Brawl, but Smash 4 won't have tripping, so the scene could end up being split even more severely than before.
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I'd be down to contribute, but I'm not too good with things like css or html if that's required.
On March 19 2014 07:45 Pontius Pirate wrote:
I can see a use for this, but I think it should be organized in a way such that it's easy to update to and include the SSB4 scene, when it emerges. Yes, it's true that the Melee scene turned up its nose at Brawl, but Smash 4 won't have tripping, so the scene could end up being split even more severely than before.
You can turn off tripping in brawl, it's not the real problem.
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This would be really cool in my opinion. I remember after watching Apex last year, my interest in Smash was piqued, and I started looking into it, but I couldn't find a good wiki to investigate the professional scene, so I gave up.
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Katowice25012 Posts
I agree with the stuff HotBid wrote.
In particular I am never happy with tournament-completeness for games I don't follow super closely and that is something LP has always excelled at.
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Hyrule19057 Posts
On March 19 2014 07:49 bo1b wrote:I'd be down to contribute, but I'm not too good with things like css or html if that's required. Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 07:45 Pontius Pirate wrote:
I can see a use for this, but I think it should be organized in a way such that it's easy to update to and include the SSB4 scene, when it emerges. Yes, it's true that the Melee scene turned up its nose at Brawl, but Smash 4 won't have tripping, so the scene could end up being split even more severely than before. You can turn off tripping in brawl, it's not the real problem.
LP wikis have traditionally not had their styling done until quite a bit of information is put in. The first few months of a wiki are setting up templates and pages as needed. Styling will be done mostly by Liquipedia and Graphics staff.
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I'd be down for helping some depending on when it starts
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On March 19 2014 08:06 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 07:49 bo1b wrote:I'd be down to contribute, but I'm not too good with things like css or html if that's required. On March 19 2014 07:45 Pontius Pirate wrote:
I can see a use for this, but I think it should be organized in a way such that it's easy to update to and include the SSB4 scene, when it emerges. Yes, it's true that the Melee scene turned up its nose at Brawl, but Smash 4 won't have tripping, so the scene could end up being split even more severely than before. You can turn off tripping in brawl, it's not the real problem. LP wikis have traditionally not had their styling done until quite a bit of information is put in. The first few months of a wiki are setting up templates and pages as needed. Styling will be done mostly by Liquipedia and Graphics staff.
So on the chance that it does end up going ahead, I would be able to contribute via uploading tournament results etc? Because at this stage in my education I find myself with an absurd amount of free time to contribute.
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Baa?21243 Posts
On March 19 2014 07:12 Spazer wrote:
Hell fucking yes I'm interested. Looking through smashboards tourney threads for results only to find outdated imgur links is the worst feeling ever. Too few TO's use challonge as well. I'm more than willing to help get a smash liquipedia up to speed if it means wider adoption by the scene. The sheer convenience of having easy access to results is simply unparalleled.
A million times this.
This is 2014 damn it I demand instant tournament results on Liquipedia and the ability to look through past results with ease.
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On March 19 2014 09:00 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 07:12 Spazer wrote:
Hell fucking yes I'm interested. Looking through smashboards tourney threads for results only to find outdated imgur links is the worst feeling ever. Too few TO's use challonge as well. I'm more than willing to help get a smash liquipedia up to speed if it means wider adoption by the scene. The sheer convenience of having easy access to results is simply unparalleled. A million times this. This is 2014 damn it I demand instant tournament results on Liquipedia and the ability to look through past results with ease.
Pretty much, lp has spoiled me rotten in sc2 
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I'd love to see this.
Would this be melee only?
No smash4/P:M.
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Hyrule19057 Posts
I don't know anything about Smash 4 or PM right now, and we only have a melee team. For starters, it would be only melee.
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I would love to help in any way that I can
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A Melee LP would be fantastic. I had used LP to become more knowledgeable about the SC2 scene, and still find myself browsing articles just for fun ^^ Melee LP would really help bridge the SC2/dota2/HS community, and give a lot of smashers the exposure they'd need to continue or even begin pursuit of competitive smash. 10/10 would forsure love a meleeLP. :D
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Question is if you have the people with adequate knowledge and time to do it. No good having a bunch of wrong / lackluster information thats half finished.
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Hyrule19057 Posts
On March 19 2014 10:31 Omnishroud wrote:
Question is if you have the people with adequate knowledge and time to do it. No good having a bunch of wrong / lackluster information thats half finished.
As long as everything is sourced, adding info isn't a problem. Staff (myself in particular) will be able to help prune out extraneous bits of pages.
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ssbwiki generally is pretty bad, disorganized and out of date. It would be amazing and such a boon to the scene to have a liquipedia quality wiki for smash.
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My coding sucks (I always view other sources as templates when I add to Liquipedia) but I would be willing to devote a bit of time to sourcing a bit of information for tournaments no problem.
I think for the scene and its resurgence that everyone seems to be talking about, this would be a potentially huge addition.
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I think this would be great with the Smash community coming back to prominence. With our own wikipedia we could do way more than the ssbwiki has been able to accomplish.
Other than just filling out results from majors and more detailed information about players I think we should have a platform for smaller communities to get some exposure as well and this would be a perfect medium to do so. I'm sure that other people from other regions that have little to no exposure would love having a way to have more people exposed to their scene and would not mind moderating and editing their own wikipedia pages.
With Teamliquid already being such a hub for a massive gaming community with the wikipedias that the community has provided and sponsoring two of the favorite players they have already done so much for the community. With the addition of a wikipedia we could push it to the next level. I'm already so grateful for TL for picking up Smash and bringing this game towards a brighter future.
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Would love to help with information, but at this stage i personally don't know enough about the competitive scene. But in terms of information on characters and stuff should be fairly easy to fill out.
I think once more people know there is a competitive scene out there (only found out due to liquid picking up players), there will be more interest in it so I believe it is something that should still be looked at, even if its just in a basic form to begin with.
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United States10328 Posts
this is literally what I've been dreaming of
a thousand times yes
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Holy fuck are we getting a TLPD? With actual global Elo rankings?
Oh and I'd totally contribute to LP as well.
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please please please this would be beyond helpful. The current smash wikis are pretty terrible. Very hard to find the information you want. And as hotbid said there is little to no detail on the smashers.
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I'll do this. I have some limited wiki experience but more than that I've been following the scene for almost a decade.
Along with the usual wiki stuff the amount of information you can collect about moves (eg. hitboxes and frames, what moves are safe on shield, etc.) is pretty vast.
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All the tournament results of the Netherlands going back to 2003 are on smash-bros.nl . Wouldn't mind porting those over into a Smash LP.
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I think smash LP would be a great help to the community, I'd be more than happy to throw in some hours to help :D
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Evo 2013 was the first time I watched a fight-game. I was very entertained by watching smash melee & SF & SF4.
I really want streams of it on "right side-bar stream section".
I know we have a "official thread" about fight-games here but I was unable to find any stream 
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Hyrule19057 Posts
On March 19 2014 15:41 Mirabel_ wrote:
Holy fuck are we getting a TLPD? With actual global Elo rankings?
Oh and I'd totally contribute to LP as well.
TLPD isn't even an option right now. We are still working on TLPD2 for BW/SC
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LP for melee would be sick.
SSBwiki is the best one right now but it's still really bad.
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This'd be super cool, and I'd love to help out. I have a bunch of experience editing Wikipedia, including managing a few WikiProjects; let me know if there's anything I could help with.
One thought- many of the people who would help /don't currently use TL's forums. This might be something to ask in the /r/smashbros too?
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On March 19 2014 23:33 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 15:41 Mirabel_ wrote:
Holy fuck are we getting a TLPD? With actual global Elo rankings?
Oh and I'd totally contribute to LP as well. TLPD isn't even an option right now. We are still working on TLPD2 for BW/SC
tlpd2? Are there any infos about that? This is the first time i even hear about it
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Sweden5554 Posts
On March 20 2014 07:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2014 23:33 tofucake wrote:On March 19 2014 15:41 Mirabel_ wrote:
Holy fuck are we getting a TLPD? With actual global Elo rankings?
Oh and I'd totally contribute to LP as well. TLPD isn't even an option right now. We are still working on TLPD2 for BW/SC tlpd2? Are there any infos about that? This is the first time i even hear about it
*uses his neuralyzer*
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there is an incredible amount of information that a LP for melee would require. There have been several smash players who have attempted to gather some of that information, so they would be good places to start
i think Sveet has posted stuff on TL before so he's a good place to start
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Canada8031 Posts
Probably a completely new system or something, because as useful as useful as tlpd is, all the extra features like showing trades didn't work out so well. The transition of players from bw to sc2 sticks out to me as being particularly messy in terms of how it was shown on their tlpd pages.
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A wiki would be SO AMAZING!!!
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Hyrule19057 Posts
TLPD was ported from an Excel sheet. We've been working on a proper system that will make life easier for everybody. It's tentatively named TLPD2.
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Melee really lacks PROPER wiki's with UPDATED information.
We're not really used to all this crazy publicity. Stuff like tutorials and guides are really hard to find right now. A wiki would help immensly.
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I signed up just to support a Smash wiki. Also, GIMME DEM LIQUIBETS.
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Sadly Smashwiki =/= Liquibets but VideoGameBootCamp has a system like Liquibets already running.
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It's a must that you guys conact people like Magus420, Strong_Bad & Kadano for this. These are some of the gurus when it comes to smash knowledge.
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As someone who's relatively new to the Melee scene (I started watching on a whim at APEX, and I have just watched the documentary last night after Liquid's announcement), I'd love to see a Liquipedia. In learning both the SC2 and Dota 2 scenes, Liquipedia has been a great help; I just look up the matchups and lineups and learn about each player/team as they play. It's been a great help for me before, and I believe a Melee one would be just as helpful for me and others. That and Liquipedia is just awesome :D.
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i want to see a wiki for all fighting games in one category that would be really cool
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On March 20 2014 10:28 URLateral wrote:
i want to see a wiki for all fighting games in one category that would be really cool
Melee is way too huge for that. There's too much stuff, too much information. Melee definitely needs it's own wiki.
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I'd be interested and willing to write some articles on topics I feel knowledgeable about.
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Liquipedia for Melee would be simply amazing, I always admired the amount of work that is put into it. Getting information on Melee has always been quite messy, glad LP is looking at it.
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Omfg I will contribute so much if this happens. I love LPD and think it's the only good Dota 2 wiki, having a SSBM one as reliable would help the scene so much, I'm down.
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I'd be willing to help as LPD for dota2 and SC2 had been immensely helpful in getting me into following the scene and I'm sure a smash version would be equally great!
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A Smash Wiki does exist but it's not really good and not used that much at the moment.
But maybe there is a chance to use articles from that Wiki to start of this new and better one.
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If anyone could do it, it's TL. A lot of people will appreciate it, there's just a lot of work to do.
Can't believe I'm back on TL after this long, I would've never guessed smash would find its way here.
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http://goo.gl/AGmeXc
here's a guide/tutorial thing i've put together that MioM said they would use pieces of.
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If a wiki is made I'll dedicate as much time as I can to help saturate it. Im incredibly interested in this as it would be a really positive thing for the community.
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Would help out a bit, really want a melee LP because it's a fucking pain to find any history about smash (prev. players/tounaments), also brackets and tournament info is not easy to find either, LP just makes your life easier tY!
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I would be glad to help anyway I can
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This would be awesome! A great thing about Melee is that their tournaments are often reoccurring. A thing that I really liked about Liquipedia in general is just the ability to check back several seasons back of Code S or Starladder and see who's been placing the last couple years. There's been a lot of great Smash tournaments in history that would love seen put into the Liquipedia.
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If you made it it would no doubt become the main source for melee tournament information, I don't believe anyone else fills this role completely. I would be down for melee on liquipedia, that would be great!
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One of the biggest barriers for entry that I find when trying to follow a game other than SC2 or Dota is that it's incredibly hard to find reliable information. A Smash wiki ran was well as Liquipedia would be amazing for someone like me who only recently became interested in the Smash scene.
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Would really love a Smash wiki!
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Sweden5554 Posts
While we apprechiate you showing interest in using a wiki, this is more an inquiry about who would want to help make one.
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Hyrule19057 Posts
Nope! We're still sorting things out. Even once a wiki is up, it always needs contributors.
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Ok well let me know how I can contribute. I don't know what work needs doing to make a wiki, and I haven't done web dev before, but I do comp sci, so hopefully I should be able to learn easily enough and contribute to the actual making of the wiki.
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I would love to help ; _ ;
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shoutouts to sleepyk, one of the big oldschool knowledge-bases in human form
i would also gladly contribute to a project like this; i probably like talking about and teaching Melee a little bit more than competing
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any update one what needs to be done right now for this?
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Hyrule19057 Posts
We're in the phase where staff is working on stuff. We'll open up general editing when we have the tools necessary for regular users to be productive.
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Sweden5554 Posts
First we need to work out how we want things done, in a general way, then we can start to fill things in after that way.... otherwise we'll end up with a lot of confusion and redundancies. although we will be improving everything anyways going forwards but it's better for everyone to start working in the same direction at least.
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