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shin ken
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Germany612 Posts
December 20 2015 18:47 GMT
#1661
On December 21 2015 00:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Maybe i just like 2D games in general. I have the same feelings about 2D Mario/Zelda games in comparison to the 3D N64 counterparts tbh.

Is there an easy way to get some idea about wc3? Like a day9 noobie video series or anything like that? Is there even more wc3 to watch?


You should watch Grubbys commentated replays. They're great and he goes into the nitty gritty details of WC3 and the orc race and explaines almost everything.

Season 1: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE1596B2540E8E0C3
Season 2: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD0UJYil0pcepmQVzqYod82wjU62EmiY2

Also you should play the game! It still plays very well and the campaign is the best Blizzard ever made.
And while the graphics may look a bit low-poly und low-res, the animations are incredible and I think all models also have lots of character to them and generally very likable.
Players used to name the first units they build in a game because they're so attached to them!

If you want to play multiplayer it's probably somewhat harder nowadays because you'll find lot's of smurfs on the ladder and there are countless of special manuevers and tricks unique to the game which are in part somewhat counter-intuitive. It's a bit like trying to compete on iccup if you're new to Brood War - lot's of learning and persistence needed.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 20 2015 20:46 GMT
#1662
only thing i really never liked about warcraft models was Arthas' forehead in the campaign
it looked so.. deformed D:

did love Wc3 though for sure
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
December 20 2015 20:57 GMT
#1663
It looks a bit weird like this:

[image loading]

But seems fine in context:

[image loading]
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
December 20 2015 22:23 GMT
#1664
There's no need to be aggressive. The_Red_Viper is taking an interest into WC3, and he hasn't played it before. Not everybody can like the cartoony graphics of WC3. It's quite the jump from SC's graphics too.

Anyway.

As everyone recommended, there's the Grubby commentaries.

On top of that, you can also check the OP. I can no longer edit it sadly, so it isn't 100% relevant anymore, but it has a few links for Twitch and YouTube that are still valid. Lucifer, for example, still streams fairly often. He's crazy though. Plus, there's some explanations in there about the core points of the game and a breakdown of all four races.

I put some effort into that OP! Read it, damn you!
I like words.
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-20 22:44:35
December 20 2015 22:38 GMT
#1665
If he had said it like that (e.g. I don't like cartoony graphics), there would have been no problem.

Not that much has changed, except for some foreign streamers being on Twitch from time to time and obviously the arrival of several Korean and Chinese streams (TVInDrA etc). Those are definitely worth it since they cast games quite often (and they don't have that thing which shows HP, Mana and buildings/units being produced which is a plus).

/edit: And there is also WC3CL_TV, casted in German(also without that observer tool).
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17297 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-20 22:51:25
December 20 2015 22:41 GMT
#1666
Heh, let me also shamelessly suggest my horribly outdated UD guide (it's 10 years old!):
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/games/31437-wc3-the-pact-is-sealed-undead-guide-by-manit0u

Edit:
Also recalled posting something much more fresh (only 5 years old!) - a different look at upkeep and experience in WC3. Keep in mind that at the time of posting all of those pretty much everyone on this forums was hating on WC3.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/games/152431-wc3-a-different-look-at-macro
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 20 2015 23:19 GMT
#1667
Thx for all the infos guys! And yeah i didn't even consider the op (i didn't expect such a good one, should have checked it out before haha)
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
December 20 2015 23:31 GMT
#1668
Oh yeah, the hate on Warcraft, as it became bigger then BW in the west.

Espacially sad, because a Liquipedia for Warcraft is something I miss every other day.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
3point14
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany890 Posts
December 21 2015 02:02 GMT
#1669
so much fun in this tournament! Yaws was incredible!! Thanks a lot to B2W too!!
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
December 21 2015 04:14 GMT
#1670
For people who understand Chinese, TED is by far the best commentator and produces tons of content. He's got a new YouTube channel where he uploads broadcasts at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYoNAaxjxhoTGCaKeDb6JUQ/videos

He's extremely insightful and also entertaining as a broadcaster. He was kind of similar to Grubby in being a player who won off of intelligence as much as raw micro.

From a historical context, TED is probably the greatest Undead player of all time, and the only Undead player to ever win WCG. He revolutionized multiple matchups to varying degrees. Most notably, he took the totally broken Orc vs Undead matchup and evened it out at least somewhat with his use of Frost Armor. He was also nearly unbeatable in Undead mirror due to his understanding of the matchup.
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
December 21 2015 18:29 GMT
#1671
TED was also one of the main casters for WCA.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-22 11:36:44
December 22 2015 11:34 GMT
#1672
At the moment there is running the offline Event PGL (without english casting)
The Event shows chinese and korean Warcraft Players but also chinese CS 1.6. Dont really know what gets streamed when and where.

Korean stream: TvIndra: http://www.twitch.tv/tvindra
Chinese stream: PGL mainstream: http://www.douyutv.com/cms/zt/pgl.html
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4167 Posts
December 22 2015 11:51 GMT
#1673
I wish we could have B2W or someone restream the Korean restream of the Chinese stream.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
December 22 2015 15:35 GMT
#1674
For those who are interested in WCA VoDs.B2W statement:

" We recorded almost every game in perfect 1080p60fps at the local computer in Yinchuan. Unfortunatly, WCA officials decided not to give us the harddrive, so we had to upload them to a chinese cloud server.. We're trying to get them as fast as possible.

Thanks to our loyal homeboy Matze, who traveled several hundred kilometers in August to meet us at GamesCom, we got a streamrip. The first few games are being uploaded as we speak.

This will cover the most important games of the tournament, the rest will be uploaded after Christmas.

This is not how we hoped it'll be, but a good compromise.
VPN and upload speed in Yinchuan was both horrible, so sorry for being late."

First game is allready on youtube, watch WarchiefRich against Lawliet:

Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8545 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-22 16:51:28
December 22 2015 16:51 GMT
#1675
thank you clonester!
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-22 17:53:33
December 22 2015 17:43 GMT
#1676
Link to the playlist and all yet uploaded VoDs
Please note, that during the Group Stage, the casters had to fight with the tech difficuilties, so some of them are not the complete matches, but only single maps. Also the VoDs seem to be abit rough cutted sometimes.

Moon vs Zhou_XiXi (NvN)
+ Show Spoiler +

HawK vs Tara/120 (HvU)
+ Show Spoiler +

Yumiko vs Reprisal (HvN)
+ Show Spoiler +

WarchiefRich vs Lawliet (NvN)
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjo3CK9dya8

This is the only link I cant get to get to work. So you have to click on it, sorry

Moon vs WarchiefRich (NvN)
+ Show Spoiler +

Moon vs Lawliet (NvN)
+ Show Spoiler +

WarchiefRich vs yAwS (NvH)
+ Show Spoiler +

yAwS vs Yumiko (HvH)
+ Show Spoiler +

yAwS vs Fly100% (HvO)
+ Show Spoiler +

yAwS vs Fly100% ( HvO)
+ Show Spoiler +



Also:
Back2Warcraft Cribs
Hawk vs ZDR Game 2 only
2 Interviews with yAwS
Final Moments of WB Final from Caster perspective

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXVhuKDtlTeX-i2Z0guVFSOtmCZ01AtX8
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
B2W.Neo
Profile Joined July 2015
287 Posts
December 23 2015 09:09 GMT
#1677
On December 22 2015 20:51 lestye wrote:
I wish we could have B2W or someone restream the Korean restream of the Chinese stream.


we asked ESL several times if we shall cast since we were in China anyway (PGL = ESL Asia) but we didnt even get a reply. we would've done it for free and skip christmas :D somehow they seem to hate us.

Thank you all for following WCA and showing interesting in the game! if you want to follow the scene, i advice to use War3Reddit.com (or reddit.com/r/wc3, which is the same).

Several players told us, that Blizzard asked them about necessary balance changes so expect great stuff in 2016
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
December 23 2015 14:28 GMT
#1678
I enjoyed all the videos I found of WCA , great tournament , and that TED YOUTUBE CHANNEL IS AMAZING !!!!!!
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-27 20:20:10
December 27 2015 20:19 GMT
#1679
Maybe some people know German and haven't seen the rather interesting news post on readmore.de about the year of Wc3 esports. Click here for the article.

Basically it looks like WCA was cashing out by far most of the prizemoney. 260 tournaments over the whole year with over 240.000 € prizemoney to win. Highest value since 2010.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4167 Posts
December 28 2015 05:54 GMT
#1680
Oh wow, there's a huge discrepancy between their numbers and esportsearnings.

esportsearnings (http://www.esportsearnings.com/games/158-warcraft-iii/list_events) says 176k usd was paid out this year, ~76% of that being from WCA and WCA qualifiers.

"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
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