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Dingodile
4137 Posts
On February 22 2020 07:46 TheDwf wrote: Units need to stand out more from the terrain, and yes colors are lacking saturation in the new graphics. The better/higher the resolution means: the background gets more recognition, the difference to foreground is very thin. The colors get pale. My real issue in ALL games. The reason why I play sc2 with low settings. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7384 Posts
From what Ive seen of WC3: Refunded's art is that it looks like they completely half assed Blizzard's usual art MMO which is readability, they design things with strong color, silhouette, and everything to make sure things read well in their games and the backgrounds look like they didnt even attempt to balance out how things were sitting tonally, so it all looks bland and washed out. Art is supposed to be the thing Blizzard never fucks up, so its really extra shameful that its fucked up here. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On February 22 2020 10:36 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: I wonder if he planned this to not compete with Anaheim. His stream would certainly have more viewers. Pretty sure it's that, yes. Edit—Actually, Grubby explained it here: https://imgur.com/KCfozc9 | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4227 Posts
On February 22 2020 20:19 TheDwf wrote: Pretty sure it's that, yes. Edit—Actually, Grubby explained it here: https://imgur.com/KCfozc9 Now that's just sad.. they really did destroy this game, huh.. Incredible. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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cha0
Canada507 Posts
On February 22 2020 18:52 Zambrah wrote: It doesnt have to, you can control for saturation and tone and color to make sure that your assets stand apart from the background and remain readable. From what Ive seen of WC3: Refunded's art is that it looks like they completely half assed Blizzard's usual art MMO which is readability, they design things with strong color, silhouette, and everything to make sure things read well in their games and the backgrounds look like they didnt even attempt to balance out how things were sitting tonally, so it all looks bland and washed out. Art is supposed to be the thing Blizzard never fucks up, so its really extra shameful that its fucked up here. It is because they outsourced all the art to an outside company. | ||
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JohnDelaney
Ireland73 Posts
Here is a preset by Bilu called Crispy Reforged (v.2) Original: ![[image loading]](https://sfx.thelazy.net/media/medthumb/Warcraft_III_2020-02-19_23-00-26_7esxkfO.png) Preset on: ![[image loading]](https://sfx.thelazy.net/media/medthumb/Warcraft_III_2020-02-19_23-00-31.png) Notice how it has less of that yellowish haze, it is easier to see unit and building models. Click here for a full-screen split-screen comparison so you can see the difference more easily. And check this and this for other examples where reducing the yellow haze makes the units more legible. More WC3:R shader presets posted by users can be found here. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On February 23 2020 03:51 JohnDelaney wrote: + Show Spoiler + There's an open-source program called ReShade which allows you to modify how DirectX 9+ or OpenGL 2+ games appear to you. It does not modify any game files, it works as like a post-processing layer between your graphics card driver and the DirectX or OpenGL application you choose such as Warcraft 3 Reforged. Here is a preset by Bilu called Crispy Reforged (v.2) Original: Preset on: Notice how it has less of that yellowish haze, it is easier to see unit and building models. Click here for a full-screen split-screen comparison so you can see the difference more easily. And check this and this for other examples where reducing the yellow haze makes the units more legible. More WC3:R shader presets posted by users can be found here. Ah yes, very nice visualisation of the light problem. That's why I often check if I'm not on a lowered quality on streams, only to find that no... | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
Dreamhack is live btw! https://www.twitch.tv/esl_wc3 | ||
GTR
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Topin
Peru10093 Posts
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cha0
Canada507 Posts
On February 23 2020 03:51 JohnDelaney wrote: + Show Spoiler + There's an open-source program called ReShade which allows you to modify how DirectX 9+ or OpenGL 2+ games appear to you. It does not modify any game files, it works as like a post-processing layer between your graphics card driver and the DirectX or OpenGL application you choose such as Warcraft 3 Reforged. Here is a preset by Bilu called Crispy Reforged (v.2) Original: Preset on: Notice how it has less of that yellowish haze, it is easier to see unit and building models. Click here for a full-screen split-screen comparison so you can see the difference more easily. And check this and this for other examples where reducing the yellow haze makes the units more legible. More WC3:R shader presets posted by users can be found here Thank you for this!! Looks so much better to me with the reshade. Now to find a way to apply this to B2W streams. Probably could do it by launching the stream in VLC and applying the reshade to it? | ||
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JohnDelaney
Ireland73 Posts
On February 23 2020 04:31 Musicus wrote: Happy interviews are the best, lmao. Dreamhack is live btw! https://www.twitch.tv/esl_wc3 Video bitrate of twitch.tv/esl_wc3 is too low according to r-1.ch/analyzer/ Stream Info Resolution: 1920x1080 Frame Rate: 59 FPS Audio: aac (LC), 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp, 189 kb/s Total Bitrate: 5368 kbps H264 Profile: Main Likely Encoder: x264 (veryfast / superfast) Stream Uptime: 2h 17m 14s Reduced Delay: Yes Transcodes: Yes (5 options via 2017TranscodeX264_V2 ) ~5400 kbps is not enough for 1080p60 at that x264 encoder setting especially when you're playing a game with high resolution textures and there is lots of motion, you need 6000 kbps otherwise you get blockiness/pixelation mainly with the terrain any time the observer pans the camera around. Either Twitch is throttling the bitrate or ESL forgot to increase the bitrate. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26068 Posts
Going to try to be positive while this tournament is streaming haha, then back to being scathing on Reforged. | ||
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Topin
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TheDougler
Canada8306 Posts
Is this thread gonna be the LR thread for all WC3 tournaments btw or how wdoes that work? | ||
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GTR
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26068 Posts
On February 23 2020 06:40 TheDougler wrote: Shit I missed it! I was on my way home to watch it. Is this thread gonna be the LR thread for all WC3 tournaments btw or how wdoes that work? I think it generally has in the past. If WC3 gets bigger then maybe it’d need a sub-forum in future but au present seems to be the way | ||
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