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nickzzang89
Korea (South)11 Posts
PC gamer compiled their list of top 100 PC games, which I've organized it in chronological order. Controversial as usual, but anything on the list you would change up a bit ? The Top 10 1. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 2. Mass Effect 2 3. Half-Life 2 4. Team Fortress 2 5. Deus Ex 6. XCOM: Enemy Unknown 7. Bioshock 8. Minecraft 9. Left 4 Dead 2 10. Starcraft II | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Inside.Out
Canada569 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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lubu42
United States314 Posts
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:13 Inside.Out wrote: xcom enemy unknown, as in the one that came out a year ago? was it really that good? No. It's a pretty good turn-based tactics game, but not #6 of top 100 PC games good. XCOM desperately needs the Civ 5 treatment. This list looks like it was compiled by a bunch of dudes in a room talking about games they've been playing recently. Some hella random ass games sprinkled in there with a light dash of appeal to popular opinion. | ||
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Imbajoe
United States857 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Diablo 3 over Diablo 2 Assassins Creed 2, which was a good game...but a mediocre PC Port job. Not going to nitpick the entire list, but those three really stood out. Plus a noticeable lack of many older classics like StarControl 2. | ||
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Matoo-
Canada1397 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
Well the list in and of itself is not terrible, however the order the games are in.... | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
april fools is here extra early I played skyrim for 1 hour and was so bored I could not even force myself to continue. | ||
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utelektr
United States109 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:07 nickzzang89 wrote: 1. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Pfft hahaha oh jesus On July 25 2013 16:07 nickzzang89 wrote: 2. Mass Effect 2 oh god LOL | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:20 WolfintheSheep wrote: Fallout 3 over Fallout:NV Diablo 3 over Diablo 2 Assassins Creed 2, which was a good game...but a mediocre PC Port job. Not going to nitpick the entire list, but those three really stood out. Plus a noticeable lack of many older classics like StarControl 2. A lot of terrible shooters over Quake III and UT2004 are the biggest standouts to me. And CS:GO anywhere on that list. ^^ | ||
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Monochromatic
United States997 Posts
Meaning that this is just some randoms guys' list, probably. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
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Brutaxilos
United States2629 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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75
Germany4057 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:22 Monochromatic wrote: This list wasn't made by the magazine PC gamer, the website says "PC gamers" Meaning that this is just some randoms guys' list, probably. It's on the PCGamer magazine site as well http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/07/24/pc-gamer-us-issue-243-the-100-greatest-pc-games-of-all-time/ | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:22 Brutaxilos wrote: XCOM? Seriously...? I saw Destiny play it once... never heard of it ever since. You must be new to gaming if you've never heard of the XCOM series. On July 25 2013 16:22 sob3k wrote: This is sure to be a great and constructive thread. Yeah I agree. I'm all for closing it instead of having 100 people come in just like I did and shit on this terrible list (as deserved as that may be). | ||
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Gerend
30 Posts
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:25 Gerend wrote: I've played every game on that list only one of them deserves a top ten and its not even SC2... Skyrim?  | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:23 oneofthem wrote: was gonna laugh but it's a random guy's list. so not pcgamer magazine http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/07/24/pc-gamer-us-issue-243-the-100-greatest-pc-games-of-all-time/ They're obviously not going to put the list online because they want subscriptions. A lot of gaming news sites are showing the same list and an official Bethesda blog confirmed Skyrim at #1. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:12 Kipsate wrote: In b4 people hammer on Skyrim. Don't need to, SC2 being above BW already makes this list invalid. | ||
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Sanders
97 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:20 WolfintheSheep wrote: Fallout 3 over Fallout:NV Diablo 3 over Diablo 2 Assassins Creed 2, which was a good game...but a mediocre PC Port job. Not going to nitpick the entire list, but those three really stood out. Plus a noticeable lack of many older classics like StarControl 2. You missed the most obvious - SC2 over SC:BW. | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:29 TheYango wrote: Don't need to, SC2 being above BW already makes this list invalid. But sc2 has cooler graphics and an easier to use interface! | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:27 Dreamer.T wrote: Skyrim #1...hmm lol. I love ME2, but I don't think it deserves #2 status. Seems to be a list compiled from fan votes, as opposed to being made from a few notable critics who have a good understanding of game history. I don't think that's true. I mean if it were fan votes and fan votes alone, pretty sure one of the newer CoDs would be in the top 3. Or maybe something like Halo 3. And you certainly wouldn't see Deus Ex (the original apparently) anywhere near the top 10. | ||
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
Warcraft 3/TFT isnt even on the list? Some oldschool dudes might even argue how groundbreaking War2 was Neverwinter Night (the original one) was definitely one of the best RPG Ive ever played, definitely up there with its sister Baldur Gates Could certainly name a few more great missing titles if my memory serves me well but the list maker might have been born after 1995 so theres no point arguing really | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:34 TheRabidDeer wrote: Arma 2 is that high? I thought people only got that game to play DayZ? If you consider that DayZ actually has its own entry on the list, Arma 2 probably shouldn't even be on there. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:34 TheRabidDeer wrote: Arma 2 is that high? I thought people only got that game to play DayZ? Oh yeah. Why is DayZ even on this list? I thought that buggy piece of crap was still a very early build of sorts? | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:34 Arceus wrote: Wow if CSGO ranks 37, CS/CS1.6 must have ranked 1. I mean, who didnt spend most of his after-school time at the PC Bang playing it nonstop? Warcraft 3/TFT isnt even on the list? Some oldschool dudes might even argue how groundbreaking War2 was Neverwinter Night (the original one) was definitely one of the best RPG Ive ever played, definitely up there with its sister Baldur Gates Could certainly name a few more great missing titles if my memory serves me well but the list maker might have been born after 1995 so theres no point arguing really Yeah pretty much. It's pretty hilarious to me how TF2 managed to make it on the list, but not QWTF or TFC... and in the top 10 of all things rofl. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:30 Dreamer.T wrote: But sc2 has cooler graphics and an easier to use interface! I still remember the days of Battle.net -2.0. | ||
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TritaN
United States406 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:27 Chairman Ray wrote: Ah whatever, this is PC Gamer magazine. The readers of that magazine are typically people who play a ton of video games, but only to enjoy each one on its first runthrough and move onto the next big title. This list more or less fits that type of audience. TBH ages ago I thought the magazine actually was fairly good--giving far more frank and honest reviews than most online media at the time. That said, they've probably been through many editorial changes since I last paid any attention to them. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:38 TheYango wrote: TBH ages ago I thought the magazine actually was fairly good--giving far more frank and honest reviews than most online media at the time. That said, they've probably been through many editorial changes since I last paid any attention to them. I guess when you risk fading into complete irrelevance, you start pandering to the mainstream. :s | ||
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Blade Fox
United States215 Posts
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:32 MasterOfPuppets wrote: I don't think that's true. I mean if it were fan votes and fan votes alone, pretty sure one of the newer CoDs would be in the top 3. Or maybe something like Halo 3. And you certainly wouldn't see Deus Ex (the original apparently) anywhere near the top 10. Yeah, then it's a "mainstream" player base vote. What I mean by that is the players who shun CoD because insulting CoD and hating on EA is the thing to do right now, but at the same time praise games like Skyrim as the best ever, which is sadly not very accurate either. Sadly for games, I think it's a lot harder to appreciate old classics the same way you can do with movies. I can watch Godfather and still enjoy the hell out of it, good plot and acting is timeless. Outdated graphics from older games won't be appreciated by the newer generation at all. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:35 TheYango wrote: If you consider that DayZ actually has its own entry on the list, Arma 2 probably shouldn't even be on there. Yea, Arma2 is #13 while DayZ is #45? On July 25 2013 16:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote: Oh yeah. Why is DayZ even on this list? I thought that buggy piece of crap was still a very early build of sorts? I heard good things about DayZ, but horrible things about WarZ (or infestation w/e it is now) | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:25 Gerend wrote: I've played every game on that list only one of them deserves a top ten and its not even SC2... Deus Ex? Anyway, the list is simply awful. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:46 TheRabidDeer wrote: I heard good things about DayZ, but horrible things about WarZ (or infestation w/e it is now) The WarZ is a worthless piece of garbage bordering on being a scam (in that they pretended the game was complete and ready to be released despite everything indicating otherwise). DayZ is not terrible and certainly not comparable to the aforementioned in that regard, but it is still very much a work in progress and that entails a lot of bugs. | ||
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PandaCore
Germany553 Posts
For recent releases I could probably agree to some of the rankings, but too many successors over their predecessors. Civ 5 is in there, but there isn't even Civ 4. Fifa 13, really? ARMA2 up that high seems odd too Skyrim > Oblivion > Morrowind, I suppose many would disagree with that as well Don't really know what Hotline Miami is doing on that list too, even though it was fun, but top 100 of all time? Nah There isn't even any GTA title, which would probably deserve a spot over a lot of those currently on the list I wonder what a top 100 would look like if the TL community voted for it | ||
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brobrah
220 Posts
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
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qqK
Germany282 Posts
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Rimstalker
Germany734 Posts
Checking now, where HOMM games are on that list... | ||
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farvacola
United States18826 Posts
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wingpawn
Poland1342 Posts
Those guys apparently don't realize that, for example, Doom I was the game that basically won for PC's the whole war against Amiga computers for the #1 home-computer gaming platform (besides, it was awesome FPS shooter on it's own). 1. Starcraft: Brood War 2. Doom I 3. UFO: Enemy Unknown 4. Diablo II 5. Warcraft III 6. Close Combat III 7. Populous 8. Counter-Strike 9. Age of Empires I 10. The Sims | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:56 farvacola wrote: Seems like an inflammatory list meant more to get people talking than actually stand on its own two feet. Most likely. Although now that it's been moved to Sports & Games, the thread is probably going to die very soon. XD | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:53 PandaCore wrote: I wonder what a top 100 would look like if the TL community voted for it Heavily genre-biased given how TL more or less represents an audience that's fairly hardcore about competitive RTS games, which entails certain views about the genre. Conversely, TL has a much more forgiving view of other genres. I know a lot of TLers look favorably on Bioware or Bethesda RPGs when there are similarly elitist hardcore CRPG communities that essentially view those games the same way TLers might judge, say, the CnC series. On July 25 2013 16:56 wingpawn wrote: Those guys apparently don't realize that, for example, Doom I was the game that basically won for PC's the whole war against Amiga computers for the #1 home-computer gaming platform (besides, it was awesome FPS shooter on it's own). I mean, "best" is probably meant to entail "most fun to play right now", and not "most influential" meaning historical significance isn't meant to be a defining factor in choosing the games on the list. That said, I'm still probably more likely to replay a lot of the predecessors to these games than the incarnations that got rated higher. I'm just going to go out on a limb and say you probably don't regularly replay Doom 1 at this point. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 25 2013 17:26 Itsmedudeman wrote: In my opinion, I'd probably have to give the #1 spot to world of warcraft. You can argue it hasn't been so good in a while, but man, that game was addictingly fun when you first played, I don't think anyone can deny that. It's also got such a broad appeal and ever since no MMO has come close. Kinda even killed off MMOs altogether by saying nothing will be as good and I've already played it for so many years so why bother. Well it depends. Do you perceive this as a "best games" list or as a "most addicting" list? | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On July 25 2013 17:28 MasterOfPuppets wrote: Well it depends. Do you perceive this as a "best games" list or as a "most addicting" list? Well, when I said addicting I meant it was addicting for good reason, not just some brainwashy grind game. It really was a revolutionary game, and it's been going strong for so many years. Just my opinion of course. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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Seiniyta
Belgium1815 Posts
Even then though, this list doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense. | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
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zuqbu
Germany797 Posts
GTR2, Richard Burns Rallye, GP Legends, Nascar 2003, Grand Prix 2 are just some examples of games that should at least be considered for any top 100 pc list. | ||
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
Im gonna go puke instead, 80% doesnt deserve any spot at all for crying out loud. | ||
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mjxn
Australia939 Posts
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
Can't help but wonder if Skyrim and ME2 winning was specifically designed to rustle /v/ or something. | ||
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
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cozzE
Australia357 Posts
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Soulstice
United States288 Posts
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Soulstice
United States288 Posts
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
On July 25 2013 17:40 Seiniyta wrote: It'd be fine if they said "best games according to the pc gamer crew of the last 15 years* then I'd understand the list a bit more, just a bit. Although SC2 so high is very understandable, SC2 is gameplay wise, campaign at least a way better game game then broodwar ever was. Yeah, the story was perhaps a bit nicer in Broodwar but gameplay wise SC2's gameplay was a lot more enjoyable. And PCgamer I assume isn't filled with gamers that play each game in and out (impossible for them). Even then though, this list doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense. lol...... Retarded list is all that needs to be said. | ||
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Aphasie
Norway474 Posts
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
Easily a top5 game of all time. I wanna see a list made by TB  | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
I remember I canceled my subscription to PC Gamer when I saw their review of DA2. Was already worse than Game Informer and that was the final straw. List is subjective as hell and holds no credence with me. Edit: Seems this isn't the magazine, but still, fuck them lol. Just makes this particular list even less credible. | ||
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publicenemies
458 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 25 2013 18:35 publicenemies wrote: Idk if Deus Ex Human Revolution is on the top 10 of the top 100 games on PC, then PC games got some serious quality problem. Pretty sure it's the original, although it doesn't make a whole lot of sense considering the rest of the list. | ||
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
This list actually makes me angry. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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GreenGringo
349 Posts
It's sad that gaming magazines have been taken over by the benighted. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 25 2013 18:39 JacobShock wrote: lol seems the top 10 are the best games after 2005. This list actually makes me angry. Deus Ex was released in 2000. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
Casual list | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
Maybe "of all time" means something else to them... | ||
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gosublade
632 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:07 nickzzang89 wrote: http://www.vingle.net/posts/165091?vins PC gamer compiled their list of top 100 PC games, which I've organized it in chronological order. Controversial as usual, but anything on the list you would change up a bit ? The Top 10 1. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 2. Mass Effect 2 3. Half-Life 2 4. Team Fortress 2 5. Deus Ex 6. XCOM: Enemy Unknown 7. Bioshock 8. Minecraft 9. Left 4 Dead 2 10. Starcraft II What a bullshit, hollywood blockbuster pukefest top 10. fallout series? counter strike? neverwinter? original half life? BROODWAR?? this is just beyond retarded. | ||
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
and Half Life 2 was released in 2004, I was exaggerating. | ||
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
Seems like they're just pandering to a mass audience by listing the most popular games of recent years for the most part, rather than making a list of what they feel are actually the best games. | ||
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
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Gotard
Poland446 Posts
My random 1. Wolfenstein Enemy Territory 2. Starcraft Broodwar 3. Quake 3 4. Half life 5. Portal 2 6. Rollercoaster Tycoon 7. Warcraft 3 8. DOTA 2 9. Unreal Tournament 2004 10. Stronghold (and Stronghold: Crusader) 11. Call of Duty (1,2,4) 12. Total War (series) 13. C&C Generals 14. Heroes of Might and Magic 3 15. Alan Wake (My favorite band made a few songs for that game) 16. Grand Theft Auto 2 17. Crysis 18. Commandos: Beyond the Call of Duty 19. Age of Empires (1,2) And some more that I can't recall right now... | ||
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HeatEXTEND
Netherlands836 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
The whole concept of a ranked list of best games is flawed in itself, though, because games released at different times have to be judged with different parameters and the parameters for older games inevitably become forgotten. Even if reviewers try to compensate for it (while discounting their nostalgia factor), newer games end up with the advantage. Can we say that by todays standards System Shock 2 is inferior to Bioshock? Sure. But how was it as an experience compared to other 1999 games? They did throw a bone to older gamers by having Deus Ex in the top 10, though | ||
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CutieBK
Sweden227 Posts
I mean, Dragon Age: Origins over Baldur's Gate 2? Civ 5 instead of 4? Etc. Not to bash on their own personal oppinions, but looking at this list you'd think the last 20 years of games never happened :D | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
1. transformers 1 2. transformers 2 3. transformers 3 4. pacific rim 5. avengers 6-100. anything with big explosions | ||
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Mannerheim
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
I'm up for TL making it's own top 100 PC games of all time. | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
God damn Skyrim is first while likes of Fallout, KOTOR, Chrono Trigger didn't even make the list, seriously... Hiking and modding simulators for life I guess. | ||
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Brett
Australia3820 Posts
On July 25 2013 21:02 Vaelone wrote: It's like a list of name random games you come up with in random order. God damn Skyrim is first while likes of Fallout, KOTOR, Chrono Trigger didn't even make the list, seriously... Hiking and modding simulators for life I guess. ....PC games... | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On July 25 2013 20:58 Badfatpanda wrote: This is a horrific list. I usually take these into consideration and can understand the justification for certain picks but this is just a big troll. I'm up for TL making it's own top 100 PC games of all time. tl had a compition/poll about what was the best video game of all time, but can't seem to find it anymoreTT we could use it as a top 50 and use the results from that compitition | ||
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Altsa
Finland990 Posts
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
On July 25 2013 21:06 sabas123 wrote: tl had a compition/poll about what was the best video game of all time, but can't seem to find it anymoreTT we could use it as a top 50 and use the results from that compitition Yeah, I remember it. | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
can you link it to me? | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
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FredSanford
United States70 Posts
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laegoose
Russian Federation325 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:...Plus a noticeable lack of many older classics like StarControl 2. Yeah, it's crazy how many details each race 'personality' had, not something you see in modern games. Even though it was easy to get stuck and don't know what to do next. | ||
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
Ah right I played through it on emulator last time so my mind synced it with PC, well whatever still a ton of PC-only RPG's more deserving than Skyrim. | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=388854 I think he means this thread, where WC3 won | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
anyway, just opinions by one dude or maybe a couple of dudes... no shit a list in a popular gaming magazine/website isn't hardcore enough for most people on tl | ||
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JazVM
Germany1196 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + my list of greatest games in random order: Morrowind Baldurs Gate 2: Shadows of Amn Diablo 2 iRacing GTR rFactor Planescape: Tournament Unreal Tournament Medal of Honor: Allied Assault Xcom Heroes of Might and Magic Starcraft 2 Colonization (the dos one) Civilization Company of Heroes Fallout MTGO Final Fantasy 7, 8, 9 | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
There are some that are just .... : "NO NO NO AND NO !" Dragon age over Baldur's gate II ... no... just no. Maybe not over mass effect 2... but the best RPG (for me) of all time. Lol over BW... Evry shooter over Quake III... Roller coaster tycoon over red alert... Modern warfare over Vampire blood line... (Although it's a different game. I can't put a 5H single player over Bloodlines) I think the order is complete bullshit but the game list includes a lot of great great games... For the people that would want to try games of this list. You can. Because they are all great games. Played 80% of this list i guess. For exemple i think the Call of Duty is utter shit. But i can't deny that it's a great game (really well done, and a big multiplayer). But i hate this (health regenerating and the gameplay that i don't like)... But that "normal". I'm old. For me a FPS is called a Doom-like or Quake-like :p Also even the images don't match the games (sometimes) Deus Ex pictures is Human revolution :p I don't understand why people hate on Skyrim. With mods this game is really deep. That's a game that will take your time (more than 200Hours) as a game should take you. But hey I don't like CoD so :p | ||
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Microchaton
France342 Posts
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
Basically everything I'd rather see on this has already been mentioned by a lot of TL people, so at least I know we've got taste here. | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
On July 25 2013 21:52 clusen wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=388854 I think he means this thread, where WC3 won Yup! | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
most popular pc games of all time? | ||
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MrMercuG
Netherlands2389 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/72/Homer_shiningspoof.PNG) | ||
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wingpawn
Poland1342 Posts
The Top 10: 1. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 2. Mass Effect 2 3. Half-Life 2 4. Team Fortress 2 5. Deus Ex 6. XCOM: Enemy Unknown 7. Bioshock 8. Minecraft 9. Left 4 Dead 2 10. Starcraft II | ||
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KingDime
Canada750 Posts
On July 25 2013 17:04 TheYango wrote: Heavily genre-biased given how TL more or less represents an audience that's fairly hardcore about competitive RTS games, which entails certain views about the genre. Conversely, TL has a much more forgiving view of other genres. I know a lot of TLers look favorably on Bioware or Bethesda RPGs when there are similarly elitist hardcore CRPG communities that essentially view those games the same way TLers might judge, say, the CnC series. I mean, "best" is probably meant to entail "most fun to play right now", and not "most influential" meaning historical significance isn't meant to be a defining factor in choosing the games on the list. That said, I'm still probably more likely to replay a lot of the predecessors to these games than the incarnations that got rated higher. I'm just going to go out on a limb and say you probably don't regularly replay Doom 1 at this point. I think you would be shocked how many people still play doom to this day. Just check out the doomworld forums, surprisingly large for a game made in 1993, hell the game has probably grown in the recent years. It just hasn't quickly transitioned to streaming as the community tended to use demos. Heck, the brutal doom mod has had 860000 downloads since release in 2010. EG.Puppey has played the game on stream etc and competnrecords speedrunning site is being reactivated. I couldn't care less about a top 100 games list but implying that doom is not played today is completely false. If a lot of people still play it today, I would assume that it's still "fun to play right now". | ||
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TimENT
United States1425 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 26 2013 01:44 TimENT wrote: Hell yeah Skyrim deserves it. It's the most heavily modded game Source? (no pun intended) | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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GrapeApe
1053 Posts
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HeatEXTEND
Netherlands836 Posts
On July 25 2013 20:19 Sbrubbles wrote: Can we say that by todays standards System Shock 2 is inferior to Bioshock? If we are talking graphics, sure. FYP, no problem | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 26 2013 01:37 KingDime wrote: I think you would be shocked how many people still play doom to this day. Just check out the doomworld forums, surprisingly large for a game made in 1993, hell the game has probably grown in the recent years. It just hasn't quickly transitioned to streaming as the community tended to use demos. Heck, the brutal doom mod has had 860000 downloads since release in 2010. EG.Puppey has played the game on stream etc and competnrecords speedrunning site is being reactivated. I couldn't care less about a top 100 games list but implying that doom is not played today is completely false. If a lot of people still play it today, I would assume that it's still "fun to play right now". Interesting. I'll have to check it out. Yeah I can see his argument, but SS2 vs. Bioshock was actually a pretty shitty example to use because there are a lot of things that SS2 actually does do better than Bioshock, graphics aside. | ||
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Maxyim
430 Posts
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KingDime
Canada750 Posts
Sounds good Yango, and if you need any help getting started with source ports etc etc etc, you can ask me, the walking doom encyclopedia. It has a long history, kind of like brood war in a way except insert speedrunning instead of e-sports. I get very passionate about doom | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:21 VayneAuthority wrote: starcraft II 70 spots above SCBW and skyrim #1. april fools is here extra early I played skyrim for 1 hour and was so bored I could not even force myself to continue. Really? The first hour of Skyrim was the best part of the whole game. The first dragon was pretty epic, and your first dragon kill was pretty epic. After that the game got pretty tedius. | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
Yep. Just a popularity contest, and thus completely void. While every single "top X games" list has their problems and I take issue with all of them, this is one of the worst lists I've ever seen. Fucking abysmal. | ||
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JacobNX01a
United States65 Posts
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
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Asamov
United States13 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
Pretty funny, had a good laugh. | ||
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mavignon
France369 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
46. Dark Souls" LOL, how is DayZ even on this list, this game is the biggest failure ever (added Dark Souls just to show how idiotic this choice is). | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
far cry 2 was the worst of all far cry....the only good thing about the list is dota 2 ranked higher than league of noobs | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On July 26 2013 05:06 Roggay wrote: "45. DayZ 46. Dark Souls" LOL, how is DayZ even on this list, this game is the biggest failure ever (added Dark Souls just to show how idiotic this choice is). The entire list is comedy gold There is no way they were serious when they made it. | ||
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lenjurik
49 Posts
Quake 3 Arena SC:BW Red Alert 1 Warcraft 2 Civ 2 Everquest Ultima Online Asheron's Call Imperium Galactica 2 King Quest 6 Diablo 1 / Diablo 2 Daggerfall Really? Not even 1 of my favoritres on the top 10? Okay, maybe Deus Ex (THE ORIGINAL) belongs there... These games are my own opinion of what's best, but I don't think you can dispute this list is total garbage. | ||
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FakePseudo
Belgium716 Posts
On July 26 2013 01:48 Noocta wrote: More like top10 PC Games of recent year for people who have no idea about PC Gaming. This exactly. | ||
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ReMinD_
Croatia846 Posts
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
wat | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
also, saw that theme hospital made it to #53 hahaha this game is so much fun :D | ||
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MilkDud
Canada73 Posts
Doom 2 Quake 3 Civilization 1 Half Life 2 Diablo 2 Warcraft 3 World of Warcraft Portal Broodwar C&C If it started out on any platform other than PC, it doesn't count (including its predecessors) If it was made within the last 5 years it doesn't count (nothing as epic as these games has been made recently) | ||
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Papulatus
United States669 Posts
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On July 26 2013 06:34 JoeCool wrote: Half Life 2 is the most overrated game of all time. thats for sure. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On July 26 2013 06:27 MilkDud wrote: In no particular order, this is how the list should have been: Doom 2 Quake 3 Civilization 1 Half Life 2 Diablo 2 Warcraft 3 World of Warcraft Portal Broodwar C&C If it started out on any platform other than PC, it doesn't count (including its predecessors) If it was made within the last 5 years it doesn't count (nothing as epic as these games has been made recently) See, I think Civ 4 was the best out of the franchise, and again personally I found Half-life 1 to be better than the second. I never played the portal games so I have no idea how good they are, but they seem to have a small cult following. All these sort of lists are just opinions though. | ||
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Merany
France890 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
Skyrim? | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
My personal favorite games of all time that I've played the longest and/or enjoyed alot : SC BW Warcraft 3 ( Dota ) Half life 1( CS 1.6 ) Planescape Torment I can name another 10 to 20 games that are really great but theese stand on top of all for me . | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
Perhaps if you're only 20 years old and never played it when it first came out, sure. For the time that it came it out it was fucking amazing. Not overrated in the slightest. This list however, is trash. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 26 2013 07:08 Infernal_dream wrote: Perhaps if you're only 20 years old and never played it when it first came out, sure. For the time that it came it out it was fucking amazing. Not overrated in the slightest. This list however, is trash. It's definitely not as strong as the original, I mean the combat is pretty trash. It succeeds in every other aspect though. It's overrated in that it's not a 10 but a 9, on a scale from 1 to 10. | ||
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castleeMg
Canada760 Posts
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FeUerFlieGe
United States1193 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:21 utelektr wrote: Pfft hahaha oh jesus oh god LOL At least it wasn't Mass Effect 3. Mass Effect 2 was actually quite enjoyable. I honestly would have had Minecraft at the top of the list. There's just so much that can be done with that game. | ||
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castleeMg
Canada760 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 26 2013 07:11 LaZeRKiD45 wrote: is this of all time? where is mario 64, supersmash bros, sonic, broodwar, grand theft auto and all the other legendary games that they didnt include in the top10?? the games on this list are no doubt good but i know for a fact that XCOM and left for dead 2 are deffinatly not worth being on a top 10 video games of all time list You apparently didn't read the fact that it's PC games specifically. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On July 26 2013 07:14 LaZeRKiD45 wrote: league of legends at 34, this website is trolling Actually, they got that one about right :D I would put it further down, but well, its acceptable. | ||
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FeUerFlieGe
United States1193 Posts
I always thought Minecraft was more heavily modded. I mean it's written in Java and the graphics are so simple, just about anyone can mod it with some practice. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On July 26 2013 07:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote: It's definitely not as strong as the original, I mean the combat is pretty trash. It succeeds in every other aspect though. It's overrated in that it's not a 10 but a 9, on a scale from 1 to 10. For a 2004 release, the thing had some of the best ideas of it's time. A physic engine like the one in HL² was revolution at the time. | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On July 26 2013 07:08 Infernal_dream wrote: Perhaps if you're only 20 years old and never played it when it first came out, sure. For the time that it came it out it was fucking amazing. Not overrated in the slightest. This list however, is trash. Half Life 2? Just for the record I´m not talking about Oppossing Force. Half Life + OF were milestones in gaming history, but Half Life 2 wasn´t more than an ordinary FPS. Well after all it´s just my opinion. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
diablo 3 is on there and diablo 2 isnt even listed lol what a joke. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
I don't even understand the list. I can possibly see an argument for Skyrim, due to its mods and the ambiguity of the term 'Greatest' (ie Skyrim is not the best game, but you can do more awesome things with it than any other modern game), and maaaaybe some people prefer Fallout 3 to NV (again, maybe the 'Greatness' thing comes into play since it revived the franchise). But some of these are just nonsensical. ARMA 2 is #13 and DayZ is #45? Combined I don't think they're even in the top 100, and certainly not separate. The best advice is to just not visit PC Gamer to call them idiots, because that's probably what they're going for. It's the Gawker technique to journalism - say a bunch of moronic crap -> get hits. | ||
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Tosstriss
Canada334 Posts
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
For me, The Last of Us was one of the best games I've ever played. I'm not sure if it would be "the" greatest, but I'm sure I'd consider it for one of the contenders. It's a solid experience of an amazing story/presentation coupled with fun but simple gameplay. Red Dead Redemption is one of those titles that I feel lucky to experience. It was such a great game. Sanitarium is a game I won't ever forget for the rest of my life. It is kind of like a bundle of emotions, fright, regret, terror, curiosity and sadness. Far Cry 3 was probably the best single player FPS I've ever played since Half Life 2. Assassin's Creed 2 was also really good, because of how much it improved on the original. There was also something magical about being a young assassin bent on revenge, walking down in streets of Venice and Florence, all the while discovering the hidden tombs and deciphering the messages inside. Diablo 2: LOD is probably the greatest hack and slash of all time. Diablo 3 is a good game, but it can't get close to its big brother. WoW before WOTLK (excluding Ulduar) was such a unique and amazing MMO experience. Too bad they had to dumb down the game entirely to keep growing sub numbers. (which they can't keep anymore) For Turn based strategy games, my all time favourite is Master of Orion 2. I played that game for so long, I love it so much. Civ series is also a long time favourite of mine. Mass Effect 2 and Witcher 2 are also my favourites. Both are pretty solid games. | ||
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Ettick
United States2434 Posts
Why CS: GO instead of 1.6? Why SC2 instead of BW? Why Sim City 4 instead of 2000? Skyrim is not the best game ever made. DayZ is not technically a game. Eve online is not better than WoW. Holy shit, TF2 is not the fucking best multiplayer FPS ever made. This list sucks so much... Though it's good to see SC2 so high, I can actually sort of agree with where it's placed overall. | ||
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
SC2 above BW? This list is nothing but a big joke. | ||
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Tosstriss
Canada334 Posts
On July 26 2013 08:19 Bleak wrote: I agree that the list was pretty bad. For me, The Last of Us was one of the best games I've ever played. I'm not sure if it would be "the" greatest, but I'm sure I'd consider it for one of the contenders. It's a solid experience of an amazing story/presentation coupled with fun but simple gameplay. Red Dead Redemption is one of those titles that I feel lucky to experience. It was such a great game. Sanitarium is a game I won't ever forget for the rest of my life. It is kind of like a bundle of emotions, fright, regret, terror, curiosity and sadness. Far Cry 3 was probably the best single player FPS I've ever played since Half Life 2. Assassin's Creed 2 was also really good, because of how much it improved on the original. There was also something magical about being a young assassin bent on revenge, walking down in streets of Venice and Florence, all the while discovering the hidden tombs and deciphering the messages inside. Diablo 2: LOD is probably the greatest hack and slash of all time. Diablo 3 is a good game, but it can't get close to its big brother. WoW before WOTLK (excluding Ulduar) was such a unique and amazing MMO experience. Too bad they had to dumb down the game entirely to keep growing sub numbers. (which they can't keep anymore) For Turn based strategy games, my all time favourite is Master of Orion 2. I played that game for so long, I love it so much. Civ series is also a long time favourite of mine. Mass Effect 2 and Witcher 2 are also my favourites. Both are pretty solid games. Wait you know its PC games and RDR and TLoU aren't PC games. | ||
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Zariel
Australia1285 Posts
To be honest, it's also about relativity, are they talking about # of copies sold? $ made? % of population played? If you think of it, why would they want to put old titles in there when gaming companies can get more revenue by the magazines posting up newer titles. They simply slipped in a few classics far down the list just to keep some readers content that the game made it to top 100. I'm really surprised that WC3 is not even there whilst dota 2 is. If this was based off the most played game during the longest period of time, Half Life 1 would easily take the cake. | ||
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Valeranth
United States100 Posts
On July 26 2013 07:24 JoeCool wrote: Half Life 2? Just for the record I´m not talking about Oppossing Force. Half Life + OF were milestones in gaming history, but Half Life 2 wasn´t more than an ordinary FPS. Well after all it´s just my opinion. Half life 2 was the first game with a IK physics system. This allows characters to grab objects and such, so that was a big deal. Not sure if it warrants a top 10 though. | ||
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Nick!
Scotland701 Posts
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Madder
Australia427 Posts
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sc_a.M
420 Posts
On July 26 2013 09:18 Zariel wrote: It's just a list of those companies that paid more to be higher on the list. To be honest, it's also about relativity, are they talking about # of copies sold? $ made? % of population played? If you think of it, why would they want to put old titles in there when gaming companies can get more revenue by the magazines posting up newer titles. They simply slipped in a few classics far down the list just to keep some readers content that the game made it to top 100. I'm really surprised that WC3 is not even there whilst dota 2 is. If this was based off the most played game during the longest period of time, Half Life 1 would easily take the cake. WoW, cs, war3 (including dota), and soon LoL. | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
My personal favorites after that that should belong near the top 10: Starcraft 2, Mass Effect 2 (except ME3's ending makes replaying any of the series feel pointless). Half-Life 1, perhaps, except both games give me headaches. I can't really argue with Skyrim, Minecraft, WoW, being near the top. Doom should be higher up as well. DAO at #24. That's one that feels about right, maybe I'd scoot it up to 20. DX:HR, while I like it a lot, seems a bit high. These lists seem more whack every year. I remember the good old days when they'd put Doom at #1 (though it belongs after SC1). Edit: If they're going for the modern games approach, Witcher 2 should be higher on their list. I'd also put it top 20. | ||
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DDie
Brazil2369 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:20 WolfintheSheep wrote: Fallout 3 over Fallout:NV Diablo 3 over Diablo 2 Assassins Creed 2, which was a good game...but a mediocre PC Port job. Not going to nitpick the entire list, but those three really stood out. Plus a noticeable lack of many older classics like StarControl 2. Fallout 3 was better than Nv, and fallout 1 was better than both, so.. Also skyrim being first and oblivion 73º, with morrowind at the bottom, rite. One could say the entire list is bullshit but again, that is the writer personal opinion, but yeah, the fact that he listed Diablo 3 and not Diablo 2 just speak for itself. | ||
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Kevan
Sweden2303 Posts
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
It's a crock of shit designed to reel in people offended at this blatant rubbish. Must be suffering to meet their monthly sales or something, because this is just laughably bad trolling. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
Well really I think this just reiterates the fact that no one should care about what other people's lists are. its all subjective, and to many it will appear to be complete nonsense. If I recall correctly I was so bored playing Skyrim that I had to stop part way through and pick it up later. Their games have no substance...all the quests are boring 'laundry list' quests that numb your brain. Also as usual the dialogue options were poor. Its a sad joke that Skyrim is even considered an RPG. How low our standards have fallen, or maybe they're just PC Gamer's standards. | ||
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Mutaller
United States1051 Posts
TF2 has goofy ass graphics. Minecraft being the best sandbox game deserves it rating but I still hate the game. The other top 10 I don't mind that they are higher than SC2 1. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 2. Mass Effect 2 3. Half-Life 2 4. Deus Ex 5. Bioshock 6. Left 4 Dead 2 7. Minecraft sand box game for babies. 8. Starcraft II 9. Team Fortress 2 Call of Duty for people with no money 10. XCOM: Enemy Unknown Dumb game takes no skill. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On July 26 2013 10:30 radscorpion9 wrote: Horrible, horrible horrible. I'm okay with Deus Ex. But Skyrim as #1? I'm just shocked. . agree | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On July 26 2013 10:39 reps)squishy wrote: I rate games on spectate value. XCOM should be near last. TF2 has goofy ass graphics. Minecraft being the best sandbox game deserves it rating but I still hate the game. The other top 10 I don't mind that they are higher than SC2 1. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 2. Mass Effect 2 3. Half-Life 2 4. Deus Ex 5. Bioshock 6. Left 4 Dead 2 7. Minecraft sand box game for babies. 8. Starcraft II 9. Team Fortress 2 Call of Duty for people with no money 10. XCOM: Enemy Unknown Dumb game takes no skill. Wow, your list would be so much better. | ||
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BreakfastBurrito
United States893 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17257 Posts
2. Minesweeper 3. PacMan 4. Super Mario Bros. 5. Dune 2 6. Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne 8. Quake 7. Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War 9. C&C: Red Alert 10. Unreal Tournament 2004 11. Diablo 12. StarCraft: Brood War 13. Planescape: Torment 14. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind 15. System Shock 16. Portal 17. Bomberman 18. Scorched Earth 19. Colin MacRae Rally 2.0 20. Heroes of Might & Magic III 21. Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory 22. Journey 23. WipeOut HD 24. Virtua Fighter V 25. Flower Top 25 games I keep playing and returning to (order is a bit random, I can't rate one over the other). Must be the best games ever (I even included some modern console games so it's not just nostalgia). | ||
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GreenGringo
349 Posts
Does anyone know of any games from the last 4 years, aside from the ones I've mentioned, that could credibly make it on a best games ever list? I think we can safely ignore PC Gamer's list. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:07 nickzzang89 wrote: http://www.vingle.net/posts/165091?vins PC gamer compiled their list of top 100 PC games, which I've organized it in chronological order. Controversial as usual, but anything on the list you would change up a bit ? The Top 10 1. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 2. Mass Effect 2 3. Half-Life 2 4. Team Fortress 2 5. Deus Ex 6. XCOM: Enemy Unknown 7. Bioshock 8. Minecraft 9. Left 4 Dead 2 10. Starcraft II Very few "Top X best Y" lists can be trusted. 99% of them, including this one, are simply popularity contests. As great as Skyrim is, it's not as good as Morrowind, LFD2 isn't as good as the first, ME2/XCOM/Minecraft definitely shouldn't be in the top ten, and there are a whole host of other problems. Anyone who actually knows their gaming history should not be a fan of this list. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On July 26 2013 23:26 GreenGringo wrote: DotA 2, League of Legends and Fallout: New Vegas seem to be definitely up there as some of the best games ever made. Apart from those, I'm not sure there's anything from the last 4 years that would make it on a best games ever list. At least there's none that I can think of. I wouldn't include Mass Effect 2 because it's more like a movie than a game. Maybe Dragon Age: Origins. Possibly Dark Souls, although the difficulty of that game prevents most people from getting much out of it (and I have to admit I haven't yet finished it). Does anyone know of any games from the last 4 years, aside from the ones I've mentioned, that could credibly make it on a best games ever list? I think we can safely ignore PC Gamer's list. Bioshock Infinite, Dark Souls. While I personally found Metro Last Light to be one of the best story driven stealth/fps out there, I could understand why a lot of people wouldn't praise it as much as I did. It's pretty niche I guess. But definitely Bioshock Infinite and Dark Souls. | ||
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GreenGringo
349 Posts
On July 27 2013 00:03 AnomalySC2 wrote: Metro Last Light seems very interesting and I'll check it out.Bioshock Infinite, Dark Souls. While I personally found Metro Last Light to be one of the best story driven stealth/fps out there, I could understand why a lot of people wouldn't praise it as much as I did. It's pretty niche I guess. But definitely Bioshock Infinite and Dark Souls. Dark Souls, yes: definitely a great game. Up there with Castlevania: Symphony of Night (and Wonderboy in Monster World, although maybe I'm being too nostalgic) as one of the best open world action RPGs ever made. Bioshock Infinite was fun, but I get the feeling that like Mass Effect 2 the gameplay is added on to the cut-scenes rather than the cut scenes being added on to the gameplay. It feels like a movie would have been more appropriate. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 27 2013 00:01 Stratos_speAr wrote: LFD2 isn't as good as the first The what now? It boggles my mind that people still claim this... -_- | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On July 27 2013 00:22 GreenGringo wrote: Metro Last Light seems very interesting and I'll check it out. Dark Souls, yes: definitely a great game. Up there with Castlevania: Symphony of Night (and Wonderboy in Monster World, but maybe I'm being too nostalgic) as one of the best open world action RPGs ever made. Bioshock Infinite was fun, but I get the feeling that like Mass Effect 2 the gameplay is added on to the cut-scenes rather than the cut scenes being added on to the gameplay. It feels like a movie would have been more appropriate. Symphony of the Night should definitely be on anyone's best of x video game list somewhere. I kind of see where you're coming from with Bioshock Infinite playing out like a movie, but I don't really mind that so much. Still, it's not exactly adventure game level story > gameplay, and some of my favorite moments in the game were from zipping along railways while stuff was blowing up all over the place. On July 27 2013 00:23 MasterOfPuppets wrote: The what now? It boggles my mind that people still claim this... -_- Dunno either. It's the same thing just upgraded in every single way. | ||
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adwodon
United Kingdom592 Posts
On July 27 2013 00:03 AnomalySC2 wrote: Bioshock Infinite, Dark Souls. While I personally found Metro Last Light to be one of the best story driven stealth/fps out there, I could understand why a lot of people wouldn't praise it as much as I did. It's pretty niche I guess. But definitely Bioshock Infinite and Dark Souls. Bioshock Infinite is an unfinished, poorly designed game with a mildly interesting story which doesn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny. Its set pieces sucked all their design focus away, take them out and you're left with a terrible FPS with conflicting mechanics. Seriously whoever had the bright idea of having you run around looting corpses for health packs mid fight in a game with hit scan weapons and a tiny almost non-existent regen shield does not deserve to be working on AAA games. Dark Souls is great but I hear the PC port was terrible? | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On July 27 2013 00:28 adwodon wrote: Bioshock Infinite is an unfinished, poorly designed game with a mildly interesting story which doesn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny. Its set pieces sucked all their design focus away, take them out and you're left with a terrible FPS with conflicting mechanics. Seriously whoever had the bright idea of having you run around looting corpses for health packs mid fight in a game with hit scan weapons and a tiny almost non-existent regen shield does not deserve to be working on AAA games. Dark Souls is great but I hear the PC port was terrible? About Bioshock Infinite. Wat About Dark Souls. Yes the port was awful but a modder had fixed all the issues within a few hours of launch. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 27 2013 00:28 adwodon wrote: Bioshock Infinite is an unfinished, poorly designed game with a mildly interesting story which doesn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny. Its set pieces sucked all their design focus away, take them out and you're left with a terrible FPS with conflicting mechanics. Seriously whoever had the bright idea of having you run around looting corpses for health packs mid fight in a game with hit scan weapons and a tiny almost non-existent regen shield does not deserve to be working on AAA games. Dark Souls is great but I hear the PC port was terrible? Scathing. Your points regarding the game's mechanics are reasonably accurate, however I disagree that the story was "mildly interesting". It was certainly better than the vast majority of triple A releases of the last few years in that regard, and the game's interesting graphic design and aesthetic only further enhanced that. Don't you know? It's cool to hate on what's both critically acclaimed and enjoyed by a ton of people. ~_~ Zzzz | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On July 27 2013 00:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote: Scathing. Your points regarding the game's mechanics are reasonably accurate, however I disagree that the story was "mildly interesting". It was certainly better than the vast majority of triple A releases of the last few years in that regard, and the game's interesting graphic design and aesthetic only further enhanced that. Don't you know? It's cool to hate on what's both critically acclaimed and enjoyed by a ton of people. ~_~ Zzzz True true, the underdog syndrome. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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Miscellany
Wales125 Posts
I just think it is moronic to compile a "top games" list. I don't see how you can compare Call of Duty to Minecraft or Bioshock to Starcraft. Even if I'm taking the view "which do I enjoy the most" - well it varies on what mood I'm in, how awake I am/ how much energy I have, how much of the game I have played, etc. I have no idea what Plants vs. Zombies is doing on that list (why not something like KotOR?). At least they put Morrowind ahead of it... | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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Copymizer
Denmark2087 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 27 2013 01:30 Miscellany wrote: Even if I'm taking the view "which do I enjoy the most" - well it varies on what mood I'm in, how awake I am/ how much energy I have, how much of the game I have played, etc. I have no idea what Plants vs. Zombies is doing on that list (why not something like KotOR?). At least they put Morrowind ahead of it... The thing is, every such list is subject to heavy genre bias, particularly among niche communities like TL. TL is ultra-critical when judging competitive RTS games, but when it comes to other genres, they don't match that elitism and unforgiving assessment, which is seen in other communities for their respective genres. Just as TL readers might consider many recent RTS games such as the newer CnC games as casual fare, hardcore CRPG communities don't look all that fondly against a lot of the mainstream RPGs that a lot of people here put in their top 10 (DAO, ME, FO3, Skyrim, etc. would go a lot lower than people in this thread have placed them). It's simply not possible to have a writer who is both unbiased to all genres and plays all genres a fair amount, while also being familiar enough with each genre to make suitably intelligent and critical assessments of what the "greats" within that genre are. | ||
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Epx
Switzerland209 Posts
the top should include: TES:morrowind WoW (classic-the burning crusade) age of empires 2 counter-strike 1.5/1.6 (including the attached half-life game) quake3 diablo2-LOD warcraft 3:TFT starcraft:BW unreal tournament 99 knights of the old republic would also add: dark souls (technically not a pc game and the pc-port was awful but after some fast fixes and played with gamepad a quality game to enjoy!) | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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GreenGringo
349 Posts
On July 27 2013 02:06 TheYango wrote: Well, that's funny. I'm not a professional reviewer by any stretch, yet I can easily see that the list is bullshit in several different genres:It's simply not possible to have a writer who is both unbiased to all genres and plays all genres a fair amount, while also being familiar enough with each genre to make suitably intelligent and critical assessments of what the "greats" within that genre are. RPGs: Placing Skyrim at #1 makes me feel like a 10-year-old has assembled this list. FPS: It's an all-time list, so how could Team Fortress 2 possibly be ranked ahead of Unreal Tournament, Quake 3, Counter Strike, etc.? RTS: How can SC2 be ranked ahead of BW? TBS: Civilization 5 is at #20 in the list. Civilization 4 is the better game. Fans of Civilization are almost unanimous on this point. Puzzle: Portal is at #14. Fair enough, it was good, but where is Braid? Where is Lemmings? What about Amnesia: Dark Descent if you want plot-driven puzzle-based games that last for a few hours? | ||
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AeroGear
Canada652 Posts
Game reviews are known to be biased and funded in part by gaming studios, so it comes as no surprise that the proposed list does'nt correspond to everyone's expectations. Everyone else could come up with a different list and generate just as much bickering. | ||
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TimENT
United States1425 Posts
On July 27 2013 02:49 GreenGringo wrote: Well, that's funny. I'm not a professional reviewer by any stretch, yet I can easily see that the list is bullshit in several different genres: RPGs: Placing Skyrim at #1 makes me feel like a 10-year-old has assembled this list. FPS: It's an all-time list, so how could Team Fortress 2 possibly be ranked ahead of Unreal Tournament, Quake 3, Counter Strike, etc.? RTS: How can SC2 be ranked ahead of BW? TBS: Civilization 5 is at #20 in the list. Civilization 4 is the better game. Fans of Civilization are unanimously agreed on this point. Puzzle: Portal is at #14. Fair enough, it was good, but where is Braid? Where is Lemmings? What about Amnesia: Dark Descent if you want plot-driven puzzle-based games that last for a few hours? You sound like the biggest hipster I've ever met. | ||
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GreenGringo
349 Posts
On July 27 2013 02:54 TimENT wrote: Eh? Hardly. It's just objectively true stuff, what I said.You sound like the biggest hipster I've ever met. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
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claybones
United States244 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:20 WolfintheSheep wrote: Fallout 3 over Fallout:NV In all honesty even though NV has better game mechanics I feel that Fallout 3 has a much better world to explore and is more interesting overall. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 27 2013 02:49 GreenGringo wrote: Well, that's funny. I'm not a professional reviewer by any stretch, yet I can easily see that the list is bullshit in several different genres: I don't care about their list. My point is mainly to criticize those who are wasting their time trying to come up with their own "alternative" list because those will be equally flawed for the reasons I stated. On July 27 2013 03:03 claybones wrote: In all honesty even though NV has better game mechanics I feel that Fallout 3 has a much better world to explore and is more interesting overall. What are you judging the game on? If it's story, writing quality, character development, the traditional facets of an RPG, then NV has FO3 beat. If it's encounter design/combat mechanics, the traditional facets of a shooter hybrid, then NV also has FO3 beat. If it's the exploration component that is the traditional selling point of a Bethesda game, then neither are better than Morrowind or Skyrim at this anyway. I'd be hard pressed to put either in a top 100 list though, because there are better RPGs, better shooter hybrids, and better Bethesda games. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On July 27 2013 03:03 claybones wrote: In all honesty even though NV has better game mechanics I feel that Fallout 3 has a much better world to explore and is more interesting overall. Definitely agreed on that. Both are great though. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
It shouldn't get credit as its own game. Despite being a standalone release, it has been built entirely on top of Fallout 3 with minor Gamebryo facelift. It's the same engine, same concept, same setting, and mostly the same mechanics. Fallout 3 should thus get credit for both the original game and New Vegas. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 27 2013 02:54 TimENT wrote: You sound like the biggest hipster I've ever met. You have no idea what you're talking about. All of GreenGringo's points are valid. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 27 2013 03:18 Talin wrote: If Fallout NV had been made by a random group of people, it would have been called a mod. It shouldn't get credit as its own game. Despite being a standalone release, it has been built entirely on top of Fallout 3 with minor Gamebryo facelift. It's the same engine, same concept, same setting, and mostly the same mechanics. Fallout 3 should thus get credit for both the original game and New Vegas. The same could be said of a lot of games that people credit as different games. People consider CS and Half Life different games. DotA and Warcraft 3. Arma 2 and DayZ (well, DayZ actually WAS a mod and still got its own entry). BG/PST/IWD (none are derivative of one another, but all use the same engine). It just introduces too much trouble judging games if you consider mods/derivative games to be a part of the original game, because being lucky enough to have a good modder/development team choose your engine as the baseline for a good new game doesn't make the gameplay content of the original game automatically good. Furthermore, the intent of a top 100 list can only be really to suggest games for people to play, and lumping FO3 with NV doesn't actually tell anyone which one is worth playing. | ||
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snakeeyez
United States1231 Posts
If you lean more towards modern though I guess you could throw any number of games on the list. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 27 2013 03:27 snakeeyez wrote: In my opinion the first FPS on that list and the highest up would have to be doom because without it Im not sure FPS gets as big as it is now. Quake also if you give more weight to older games those were amazing games at that time and have stood the test of time and were major advancements for FPS. If you lean more towards modern though I guess you could throw any number of games on the list. I don't agree with giving older games fundamentally more merit based on their genre impact. Older games should be judged on how their gameplay holds up now. That said, there are plenty of older games that still hold up against their newer counterparts on the basis of their gameplay being better/more polished than newer, shinier derivative games. I don't think any more recent game has surpassed Quake 3 at the Quake formula, for example. The fact of the matter is, the truly great older games don't *need* you to give them bonus points for being genre-defining games. Games like SC:BW, Quake 3, and BG2 stand up entirely on their own merits. | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
anyway this list is shit | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On July 27 2013 02:49 GreenGringo wrote: Well, that's funny. I'm not a professional reviewer by any stretch, yet I can easily see that the list is bullshit in several different genres: RPGs: Placing Skyrim at #1 makes me feel like a 10-year-old has assembled this list. FPS: It's an all-time list, so how could Team Fortress 2 possibly be ranked ahead of Unreal Tournament, Quake 3, Counter Strike, etc.? RTS: How can SC2 be ranked ahead of BW? TBS: Civilization 5 is at #20 in the list. Civilization 4 is the better game. Fans of Civilization are almost unanimous on this point. Puzzle: Portal is at #14. Fair enough, it was good, but where is Braid? Where is Lemmings? What about Amnesia: Dark Descent if you want plot-driven puzzle-based games that last for a few hours? I think fans are starting to feel like Civ5 since BNW is becoming even better than Civ4. It's always the problem with this serie, they cut a lot of it to make room for expansions. | ||
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GreenGringo
349 Posts
On July 27 2013 03:18 Talin wrote: Lol, pretty funny stuff.If Fallout NV had been made by a random group of people, it would have been called a mod. It shouldn't get credit as its own game. Despite being a standalone release, it has been built entirely on top of Fallout 3 with minor Gamebryo facelift. It's the same engine, same concept, same setting, and mostly the same mechanics. Fallout 3 should thus get credit for both the original game and New Vegas. NV wasn't a "minor facelift" as you say, but it was one of the most complete RPGs of all time. It took a relatively bland game and gave it characters, good writing, political intrigue, a setting that's unparalleled in its immersiveness, and a story that really does depends on the player's choices. Even better, it provided numerous possible solutions for the player to almost every problem in the game, so that none of your character's skills would go to waste as they did in Fallout 3 and almost every RPG before NV. It's impossible to understate how simply awesome this last feature is in an RPG. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On July 27 2013 03:18 Talin wrote: If Fallout NV had been made by a random group of people, it would have been called a mod. It shouldn't get credit as its own game. Despite being a standalone release, it has been built entirely on top of Fallout 3 with minor Gamebryo facelift. It's the same engine, same concept, same setting, and mostly the same mechanics. Fallout 3 should thus get credit for both the original game and New Vegas. I think all that really matters is which one you enjoy the most. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 27 2013 03:30 TheYango wrote: I don't think any more recent game has surpassed Quake 3 at the Quake formula, for example. It really depends how you look at it quite honestly. The problem with Quake is that all of the games were fantastic (although many would tend to argue that Q4 was the weakest) but significantly different from one another at a competitive level in their subtleties, which lead to the scene always being fragmented between the different games and versions. I mean right now the healthiest of the lot is probably Quake Live, but I have no doubt that there are still significant active communities for QuakeWorld, Quake 2, CPMA and probably Q4 Max as well. But it's impossible to determine which is the better game honestly; again the differences that seem insignificant at a casual level are completely game-changing at the upper echelons of play. It certainly doesn't help that everyone is so elitist about their version, CPMA players trashing Q4/QL, Q2 players trashing the rest, QW players claiming theirs has always been the best etc. If you mean non-Quake games though, I'd like to say I agree, but I also have to mention Warsow. I think they did a great job even though the game doesn't do too much to distinguish itself from the Quake series. | ||
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Benkestok
Denmark63 Posts
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KasPra
Estonia983 Posts
 Saying Skyrim is the best game ever is like saying lil jon is the greatest musical genius who has ever lived. | ||
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Mania[K]al
United States359 Posts
The only CS on the list is GO with a horrible ranking, no 1.6. Quake is way too low. Starcraft 2 is top 10? CoD: Modern Warfare instead of CoD1/2 which were actually good? (and actual pc games) i have to take a shit now this list is so bad | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On July 27 2013 03:35 GreenGringo wrote: Lol, pretty funny stuff. NV wasn't a "minor facelift" as you say, but it was one of the most complete RPGs of all time. It took a relatively bland game and gave it characters, good writing, political intrigue, a setting that's unparalleled in its immersiveness, and a story that really does depends on the player's choices. Even better, it provided numerous possible solutions for the player to almost every problem in the game, so that none of your character's skills would go to waste as they did in Fallout 3 and almost every RPG before NV. It's impossible to understate how simply awesome this last feature is in an RPG. NV was a glorified mod. Having played through them both and vastly prefering FO3 contrary to popular opinion. Playing through them again atm, the only good things about NV are its "facelift" features (wep modding, hardcore mode, healing over time) the rest of the game blows balls in comparison IMHO. Im spending alot more time on FO3 because of its better atmosphere and "open world" - with NV i feel like i HAVE to wander through primm, to the army base down south, then to Nipton / novac AND THEN and only then does the world feel a bit more open. You're immediately boxed in with super mutants and deathclaws from the get-go, try harder difficulty / mods and you get buttfucked. Thats why NV is just a glorified mod, because there are little to no differences between both of the games other then storyline / quests, which guess what, differ in mods / DLC too ^_^ | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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KarlKaliente
United States434 Posts
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
ut99 not there but ut04 is there, what a fucking joke they got some right, like hl2, CoH, RA, civ, eve, xcmo etc why isnt wc3 there? why isnt guild wars there? seems like they didnt actually list the TOP 100 they just decided to list some good games | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 27 2013 04:52 peidongyang wrote: ut99 not there but ut04 is there, what a fucking joke Lol are you insane? It's a phenomenal game... now if they had put 2003 or 2007 on the list, sure... | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
They include Dark Souls, but no cross system fighting games? It's a top 100 list so whatever, it's not terrible either they at least included Tribes and Dwarf Fortress, but meh. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
While the old LucasArts games are pretty awesome, this list lacks "Another World" / "Out of this World" / "Outer World". That's generally the tell-tale sign the list lacks anyone with solid knowledge of the pre-CD or early CD eras. And... none of the Myst games? One of the best-selling games of all time? (I wasn't a huge fan, but it used to be top 10s for a long time) Yeah, Diablo 3 over either 1 or 2, really? Yet they got Dungeon Keeper & System Shock 2 on there. This is one weird list, even among PC Gamer's previous lists. I also see they can't quite get past the 98% they gave to Alpha Centauri so many years ago. (It was an solid game, but it wasn't worth that high of a score. Something they started walking back right after) I'll actually somewhat defend the #8 for Minecraft. Sim City games have had places in top 25s for ages for the exact same type of play: creative control without any "end game". Minecraft just took it up a notch. (I don't play Minecraft, but I can see both the appeal and the quality involved) Oh, and Age of Empires at #25? Really? They weren't that big of fans of the game when it came out, haha. (Starcraft we known to be the bigger RTS that was coming and C&C was better, though AoE was a good game) | ||
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JP Dayne
538 Posts
probably retards born in the mid 90s' User was warned for this post | ||
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Wuiph
Austria28 Posts
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claybones
United States244 Posts
On July 27 2013 03:05 TheYango wrote: What are you judging the game on? If it's story, writing quality, character development, the traditional facets of an RPG, then NV has FO3 beat. If it's encounter design/combat mechanics, the traditional facets of a shooter hybrid, then NV also has FO3 beat. If it's the exploration component that is the traditional selling point of a Bethesda game, then neither are better than Morrowind or Skyrim at this anyway. I'd be hard pressed to put either in a top 100 list though, because there are better RPGs, better shooter hybrids, and better Bethesda games. Well yes there are better RPG's but that's aside from the point. On the basis of exploration NV is just not interesting. The world is tiny and extremely bland. In Fallout 3 you actually needed a variety or equipment to explore but in NV you can get by with just a sniper for like the entire game. The fact that energy weapons don't feel useful enough is also a gripe. I could say a ton of things but I think saying I liked it more is really the best justice I can do. | ||
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GreenGringo
349 Posts
On July 27 2013 04:18 Capped wrote: Lowbrow stuff from someone who evidently thinks the purpose of video games is to blow up the enemy.NV was a glorified mod. Having played through them both and vastly prefering FO3 contrary to popular opinion. Playing through them again atm, the only good things about NV are its "facelift" features (wep modding, hardcore mode, healing over time) the rest of the game blows balls in comparison IMHO. Im spending alot more time on FO3 because of its better atmosphere and "open world" - with NV i feel like i HAVE to wander through primm, to the army base down south, then to Nipton / novac AND THEN and only then does the world feel a bit more open. You're immediately boxed in with super mutants and deathclaws from the get-go, try harder difficulty / mods and you get buttfucked. Thats why NV is just a glorified mod, because there are little to no differences between both of the games other then storyline / quests, which guess what, differ in mods / DLC too ^_^ NV was better in every possible way except maybe the shoot shiny shit element. Which is so beaten to death as far as games are concerned that I can hardly believe there's still people who actually manage to derive enjoyment from that. | ||
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GreenGringo
349 Posts
On July 27 2013 05:40 claybones wrote: Complete twaddle. Well yes there are better RPG's but that's aside from the point. On the basis of exploration NV is just not interesting. The world is tiny and extremely bland. In Fallout 3 you actually needed a variety or equipment to explore but in NV you can get by with just a sniper for like the entire game. The fact that energy weapons don't feel useful enough is also a gripe. I could say a ton of things but I think saying I liked it more is really the best justice I can do. Saying that energy weapons were only necessary in a game where you can save a million instant-heal stimpacks is beyond absurd. Fallout New Vegas, especially on hardcore mode, was far more difficult and tactically interesting than Fallout 3. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 27 2013 05:40 claybones wrote: Well yes there are better RPG's but that's aside from the point. On the basis of exploration NV is just not interesting. The world is tiny and extremely bland. In Fallout 3 you actually needed a variety or equipment to explore but in NV you can get by with just a sniper for like the entire game. The fact that energy weapons don't feel useful enough is also a gripe. I could say a ton of things but I think saying I liked it more is really the best justice I can do. Well that falls into my point of "there are better Bethesda games" (I use the term Bethesda game to describe Bethesda Softworks' specific brand of action-exploration game with RPG elements). NV is a stronger RPG and shooter-hybrid, but a weaker Bethesda game because Obsidian specifically tried to take the game away from the direction that Bethesda did. And the fact is that if you want a Bethesda-style exploration game (which is already fundamentally a more niche genre than RPG and shooter-hybrid), Skyrim and Morrowind do that better than FO3. Basically any of the elements that you might have preferred in FO3 over NV are largely done better in the TES games because Bethesda was able to flesh those elements out better in a world that's entirely their own. | ||
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claybones
United States244 Posts
On July 27 2013 05:54 GreenGringo wrote: Complete twaddle. Saying that energy weapons were only necessary in a game where you can save a million instant-heal stimpacks is beyond absurd. Fallout New Vegas, especially on hardcore mode, was far more difficult and tactically interesting than Fallout 3. Okay seriously that's not even close to what I was saying. Energy weapons are crap in NV, absolutely useless in comparison to all other weapon types. Simply comparing them to regular firearms they just aren't as useful because of how good guns are and how plentiful explosives are. Not only is the map for NV pitifully small, it lacks any character. There's nothing but open areas and when you do enter cities (I should probably say towns because there's only one place you can call a city) they are closed off entirely meaning that you never see anything but poorly equipped people. You're also forced to go through each town from the direction the game designers want you to (yawn). I really don't find any enjoyment in walking to the top of a hill, spotting EVERY hostile and either sniping them or killing them in some other trivial manner because of how simple planning for the fight was, all before walking to the top of the next hill and doing it again. You almost never have cleverly placed hazards like land mines, exploding baby dolls or the awkwardly placed atomic powered car. Sure you have hardcore mode but people who want a challenge can tailor they way they play to create their own challenges. Not only does Fallout 3 have much more memorable locations (and not just the locations your were forced to explore like in NV) but they actually have some variety to the layouts and overall settings. Also the fact that humans are the present enemies almost everywhere is just a let down. They got rid of super mutant behemoths to add such uninspired enemies as lakelurks (or ones that are just poorly designed such as cazadors) On July 27 2013 05:56 TheYango wrote: Well that falls into my point of "there are better Bethesda games" (I use the term Bethesda game to describe Bethesda Softworks' specific brand of action-exploration game with RPG elements). NV is a stronger RPG and shooter-hybrid, but a weaker Bethesda game because Obsidian specifically tried to take the game away from the direction that Bethesda did. And the fact is that if you want a Bethesda-style exploration game (which is already fundamentally a more niche genre than RPG and shooter-hybrid), Skyrim and Morrowind do that better than FO3. Basically any of the elements that you might have preferred in FO3 over NV are largely done better in the TES games because Bethesda was able to flesh those elements out better in a world that's entirely their own. We were discussing FO3 and NV. Not every RPG, not even every Bethesda RPG. Also the idea that one is better than the other based on RPG elements is subjective and to be honest I just don't agree with you. I find nothing about NV memorable. Even though I have played NV more recently I can't think of many things about it that are memorable and when I try to come up with them I start thinking of things from FO3. I also had a bit of an issue with replay deja vu, I came to realize that I was doing the exact same things in different play throughs down to minor details (things so small as realizing I was approaching locations from the same angles even late into the game) with my reputation being the only motivation to do different things. In that respect I would say NV is not a good RPG because the experience it gives you is finite and nonunique. Even with a game so cut and dry (by today's standards) as FF6 I still feel that my play throughs are unique and that I'm not doing the exact same thing | ||
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
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Glenstorm
United States69 Posts
On July 27 2013 13:06 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: No WC3? That's absurd. Not only was it single handedly responsible for the entire genre of MOBAs (they'll always be AoS games in my mind) Aeon of Strife was a starcraft map (I completely agree with the rest of your post) | ||
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rift
1819 Posts
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Ettick
United States2434 Posts
On July 27 2013 13:06 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: No WC3? That's absurd. Not only was it single handedly responsible for the entire genre of MOBAs (they'll always be AoS games in my mind), it was a thriving esport title, had an amazing single player campaign, new and nifty hybridization of RTS/RPG elements, and an amazing world editor/custom game system. I understand that there's subjectivity among the rankings of any of these games (how do you compare the olden classics against recent blockbusters?), but to omit wc3 entirely is an epic fail. Yeah, WC3 even set the story line for all of WoW's content until Cata came out. It was an awesome game, hard to believe it's not in this list. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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GreenGringo
349 Posts
On July 27 2013 09:12 claybones wrote: First of all, you have some nerve to complain about energy weapons given that Fallout 3 had all kinds of glaring and fatal flaws in the gameplay...such as the fact that you could save unlimited instant-heal stimpacks which made you practically invincible, even on the highest difficulty, once you reached a critical mass.Okay seriously that's not even close to what I was saying. Energy weapons are crap in NV, absolutely useless in comparison to all other weapon types. Simply comparing them to regular firearms they just aren't as useful because of how good guns are and how plentiful explosives are. You're not even accurate anyway. The point of energy weapons is that they use homogenous ammo supplies. The other weapons use more than 10 different ammo types, not including explosives. I've played NV through twice on hardcore mode and I remember all kinds of situations where energy weapons would be useful because I could guarantee being able to acquire the ammo. That's another reason why the gameplay in New Vegas is deeper: the difficulty forces you to use multiple weapons rather than relying on exlusively laser weapons as you could for the final third of Fallout 3. On July 27 2013 09:12 claybones wrote:Not only is the map for NV pitifully small, it lacks any character. There's nothing but open areas and when you do enter cities (I should probably say towns because there's only one place you can call a city) Well, they didn't have any cities in Fallout 3, so it's hardly a comparison. The truth is that most players would rather have more content in a smaller area than less content in a larger area. They don't want to have to walk through the desert for 20 minutes only to find an empty garage and a ton of areas whose purpose is only revealed later.they are closed off entirely meaning that you never see anything but poorly equipped people. That's not even to mention that there's almost no incentive to explore in Fallout 3 except at the beginning of the game. You don't have to scavenge for food and water as you do in hardcore mode of New Vegas, and you soon reach the "critical mass" of inventory contents after which you've already won the game. The rest of the game is played out like "Dear Esther", because there's no challenge to the gameplay and you're only in it to see how the story pans out. On July 27 2013 09:12 claybones wrote:Sure you have hardcore mode but people who want a challenge can tailor they way they play to create their own challenges. Double standards much? Fallout 3 is exempted from its facile gameplay because players want to "create their own challenges". But God forbid using any laser weapons in NV if you consider them to be underpowered.As has already been pointed out to you...if your main attraction to Fallout 3 is the exploration and the "creating your own challenges", Skyrim and Oblivion do this a lot better than Fallout 3. | ||
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Ettick
United States2434 Posts
On July 27 2013 13:24 IntoTheheart wrote: I'm curious as to why they placed Skyrim over Morrowind since a lot of people who have played both say that Morrowind is better. But on the other hand, Morrowind's current followers might be a bit blinded by nostalgia (as I often am when comparing old with new). I actually only got Morrowind after playing Skyrim all the way through and I can attest to the fact that Morrowind is better than Skyrim. Skyrim is good if you want to go around a huge open world and do random shit, but that's not what RPG's are for in my opinion. If I wanted to go around and do random shit, I'd go play a game like GTA, Saint's Row, or any other open world game like those. Games like those are made purposely for doing random shit and, in my opinion, do it better than Skyrim does. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Like for example: EVE over WoW is interesting. Bioshock over Infinite is interesting. Age of Empires over its sequel is interesting (and probably wrong). They got some things absolutely right. UT2004 being the only Unreal game: yes. Max Payne 2 but not 1 or 3: yes. Freespace 2, but no Tie Fighter: yes. "Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth" inclusion: good. Day of the Tentacle way above Monkey Island: good. Mass Effect 2 being so high: good. I mean, these aren't popular choices, but they're right in line with what I believe to be accurate. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On July 27 2013 13:38 Ettick wrote: I actually only got Morrowind after playing Skyrim all the way through and I can attest to the fact that Morrowind is better than Skyrim. Skyrim is good if you want to go around a huge open world and do random shit, but that's not what RPG's are for in my opinion. If I wanted to go around and do random shit, I'd go play a game like GTA, Saint's Row, or any other open world game like those. Games like those are made purposely for doing random shit and, in my opinion, do it better than Skyrim does. Nice telepathy because I would've asked how people felt Skyrim compared to GTA. Personal thought about GTA? In GTA there's no character progression (in the ones I've played) so you can just start from scratch and screw around. In Skyrim there are actually expectations. Eww. | ||
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GreenGringo
349 Posts
On July 27 2013 13:43 motbob wrote: Well, let's not forget that Monkey Island 2 really was the bee's knees. Who remembers the Largo LaGrande theme tune?Day of the Tentacle way above Monkey Island: good. | ||
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Maasked
United States567 Posts
If we aren't grading these games on multiplayer, which is the assumption I am making, and instead on the games strongest points then it makes PERFECT SENSE to have Starcraft 2 over BW, considering BW had 12 units selectable, no multi building selection, dreadfully boring single player (imo). Also Skyrim is understandable at #1 considering how good the game can get from a few simple mods. I feel that must have been the reason the game was ranked the top spot. because you can change so much about it. Day Z doesnt really deserve to be on this list, considering it is a multiplayer only game which is extremely buggy. Its not like its a well made game, its just a mod that is very very popular. A lot of games on this list are rather terrible aswell, ie the PC port of dark souls which is kind of awful if you dont get the mod to fix it. and Thirty Flights of loving? also not a great game But this is all in my opinion. I was never really into multiplayer broodwar so I can stay away from that bias My top 10 list would differ quite a bit however, I am a very particular gamer! | ||
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claybones
United States244 Posts
On July 27 2013 13:34 GreenGringo wrote: Well, they didn't have any cities in Fallout 3, so it's hardly a comparison. Yeah apart from like 40% of the map. I'm really not sure you have played FO3 enough to judge it properly if you can't see the difference in level design between the two games. The entire map in NV feels like the same thing copy/pasted over and over. Nothing sees you first and if you feel like it you never have to put away your sniper rifle. I really don't have a problem with the instant healing of stim packs because you can choose not to use them. You can't choose a less shitty map for NV though so I can't really forgive that. | ||
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snakeeyez
United States1231 Posts
I would personally favor a lot of older games higher then newer ones because with the amount of time passed I have seen how many older games played out while newer ones are still unproven how they will be judged. I think newer games get rated higher just because its more fresh in everyone's mind and a lot of people have subtle biases towards better graphics. If you judged a game based on when it came out verses comparing it to today standards you might place them differently. | ||
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snakeeyez
United States1231 Posts
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snakeeyez
United States1231 Posts
On July 27 2013 02:22 Epx wrote: LOL the top should include: TES:morrowind WoW (classic-the burning crusade) age of empires 2 counter-strike 1.5/1.6 (including the attached half-life game) quake3 diablo2-LOD warcraft 3:TFT starcraft:BW unreal tournament 99 knights of the old republic would also add: dark souls (technically not a pc game and the pc-port was awful but after some fast fixes and played with gamepad a quality game to enjoy!) Yeah I would agree with most of these. Its just hard to make a list like this because of the number of games deserving to be in this. I could easily drop knights of the old republic and stick in heroes of might and magic 2 or 3 or any number of other games. | ||
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GreenGringo
349 Posts
On July 27 2013 15:36 claybones wrote: No point in posting further if you're going to stoop to this level of arguing in bad faith.Yeah apart from like 40% of the map. I'm really not sure you have played FO3 enough to judge it properly if you can't see the difference in level design between the two games. As goes without saying, I wasn't counting what they had in Fallout 3 as "cities". When I talk to fans of the RPG genre, they don't class the Friendly Arm Inn in Baldur's Gate, or the Outskirts of Vizma in Witcher, as cities. In Fallout 3 you have small settlements at best. There was Megaton, Rivet "City" (an aircraft carrier with a few rooms), Underworld...and a few villages with a couple of people in them. Fallout New Vegas had New Vegas, Hoover Dam and Caesar's Camp as major locations in the game. Then it had a load of settlements like the Brotherhood of Steel safehouse, the Great Khan camp, as well as the ones for the Boomers, Powder Gangers and Followers of the Apocalypse, as well as all the outposts of the NCR and the Legion. Settlements, Fallout: New Vegas has the advantage. Cities, there's only one, and it's New Vegas. That location is the granddaddy of Fallout settlements that have been developed so far, and leads to dozens of separate locations and contains dozens of different NPCs with their own complex dialogue trees. And for the record, I have played Fallout 3 quite thoroughly and I even tried some of the add-ons. I was enticed with it for a while back in 2009. Like you I enjoyed exploring the Wasteland (for a while a blissful, tranquil experience, similar to listening to soothing music). And then guess what? Fallout New Vegas comes out and delivers everything I thought Fallout 3 had been lacking, and more. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
It's understandable that Kotor isn't there though given that the PC ports were shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On July 27 2013 13:43 motbob wrote: They got some things absolutely right. UT2004 being the only Unreal game: yes. Really? Because the original (not UT99) is one of the most immersive and atmospheric single player experiences I've ever had the pleasure to enjoy. You know, and that's beyond the fact that the combat was great, the aesthetic was great and the weapons were innovative. | ||
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Weryeery
288 Posts
fallout 3 but no fallout and fallout 2? | ||
rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
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saddaromma
1129 Posts
2. Gothic 2 Night of the raven 3. Heroes 3 4. Counter-strike 5. HL 2 | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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claybones
United States244 Posts
On July 27 2013 16:29 GreenGringo wrote: As goes without saying, I wasn't counting what they had in Fallout 3 as "cities". When I talk to fans of the RPG genre, they don't class the Friendly Arm Inn in Baldur's Gate, or the Outskirts of Vizma in Witcher, as cities. Can you at least attempt to look at this a matter of level design and not in terms of RPG "towns". The simple fact is that there is nothing that interesting about the NV map design on a large or small scale. While FO3 features the capital, a large expanse with high structure density (a city if you will), NV only has Freeside and Vegas and you will never see anything interesting there. This means that combat capability in NV comes down to being able to A) engage humans and super mutants under any conditions B) being able to engage other enemies in open, long range conditions with the ability to spot and prepare for them. In FO3 no matter where you are you have to be prepared for anything. Aside from that NV just doesn't have an interesting map. It's so small and there's hardly anything interesting apart from the places that you have to go. I guess I enjoyed finding Jacobstown and Hoover Dam on my own however I couldn't simply wander aimlessly like in FO3 because there are no landmarks that catch your eye (apart from the places you couldn't miss on the way to Vegas if you were blind). This lead to me wandering the map in a forced manner by setting waypoints and searching for locations on the way. I would also agree with you about Vegas itself being far superior to any settlement in FO3 however the strength of FO3 lies in the fact that there are many interesting settlements scattered across the map. All of the settlements on the way to Vegas are just boring because you have to go through them and they're set up so that, with some exceptions, all you want to do is get what you need and leave. FO3 never forces you to go through Girdershade or Paradise Falls and that makes those towns that much more interesting. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On July 27 2013 17:48 rezoacken wrote: Even if that list was from a more serious source, I always find hese to be pretty useless... like n what ground are they based on ? Popularity, critics score, innovation, history... feels like a headache to come out with a list. Think of it more as a source for newer gamers to check out classics they've never heard of or played. As awful as the list is, at least it manages to cover a lot of the true classics of gaming, though the ordering is hilarious. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17257 Posts
On July 27 2013 15:12 Maasked wrote: Also Skyrim is understandable at #1 considering how good the game can get from a few simple mods. I feel that must have been the reason the game was ranked the top spot. because you can change so much about it. Are you being serious right now? If the game "can get good" with a couple of mods it means that it's the mods that should be on the list, not the game. I always thought that such lists are made based on the game "as is", preferably only single-player experience being factored in. Also, when speaking of mods and comparing Skyrim to Morrowind (which happens all the time in this thread) since Morrowind is better than Skyrim from the get go, how much better can it get with mods? People complain about dated graphics in it, etc. Let's take a peek at how does Morrowind look this days, shall we? Not too shabby for a game that's 11 years old now, eh? And that's just graphics/sound mods. Imagine what else is out there... | ||
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AimlessAmoeba
Canada704 Posts
Don't get me wrong, I love me some SC2 but if we're talking long term here... sheesh. | ||
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Earll
Norway847 Posts
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Amaril
Germany105 Posts
On August 13 2013 07:42 AimlessAmoeba wrote: How'd SC2 beat BW on an "all time" list? Don't get me wrong, I love me some SC2 but if we're talking long term here... sheesh. This list is just named wrong. Its not "all-time" its more like best Massmarket-Games of the last 5 years. | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:21 Matoo- wrote: lol sc2 over bw This x Infinity. I dont play BW anymore but it should just be above sc2 due to history. List like these are always crap and just makes you mad so I wont even look at it apart from the top10 posted in op. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
the fuck | ||
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scaban84
United States1080 Posts
On July 27 2013 23:33 saddaromma wrote: 1. Baldur's gate 2 2. Gothic 2 Night of the raven 3. Heroes 3 4. Counter-strike 5. HL 2 ^^ THIS Baldurs Gate 2 absolutely must be top 5 | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
I believe that GoaT (Greatest of all Time) lists should always be taken with a grain of salt, then there is always a difference between popularity and objective criticisms for any given game. Maybe think of it as a "Best of ___" collection for recording artists. If i were to rate a game on its experiences, it would be without the community aspect of the game. It would be without outside influences aside from whatever was necessary to get the game into your hands. In other words, it would just be based on your own experiences with the game from start to however long it would take you to finish. What you're left with is a list of what your opinion is on which games gave you the most at the time, and overall. but if you're going to really compare games you have to go cross-genre and take into consideration things like.. atmosphere, themes, and game-feel for many of the game's mechanics/systems. If i had to build a list considering what i mentioned, there probably wouldn't be any multiplayer games included. Singleplayer gameplay is experienced differently by everyone as is with multiplayer games but i still feel that singleplayer games are more prone to be discussed and analyzed by people much like they would with novels or movies. If i didn't take myself so seriously though, counterstrike is way up there because no matter how repetitive everything looked like from a glance, it was so addictive, competitive, and compelling. Games like descent, doom, and duke nukem would be up there for me because they were so difficult and interesting. The truth is, it really depends on whether gaming was a luxury for you and your family, or gaming was affordable and really easy to get into. When you were a kid and you pestered your mom (or whoever was more likely to cave and buy it for you) to get you a game, imagine how bad you'd feel or how much flak you'd get if you ended up hating the game or stop playing it after a week. Being a fan of a lot of things out there is not a cheap sort of hobby, and in this day and age of gaming where re-makes and franchise reboots are flying out left and right it really starts to kill some of the magic and excitement. What you enjoyed might not be what you remember, its been nearly a decade after all. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On July 25 2013 16:20 WolfintheSheep wrote: Fallout 3 over Fallout:NV Diablo 3 over Diablo 2 Assassins Creed 2, which was a good game...but a mediocre PC Port job. Not going to nitpick the entire list, but those three really stood out. Plus a noticeable lack of many older classics like StarControl 2. Not only Diablo 3 over Diablo 2, but TORCHLIGHT (I assume 1) over Diablo 2. Now that's jawdrop-worthy. | ||
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Bourneq
Sweden800 Posts
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Coppermantis
United States845 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
81 Starcraft Broodwar seriously? Fuck them. | ||
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