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United States47024 Posts
On June 11 2013 04:39 Djzapz wrote:
I'm not saying it's impossible to upgrade or build a PC using existing pieces, but if you're trying to study the market for the Xbone, it's probably a rather irrelevant amount of people.
And as I said, it's also an equally irrelevant amount of people who are judging the consoles based on hardware specs at all, and not simply just on brand loyalty or the games they want to play being on a particular one.
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On June 11 2013 04:34 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:26 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:24 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:22 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:16 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:13 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 11 2013 04:12 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:12 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:10 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:10 Hitch-22 wrote:
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Because... Why join a discussion if you're going to spew bullshit? It's exhausting reading 100's and 100's of comments on the power of a PC vs console when the console is hundreds of dollars cheaper... It's like those idiots who run around with 2.5k macbook pro and say "Man dat 500 laptop, aint as good as this macbook" and you just wanna slam your face into a desk. It doesn't exhaust me. Are you new to the internets?  We have our dumb people here. Indeed, perhaps I've been worn down to far after years and years of stupid comments. "Yo did you know dat da cloud is complete impossible, Xbox totally lying" , "Yo PC so much more powerful bro, buy one!" my head implodes... Anywho, who thought that Titan game looked sick. Are you implying you can't build a $500 PC that will massively outperform the Xbox One? with his current knowledge of computers, he probably can't lolol Show me a PC built better then the xbox one that has higher graphic quality, faster processing and better ram for 500$ and I'll conceit defeat on the topic. love the guy above me "Lets factor in the price of games for the console to equate its power!"  palm to face once again http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128544http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148543http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130720http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147123$510 ib4 you bringing up 8 core vs dual core, it matters almost fucking nothing. No power supply, no OS, no storage. No no it's ok, he went found the cheapest shit he could find and tried to pass it off as equivalent or better then the xbox one while hoping no one opened the link. Also, I do take personal offense to this because the shit I linked is my personal budget build (other than the case and RAM brand) that I upgraded to last year. I run Metro Last Light at 50 FPS at 1920x1080 on High Settings and can get 35fps at complete max. I get 60 FPS in Planetside and 40-50 FPS in Shogun 2 on DX11 ultra settings. So you're full of shit that it's a "piece of crap" compared to the XBone.
You need to consider optimization consoles get, like Ryse graphic we saw is far superior than Crysis 3 and you need to 680gtx minimun to play crysis 3 on high, and still xbone will outperform, also if you saw Battlefield 4 you need an 7990 amd card to get equal perfomance as xbox one.
Than this is just first wave of games in few years graphic on the console will look much better. You will need around 3x 680gtx to get around same graphic as the console will get.
You can just look at last of us or halo 4 and see no game on pc would run that on 7600gtx to know I speak the truth.
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On June 11 2013 04:34 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:29 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 11 2013 04:28 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:24 PassiveAce wrote:On June 11 2013 04:21 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:19 Womwomwom wrote:Hi Hitch, can you explain how cloud processing will make the Xbox One so much more powerful. Please show me your working out because I'd love to see it. At the E3, literally the only thing cloud processing provided was in Forza 5. And that's to make the AI better. I never once tried to affirm or debunk but you, sir, have blatantly claimed knowledge of its works as if you have some for seen god affirming belief that would debunk it. Microsoft has made claims it would increase processing over the cloud and rely less on its console processors and I have yet to see a single reason to think Microsoft would fabricate lies with false advertising if it weren't true. Hmm yes why would microsoft want to exaggerate the performance of their hardware my mind is boggled Exaggeration =/= lying. They can say the cloud processing will "insert hyperbolic statement" but the minute they say it will have an affect on processing, which they have, it becomes false advertising if it's not true. We have been told it will help decrease the load on the Xbox One, meaning it works. Wom seems to think otherwise and blatantly has stated so. ok, I am seriously beginning to think you are being paid by M$ to post here... Small minds conjure conspiracy at every turn. So, no, I'm not paid for saying a rumor is a rumor but until someone proves Cloud Processing is bullshit (in how they define it) or someone shows me a 500$ pc that's ability at playing games is equivalent then I have yet to be corrected.
Let's start:
Avalanche Studios (Just Cause devs) have said that cloud processing is misleading at best:
Linus Blomberg: The cloud functionality is pushed as a marketing tool to compensate for the less favorable hardware specs. I understand why they feel they need to do this, as the specs on paper aren’t necessarily representative of the actual performance. But the way it’s presented I feel is misleading at best. It’s just common sense that sending data over an internet connection isn’t even remotely comparable to sending data over a high-speed internal memory bus.
Of course it can be used to perform high-latency computations, but it won’t really increase your FPS or anything like that.
So generally speaking, it doesn't make your game run better or look better, which was kind of what Microsoft was pushing.
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On June 11 2013 04:39 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:37 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:34 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:29 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 11 2013 04:28 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:24 PassiveAce wrote:On June 11 2013 04:21 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:19 Womwomwom wrote:Hi Hitch, can you explain how cloud processing will make the Xbox One so much more powerful. Please show me your working out because I'd love to see it. At the E3, literally the only thing cloud processing provided was in Forza 5. And that's to make the AI better. I never once tried to affirm or debunk but you, sir, have blatantly claimed knowledge of its works as if you have some for seen god affirming belief that would debunk it. Microsoft has made claims it would increase processing over the cloud and rely less on its console processors and I have yet to see a single reason to think Microsoft would fabricate lies with false advertising if it weren't true. Hmm yes why would microsoft want to exaggerate the performance of their hardware my mind is boggled Exaggeration =/= lying. They can say the cloud processing will "insert hyperbolic statement" but the minute they say it will have an affect on processing, which they have, it becomes false advertising if it's not true. We have been told it will help decrease the load on the Xbox One, meaning it works. Wom seems to think otherwise and blatantly has stated so. ok, I am seriously beginning to think you are being paid by M$ to post here... Small minds conjure conspiracy at every turn. That being said I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed by their privacy settings and the fact they did not address the used games yet but it's blatantly not true to call their cloud claims fabrications when no one has proven to debunk them. Until Microsoft is proven the liar then it's pure speculation which is then turned to pure rumour and more bullshit ensues. My claims have been, for the most part, in this thread about how you can't, from scratch, build a 500$ computer as powerful as the specified xbox one with regards to playing games. We had a ridiculous few posts with worse hardware earlier and my claim remains the same. I have yet to ever see a gaming computer equivalent and still have not. I own a gaming computer, a good one, and I know that even custom built it cost me over 1,400$ while trying my best to cut at evey corner while still maintaining ultra graphics on all games played thus far (except.. for some reason... minecraft always lagged for me, I'll never understand why) So, no, I'm not paid for saying a rumor is a rumor but until someone proves Cloud Processing is bullshit (in how they define it) or someone shows me a 500$ pc that's ability at playing games is equivalent then I have yet to be corrected. An Xbox One does not cost $500 It costs $500 + Tax (~$40) + Controllers (likely $60 per, reasonable to assume 2-3 will be bought for the average person) + the $5/mo xbox live subscription (many people will buy the package, so I think the deal is $50) So many people will be spending well over $700 at the end of this all and at best in the $600's Crazy... I always remember controllers coming with a console when you purchase it... But your claims equivalent to "man you gotta buy da mouse, da keyboard... you gotta buy da monitor... You can tell when claims are false when they try to scratch as much shit from the barrel as possible to justify their position. Will people spend more on an xbox then buying it :O SHOCKER, yes... But will they do so on a comp? In case you're stuck the answer is yes...
Peripherals cost $50 at most...
Also, you're acting like a major douchenozzle right now dude. Jesus, can you just take a chill pill? We disagree, that doesn't mean you need to get at me like this.
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I remember the ps2 coming out and being 200 euro, now its nearly triple.
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On June 11 2013 04:39 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:39 Djzapz wrote:
I'm not saying it's impossible to upgrade or build a PC using existing pieces, but if you're trying to study the market for the Xbone, it's probably a rather irrelevant amount of people. And as I said, it's also an equally irrelevant amount of people who are judging the consoles based on hardware specs at all, and not simply just on the games they want to play being on a particular one.
I don't think it's irrelevant. I agree that exclusives play a huge role but people will be willing to pay a certain amount of money depending on how good they perceive the hardware to be. "Casuals" will be told that a certain console is more powerful than the other and so they'll pick out that one, except the people who are very attached to specific franchises.
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On June 11 2013 04:40 Trumpstyle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:34 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:26 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:24 Djzapz wrote:No power supply, no OS, no storage. No no it's ok, he went found the cheapest shit he could find and tried to pass it off as equivalent or better then the xbox one while hoping no one opened the link. Also, I do take personal offense to this because the shit I linked is my personal budget build (other than the case and RAM brand) that I upgraded to last year. I run Metro Last Light at 50 FPS at 1920x1080 on High Settings and can get 35fps at complete max. I get 60 FPS in Planetside and 40-50 FPS in Shogun 2 on DX11 ultra settings. So you're full of shit that it's a "piece of crap" compared to the XBone. You need to consider optimization consoles get, like Ryse graphic we saw is far superior than Crysis 3 and you need to 680gtx minimun to play crysis 3 on high, and still xbone will outperform, also if you saw Battlefield 4 you need an 7990 amd card to get equal perfomance as xbox one. Than this is just first wave of games in few years graphic on the console will look much better. You will need around 3x 680gtx to get around same graphic as the console will get. You can just look at last of us or halo 4 and see no game on pc would run that on 7600gtx to know I speak the truth.
I'll just quote this, this sums up my position on console gaming vs pc with regards to pricing.
Also to Wom, I read the developers comments on Cloud and as I said before Xbox one isnt out yet and until I see anything other then "counter claims" upon the claims Microsoft has made then it stands that, while perhaps they're lying, it's not shown and as such it shouldn't be said to be impossible or even improbable until someone can prove otherwise.
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On June 11 2013 04:39 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:37 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:34 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:29 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 11 2013 04:28 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:24 PassiveAce wrote:On June 11 2013 04:21 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:19 Womwomwom wrote:Hi Hitch, can you explain how cloud processing will make the Xbox One so much more powerful. Please show me your working out because I'd love to see it. At the E3, literally the only thing cloud processing provided was in Forza 5. And that's to make the AI better. I never once tried to affirm or debunk but you, sir, have blatantly claimed knowledge of its works as if you have some for seen god affirming belief that would debunk it. Microsoft has made claims it would increase processing over the cloud and rely less on its console processors and I have yet to see a single reason to think Microsoft would fabricate lies with false advertising if it weren't true. Hmm yes why would microsoft want to exaggerate the performance of their hardware my mind is boggled Exaggeration =/= lying. They can say the cloud processing will "insert hyperbolic statement" but the minute they say it will have an affect on processing, which they have, it becomes false advertising if it's not true. We have been told it will help decrease the load on the Xbox One, meaning it works. Wom seems to think otherwise and blatantly has stated so. ok, I am seriously beginning to think you are being paid by M$ to post here... Small minds conjure conspiracy at every turn. That being said I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed by their privacy settings and the fact they did not address the used games yet but it's blatantly not true to call their cloud claims fabrications when no one has proven to debunk them. Until Microsoft is proven the liar then it's pure speculation which is then turned to pure rumour and more bullshit ensues. My claims have been, for the most part, in this thread about how you can't, from scratch, build a 500$ computer as powerful as the specified xbox one with regards to playing games. We had a ridiculous few posts with worse hardware earlier and my claim remains the same. I have yet to ever see a gaming computer equivalent and still have not. I own a gaming computer, a good one, and I know that even custom built it cost me over 1,400$ while trying my best to cut at evey corner while still maintaining ultra graphics on all games played thus far (except.. for some reason... minecraft always lagged for me, I'll never understand why) So, no, I'm not paid for saying a rumor is a rumor but until someone proves Cloud Processing is bullshit (in how they define it) or someone shows me a 500$ pc that's ability at playing games is equivalent then I have yet to be corrected. An Xbox One does not cost $500 It costs $500 + Tax (~$40) + Controllers (likely $60 per, reasonable to assume 2-3 will be bought for the average person) + the $5/mo xbox live subscription (many people will buy the package, so I think the deal is $50) So many people will be spending well over $700 at the end of this all and at best in the $600's Crazy... I always remember controllers coming with a console when you purchase it... But your claims equivalent to "man you gotta buy da mouse, da keyboard... you gotta buy da monitor... You can tell when claims are silly* when they try to scratch as much shit from the barrel as possible to justify their position. Will people spend more on an xbox then buying it :O SHOCKER, yes... But will they do so on a comp? In case you're stuck the answer is yes...
A very special link about cloud computing for our great sensible and benevolent Hitch-22
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On June 11 2013 04:34 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:26 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:24 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:22 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:16 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:13 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 11 2013 04:12 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:12 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:10 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:10 Hitch-22 wrote:
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Because... Why join a discussion if you're going to spew bullshit? It's exhausting reading 100's and 100's of comments on the power of a PC vs console when the console is hundreds of dollars cheaper... It's like those idiots who run around with 2.5k macbook pro and say "Man dat 500 laptop, aint as good as this macbook" and you just wanna slam your face into a desk. It doesn't exhaust me. Are you new to the internets? We have our dumb people here. Indeed, perhaps I've been worn down to far after years and years of stupid comments. "Yo did you know dat da cloud is complete impossible, Xbox totally lying" , "Yo PC so much more powerful bro, buy one!" my head implodes... Anywho, who thought that Titan game looked sick. Are you implying you can't build a $500 PC that will massively outperform the Xbox One? with his current knowledge of computers, he probably can't lolol Show me a PC built better then the xbox one that has higher graphic quality, faster processing and better ram for 500$ and I'll conceit defeat on the topic. love the guy above me "Lets factor in the price of games for the console to equate its power!" palm to face once again http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128544http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148543http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130720http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147123$510 ib4 you bringing up 8 core vs dual core, it matters almost fucking nothing. No power supply, no OS, no storage. No no it's ok, he went found the cheapest shit he could find and tried to pass it off as equivalent or better then the xbox one while hoping no one opened the link. Also, I do take personal offense to this because the shit I linked is my personal budget build (other than the case and RAM brand) that I upgraded to last year. I run Metro Last Light at 50 FPS at 1920x1080 on High Settings and can get 35fps at complete max. I get 60 FPS in Planetside and 40-50 FPS in Shogun 2 on DX11 ultra settings. So you're full of shit that it's a "piece of crap" compared to the XBone.
Xbone and PS4 will be able to do all of that, and more, at 60 fps, mainly because the developers only have to cater to one piece of hardware so they can optimalize the living shit out of it. It's honestly quite impressive what devs were still able to drag out of the aging hardware of an x360 and ps3 (think Gears 3, Halo 4, the uncharted games, skyrim).
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On June 11 2013 04:43 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:39 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:37 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:34 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:29 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 11 2013 04:28 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:24 PassiveAce wrote:On June 11 2013 04:21 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:19 Womwomwom wrote:Hi Hitch, can you explain how cloud processing will make the Xbox One so much more powerful. Please show me your working out because I'd love to see it. At the E3, literally the only thing cloud processing provided was in Forza 5. And that's to make the AI better. I never once tried to affirm or debunk but you, sir, have blatantly claimed knowledge of its works as if you have some for seen god affirming belief that would debunk it. Microsoft has made claims it would increase processing over the cloud and rely less on its console processors and I have yet to see a single reason to think Microsoft would fabricate lies with false advertising if it weren't true. Hmm yes why would microsoft want to exaggerate the performance of their hardware my mind is boggled Exaggeration =/= lying. They can say the cloud processing will "insert hyperbolic statement" but the minute they say it will have an affect on processing, which they have, it becomes false advertising if it's not true. We have been told it will help decrease the load on the Xbox One, meaning it works. Wom seems to think otherwise and blatantly has stated so. ok, I am seriously beginning to think you are being paid by M$ to post here... Small minds conjure conspiracy at every turn. That being said I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed by their privacy settings and the fact they did not address the used games yet but it's blatantly not true to call their cloud claims fabrications when no one has proven to debunk them. Until Microsoft is proven the liar then it's pure speculation which is then turned to pure rumour and more bullshit ensues. My claims have been, for the most part, in this thread about how you can't, from scratch, build a 500$ computer as powerful as the specified xbox one with regards to playing games. We had a ridiculous few posts with worse hardware earlier and my claim remains the same. I have yet to ever see a gaming computer equivalent and still have not. I own a gaming computer, a good one, and I know that even custom built it cost me over 1,400$ while trying my best to cut at evey corner while still maintaining ultra graphics on all games played thus far (except.. for some reason... minecraft always lagged for me, I'll never understand why) So, no, I'm not paid for saying a rumor is a rumor but until someone proves Cloud Processing is bullshit (in how they define it) or someone shows me a 500$ pc that's ability at playing games is equivalent then I have yet to be corrected. An Xbox One does not cost $500 It costs $500 + Tax (~$40) + Controllers (likely $60 per, reasonable to assume 2-3 will be bought for the average person) + the $5/mo xbox live subscription (many people will buy the package, so I think the deal is $50) So many people will be spending well over $700 at the end of this all and at best in the $600's Crazy... I always remember controllers coming with a console when you purchase it... But your claims equivalent to "man you gotta buy da mouse, da keyboard... you gotta buy da monitor... You can tell when claims are silly* when they try to scratch as much shit from the barrel as possible to justify their position. Will people spend more on an xbox then buying it :O SHOCKER, yes... But will they do so on a comp? In case you're stuck the answer is yes... A very special link about cloud computing for our great sensible and benevolent Hitch-22
You know that link had absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand right? It was basically a circle jerk about how defenseless you are when you operate with cloud processing vs's a having it on a desktop. Not a single comment was regarding whether or not xbox one (or anything for that matter) could operate cloud processing as the way Microsoft claimed.
Or did I read everything wrong there?
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China6327 Posts
On June 11 2013 04:40 Trumpstyle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:34 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:26 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:24 Djzapz wrote:No power supply, no OS, no storage. No no it's ok, he went found the cheapest shit he could find and tried to pass it off as equivalent or better then the xbox one while hoping no one opened the link. Also, I do take personal offense to this because the shit I linked is my personal budget build (other than the case and RAM brand) that I upgraded to last year. I run Metro Last Light at 50 FPS at 1920x1080 on High Settings and can get 35fps at complete max. I get 60 FPS in Planetside and 40-50 FPS in Shogun 2 on DX11 ultra settings. So you're full of shit that it's a "piece of crap" compared to the XBone. You need to consider optimization consoles get, like Ryse graphic we saw is far superior than Crysis 3 and you need to 680gtx minimun to play crysis 3 on high, and still xbone will outperform, also if you saw Battlefield 4 you need an 7990 amd card to get equal perfomance as xbox one. Than this is just first wave of games in few years graphic on the console will look much better. You will need around 3x 680gtx to get around same graphic as the console will get. You can just look at last of us or halo 4 and see no game on pc would run that on 7600gtx to know I speak the truth.
Um, I play Crysis 3 on Very High with SMAA, on a GTX670, and even a lower 7870 can handle it pretty well.
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United States47024 Posts
On June 11 2013 04:42 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:39 TheYango wrote:On June 11 2013 04:39 Djzapz wrote:
I'm not saying it's impossible to upgrade or build a PC using existing pieces, but if you're trying to study the market for the Xbone, it's probably a rather irrelevant amount of people. And as I said, it's also an equally irrelevant amount of people who are judging the consoles based on hardware specs at all, and not simply just on the games they want to play being on a particular one. I don't think it's irrelevant. I agree that exclusives play a huge role but people will be willing to pay a certain amount of money depending on how good they perceive the hardware to be. "Casuals" will be told that a certain console is more powerful than the other and so they'll pick out that one, except the people who are very attached to specific franchises.
The fact that the Wii was, by sales numbers, the most successful console of the last generation despite being considered the weakest hardware-wise seems to contest this claim. I'd argue that it "won" entirely based on the strength of its exclusive title library.
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Hitch, let's cut to the chase. I'm getting confused so why don't you tell me what you think cloud processing can do. I'm giving you the benefit of doubt that other people haven't given you (I don't blame them, posting a PC build with a CORE 2 DUO is laughable).
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On June 11 2013 04:48 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:42 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:39 TheYango wrote:On June 11 2013 04:39 Djzapz wrote:
I'm not saying it's impossible to upgrade or build a PC using existing pieces, but if you're trying to study the market for the Xbone, it's probably a rather irrelevant amount of people. And as I said, it's also an equally irrelevant amount of people who are judging the consoles based on hardware specs at all, and not simply just on the games they want to play being on a particular one. I don't think it's irrelevant. I agree that exclusives play a huge role but people will be willing to pay a certain amount of money depending on how good they perceive the hardware to be. "Casuals" will be told that a certain console is more powerful than the other and so they'll pick out that one, except the people who are very attached to specific franchises. The fact that the Wii was, by sales numbers, the most successful console of the last generation despite being considered the weakest hardware-wise seems to contest this claim. I'd argue that it "won" entirely based on the strength of its exclusive title library.
Also the whole motion controller idea + mass appeal to family.
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On June 11 2013 04:48 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:42 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:39 TheYango wrote:On June 11 2013 04:39 Djzapz wrote:
I'm not saying it's impossible to upgrade or build a PC using existing pieces, but if you're trying to study the market for the Xbone, it's probably a rather irrelevant amount of people. And as I said, it's also an equally irrelevant amount of people who are judging the consoles based on hardware specs at all, and not simply just on the games they want to play being on a particular one. I don't think it's irrelevant. I agree that exclusives play a huge role but people will be willing to pay a certain amount of money depending on how good they perceive the hardware to be. "Casuals" will be told that a certain console is more powerful than the other and so they'll pick out that one, except the people who are very attached to specific franchises. The fact that the Wii was, by sales numbers, the most successful console of the last generation despite being considered the weakest hardware-wise seems to contest this claim. I'd argue that it "won" entirely based on the strength of its exclusive title library.
Well yeah but that's a bit disingenuous because we obviously none of the consoles are directly comparable like that. The Wii clearly had other advantages which also weigh in. It doesn't mean that hardware doesn't matter, clearly it does.
It's no secret that Xbox360/PS3 are an entirely different demographic too. I think the PS4 will have a marked advantage over Xbone, notably because of its superior hardware (and everything else that makes the xbox one look like shit). And given that Microsoft probably won't manage to actually do interesting shit with the Kinect, it's the hardware that'll do the work.
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So are we just using this as the e3 thread then?
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On June 11 2013 04:48 Womwomwom wrote:
Hitch, let's cut to the chase. I'm getting confused so why don't you tell me what you think cloud processing can do. I'm giving you the benefit of doubt that other people haven't given you (I don't blame them, posting a PC build with a CORE 2 DUO is laughable).
It's been running 2013 DX11 games for me quite well at 1920x1080, so I'm lost at where the laughable part is.
Unless I'm misreading your comment horrendously.
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Russian Federation410 Posts
It's amazing that every single Microsoft discussion, be it about Xbox or new Windows or whatever, always turns into computer building thread sprinkled with bits of corporate politics and technoligical advances.
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On June 11 2013 04:22 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:16 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:13 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 11 2013 04:12 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:12 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:10 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:10 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:08 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:05 Hitch-22 wrote:
Every person who says "won't beat my computer" deserves a quick slap in the face... Show me a computer that runs 8core cpu with as powerful a gpu for 500$ and I'll eat my own words. That's not even fucking including the kinect which in and of itself is easily a couple hundred dollars cut down in price.
"YO I WANT A COMPUTER CONSOLE BRO" ok go fucking spend 1,000 and get one and fuck off... But don't bitch about 500$+ pricetag on a console, its exhausting. Why do you care so much? Because... Why join a discussion if you're going to spew bullshit? It's exhausting reading 100's and 100's of comments on the power of a PC vs console when the console is hundreds of dollars cheaper... It's like those idiots who run around with 2.5k macbook pro and say "Man dat 500 laptop, aint as good as this macbook" and you just wanna slam your face into a desk. It doesn't exhaust me. Are you new to the internets? We have our dumb people here. Indeed, perhaps I've been worn down to far after years and years of stupid comments. "Yo did you know dat da cloud is complete impossible, Xbox totally lying" , "Yo PC so much more powerful bro, buy one!" my head implodes... Anywho, who thought that Titan game looked sick. Are you implying you can't build a $500 PC that will massively outperform the Xbox One? with his current knowledge of computers, he probably can't lolol Show me a PC built better then the xbox one that has higher graphic quality, faster processing and better ram for 500$ and I'll conceit defeat on the topic. love the guy above me "Lets factor in the price of games for the console to equate its power!" palm to face once again http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128544http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148543http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130720http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147123$510 ib4 you bringing up 8 core vs dual core, it matters almost fucking nothing. EDIT: Derp, forgot power supply and DVROM. Guess it's more like $600. So I concede, not $500, it's $600. Which is about what it will cost with your tax + subscription fee anyways.
You're right. Dual core means nothing when you're just running 1 game most of the time. However, throw in some of the features of the XBox One in there and the extra cores start coming in handy (the Kinect specifically uses at least 1 more core to function). Same thing with a PC, which obviously runs more than just SC2 at any one time. It also allows flexibility with developers, allowing them to parallelize certain elements.
On to the GPU, you've picked out a real POS compared to what is available for PC gaming and compared to the XBox One.
You've likely also picked out much slower RAM, but we can let that slide seeing as how we don't know the specific memory specs of the XBox One.
There are also a number of parts missing, like PSU, Blu-Ray, and Wi-Fi. Even if we self contain this to PC performance, this is a mid-level PC at best for gaming. It's not close to the specs of an XBox One.
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On June 11 2013 04:48 TheYango wrote:
The fact that the Wii was, by sales numbers, the most successful console of the last generation despite being considered the weakest hardware-wise seems to contest this claim. I'd argue that it "won" entirely based on the strength of its exclusive title library.
I would argue that the pricepoint was a major factor as well.
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