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They are lying that it will improve graphics directly. They aren't lying that things like AI can improve.
Also: if you want to source technology, pick your sources better. Eurogamer's Digital Foundry actually does a lot of good work on technical analysis of hardware and console games. We're talking about esoteric bullshit. Am I going to listen to Digital Spy? No, I'm not because they're literally a wank rag that deals with entertainment news.
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On June 11 2013 04:26 Gentso wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:24 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:22 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:16 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:13 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 11 2013 04:12 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:12 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:10 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:10 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:08 Djzapz wrote:
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Why do you care so much? Because... Why join a discussion if you're going to spew bullshit? It's exhausting reading 100's and 100's of comments on the power of a PC vs console when the console is hundreds of dollars cheaper... It's like those idiots who run around with 2.5k macbook pro and say "Man dat 500 laptop, aint as good as this macbook" and you just wanna slam your face into a desk. It doesn't exhaust me. Are you new to the internets?  We have our dumb people here. Indeed, perhaps I've been worn down to far after years and years of stupid comments. "Yo did you know dat da cloud is complete impossible, Xbox totally lying" , "Yo PC so much more powerful bro, buy one!" my head implodes... Anywho, who thought that Titan game looked sick. Are you implying you can't build a $500 PC that will massively outperform the Xbox One? with his current knowledge of computers, he probably can't lolol Show me a PC built better then the xbox one that has higher graphic quality, faster processing and better ram for 500$ and I'll conceit defeat on the topic. love the guy above me "Lets factor in the price of games for the console to equate its power!"  palm to face once again http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128544http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148543http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130720http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147123$510 ib4 you bringing up 8 core vs dual core, it matters almost fucking nothing. No power supply, no OS, no storage. You're tlaking about gaming PC's for gamers. You guys play starcraft right? You already own these things.
We're not talking about ourselves, but anyway people are not likely to yank PSUs and hard drives for their existing PCs to make a new PC capable of outperforming next gen consoles. We're talking about prices to acquire the device from nothing.
I still think getting a $1000 gaming PC makes more sense for almost everybody. Even little kids - if they want to play games, they should do it on a PC where they can also do their homework and whatnot.
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On June 11 2013 04:28 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:24 PassiveAce wrote:On June 11 2013 04:21 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:19 Womwomwom wrote:Hi Hitch, can you explain how cloud processing will make the Xbox One so much more powerful. Please show me your working out because I'd love to see it. At the E3, literally the only thing cloud processing provided was in Forza 5. And that's to make the AI better. I never once tried to affirm or debunk but you, sir, have blatantly claimed knowledge of its works as if you have some for seen god affirming belief that would debunk it. Microsoft has made claims it would increase processing over the cloud and rely less on its console processors and I have yet to see a single reason to think Microsoft would fabricate lies with false advertising if it weren't true. Hmm yes why would microsoft want to exaggerate the performance of their hardware my mind is boggled Exaggeration =/= lying. They can say the cloud processing will "insert hyperbolic statement" but the minute they say it will have an affect on processing, which they have, it becomes false advertising if it's not true. We have been told it will help decrease the load on the Xbox One, meaning it works. Wom seems to think otherwise and blatantly has stated so.
We already have experienced a company lying to us about the power of cloud computing. Or did you not witness the disaster of Sim City 5?
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United States47024 Posts
On June 11 2013 04:29 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:26 Gentso wrote:On June 11 2013 04:24 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:22 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:16 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:13 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 11 2013 04:12 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:12 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:10 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:10 Hitch-22 wrote:
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Because... Why join a discussion if you're going to spew bullshit? It's exhausting reading 100's and 100's of comments on the power of a PC vs console when the console is hundreds of dollars cheaper... It's like those idiots who run around with 2.5k macbook pro and say "Man dat 500 laptop, aint as good as this macbook" and you just wanna slam your face into a desk. It doesn't exhaust me. Are you new to the internets? We have our dumb people here. Indeed, perhaps I've been worn down to far after years and years of stupid comments. "Yo did you know dat da cloud is complete impossible, Xbox totally lying" , "Yo PC so much more powerful bro, buy one!" my head implodes... Anywho, who thought that Titan game looked sick. Are you implying you can't build a $500 PC that will massively outperform the Xbox One? with his current knowledge of computers, he probably can't lolol Show me a PC built better then the xbox one that has higher graphic quality, faster processing and better ram for 500$ and I'll conceit defeat on the topic. love the guy above me "Lets factor in the price of games for the console to equate its power!" palm to face once again http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128544http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148543http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130720http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147123$510 ib4 you bringing up 8 core vs dual core, it matters almost fucking nothing. No power supply, no OS, no storage. You're tlaking about gaming PC's for gamers. You guys play starcraft right? You already own these things. We're not talking about ourselves, but anyway people are not likely to yank PSUs and hard drives for their existing PCs to make a new PC capable of outperforming next gen consoles. We're talking about prices to acquire the device from nothing. I still think getting a $1000 gaming PC makes more sense for almost everybody. Even little kids - if they want to play games, they should do it on a PC where they can also do their homework and whatnot.
Really the proper comparison is the cost of an Xbox gamer owning an Xbone + general purpose PC vs the cost of a PC gamer owning a gaming PC. Because the gaming PC functions as a general purpose PC while the Xbone gamer still needs a general purpose PC for his other needs.
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On June 11 2013 04:28 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:24 PassiveAce wrote:On June 11 2013 04:21 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:19 Womwomwom wrote:Hi Hitch, can you explain how cloud processing will make the Xbox One so much more powerful. Please show me your working out because I'd love to see it. At the E3, literally the only thing cloud processing provided was in Forza 5. And that's to make the AI better. I never once tried to affirm or debunk but you, sir, have blatantly claimed knowledge of its works as if you have some for seen god affirming belief that would debunk it. Microsoft has made claims it would increase processing over the cloud and rely less on its console processors and I have yet to see a single reason to think Microsoft would fabricate lies with false advertising if it weren't true. Hmm yes why would microsoft want to exaggerate the performance of their hardware my mind is boggled Exaggeration =/= lying. They can say the cloud processing will "insert hyperbolic statement" but the minute they say it will have an affect on processing, which they have, it becomes false advertising if it's not true. We have been told it will help decrease the load on the Xbox One, meaning it works. Wom seems to think otherwise and blatantly has stated so.
ok, I am seriously beginning to think you are being paid by M$ to post here...
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Wom has given a technical reason as to why rendering from the "cloud" is incredibly inefficient/impossible.
All youv done is say that microsoft must be right because "why would they lie"
are you kidding me lol.
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On June 11 2013 04:26 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:24 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:22 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:16 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:13 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 11 2013 04:12 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:12 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:10 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:10 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:08 Djzapz wrote:
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Why do you care so much? Because... Why join a discussion if you're going to spew bullshit? It's exhausting reading 100's and 100's of comments on the power of a PC vs console when the console is hundreds of dollars cheaper... It's like those idiots who run around with 2.5k macbook pro and say "Man dat 500 laptop, aint as good as this macbook" and you just wanna slam your face into a desk. It doesn't exhaust me. Are you new to the internets? We have our dumb people here. Indeed, perhaps I've been worn down to far after years and years of stupid comments. "Yo did you know dat da cloud is complete impossible, Xbox totally lying" , "Yo PC so much more powerful bro, buy one!" my head implodes... Anywho, who thought that Titan game looked sick. Are you implying you can't build a $500 PC that will massively outperform the Xbox One? with his current knowledge of computers, he probably can't lolol Show me a PC built better then the xbox one that has higher graphic quality, faster processing and better ram for 500$ and I'll conceit defeat on the topic. love the guy above me "Lets factor in the price of games for the console to equate its power!" palm to face once again http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128544http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148543http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130720http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147123$510 ib4 you bringing up 8 core vs dual core, it matters almost fucking nothing. No power supply, no OS, no storage. No no it's ok, he went found the cheapest shit he could find and tried to pass it off as equivalent or better then the xbox one while hoping no one opened the link.
I don't know why you're taking this so personally.
If you want we can take into account the price of the Xbox One's controllers, which will be WELL over $100 for two or three. Even at a bare minimum of one you got $40 of tax from the original purchase of the XBone + $60 for controller, which is already up to the rough $600 figure that comes from my build. If we really want to nit pick you have to spend $1000 on a television to play your game on.
Yes, Consoles have a lot of convenience to them. I don't hate consoles. I'm probably going to get a PS4 within a few weeks of its release and enjoy the living shit out of it. My rant isn't against consoles, my rant is that you think PC's is some expensive endeavor and that console gaming is super duper cheap comparatively. It's as inane as saying that you need to upgrade your PC every 6 months for $4500 just to play modern games.
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On June 11 2013 04:29 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:24 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:22 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:16 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:13 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 11 2013 04:12 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:12 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:10 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:10 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:08 Djzapz wrote:
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Why do you care so much? Because... Why join a discussion if you're going to spew bullshit? It's exhausting reading 100's and 100's of comments on the power of a PC vs console when the console is hundreds of dollars cheaper... It's like those idiots who run around with 2.5k macbook pro and say "Man dat 500 laptop, aint as good as this macbook" and you just wanna slam your face into a desk. It doesn't exhaust me. Are you new to the internets? We have our dumb people here. Indeed, perhaps I've been worn down to far after years and years of stupid comments. "Yo did you know dat da cloud is complete impossible, Xbox totally lying" , "Yo PC so much more powerful bro, buy one!" my head implodes... Anywho, who thought that Titan game looked sick. Are you implying you can't build a $500 PC that will massively outperform the Xbox One? with his current knowledge of computers, he probably can't lolol Show me a PC built better then the xbox one that has higher graphic quality, faster processing and better ram for 500$ and I'll conceit defeat on the topic. love the guy above me "Lets factor in the price of games for the console to equate its power!" palm to face once again http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128544http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148543http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130720http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147123$510 ib4 you bringing up 8 core vs dual core, it matters almost fucking nothing. No power supply, no OS, no storage. You already have those things. Making the upgrade comparison is valid because the Xbox gamer can't go without having a PC, but the PC gamer can go without having an Xbox. Really the proper comparison is the cost of an Xbox gamer owning an Xbone + general purpose PC vs the cost of a PC gamer owning a gaming PC. Because the gaming PC functions as a general purpose PC while the Xbone gamer still needs a general purpose PC for his other needs.
I made those points. But like I said people won't scavenge their PC parts like that.
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On June 11 2013 04:29 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:28 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:24 PassiveAce wrote:On June 11 2013 04:21 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:19 Womwomwom wrote:Hi Hitch, can you explain how cloud processing will make the Xbox One so much more powerful. Please show me your working out because I'd love to see it. At the E3, literally the only thing cloud processing provided was in Forza 5. And that's to make the AI better. I never once tried to affirm or debunk but you, sir, have blatantly claimed knowledge of its works as if you have some for seen god affirming belief that would debunk it. Microsoft has made claims it would increase processing over the cloud and rely less on its console processors and I have yet to see a single reason to think Microsoft would fabricate lies with false advertising if it weren't true. Hmm yes why would microsoft want to exaggerate the performance of their hardware my mind is boggled Exaggeration =/= lying. They can say the cloud processing will "insert hyperbolic statement" but the minute they say it will have an affect on processing, which they have, it becomes false advertising if it's not true. We have been told it will help decrease the load on the Xbox One, meaning it works. Wom seems to think otherwise and blatantly has stated so. ok, I am seriously beginning to think you are being paid by M$ to post here...
remember team liquid had that samsung guy posting here XD
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On June 11 2013 04:29 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:26 Gentso wrote:On June 11 2013 04:24 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:22 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:16 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:13 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 11 2013 04:12 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:12 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:10 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:10 Hitch-22 wrote:
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Because... Why join a discussion if you're going to spew bullshit? It's exhausting reading 100's and 100's of comments on the power of a PC vs console when the console is hundreds of dollars cheaper... It's like those idiots who run around with 2.5k macbook pro and say "Man dat 500 laptop, aint as good as this macbook" and you just wanna slam your face into a desk. It doesn't exhaust me. Are you new to the internets? We have our dumb people here. Indeed, perhaps I've been worn down to far after years and years of stupid comments. "Yo did you know dat da cloud is complete impossible, Xbox totally lying" , "Yo PC so much more powerful bro, buy one!" my head implodes... Anywho, who thought that Titan game looked sick. Are you implying you can't build a $500 PC that will massively outperform the Xbox One? with his current knowledge of computers, he probably can't lolol Show me a PC built better then the xbox one that has higher graphic quality, faster processing and better ram for 500$ and I'll conceit defeat on the topic. love the guy above me "Lets factor in the price of games for the console to equate its power!" palm to face once again http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128544http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148543http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130720http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147123$510 ib4 you bringing up 8 core vs dual core, it matters almost fucking nothing. No power supply, no OS, no storage. You're tlaking about gaming PC's for gamers. You guys play starcraft right? You already own these things. We're not talking about ourselves, but anyway people are not likely to yank PSUs and hard drives for their existing PCs to make a new PC capable of outperforming next gen consoles. We're talking about prices to acquire the device from nothing. I still think getting a $1000 gaming PC makes more sense for almost everybody. Even little kids - if they want to play games, they should do it on a PC where they can also do their homework and whatnot.
What? What you're talking about is 'not likely'. Logically if a game is spending money to make a gaming PC he's spending money on parts to upgrade his existing computer. That being said, $500 is about right to be even more power than Xone.
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Btw i'm still confused as to why Xbox-live gold still costs a subscription fee to provide basic features even with the new generation.
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On June 11 2013 04:31 s3rp wrote:
Btw i'm still confused as to why Xbox-live still costs a subscription fee for basic features even with the new generation.
Because idiots paid for it from the start. Same thing as DLC, people bought it and now they make it before the game is even released.
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On June 11 2013 04:26 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:24 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:22 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:16 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:13 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 11 2013 04:12 Fruscainte wrote:On June 11 2013 04:12 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:10 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:10 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:08 Djzapz wrote:
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Why do you care so much? Because... Why join a discussion if you're going to spew bullshit? It's exhausting reading 100's and 100's of comments on the power of a PC vs console when the console is hundreds of dollars cheaper... It's like those idiots who run around with 2.5k macbook pro and say "Man dat 500 laptop, aint as good as this macbook" and you just wanna slam your face into a desk. It doesn't exhaust me. Are you new to the internets? We have our dumb people here. Indeed, perhaps I've been worn down to far after years and years of stupid comments. "Yo did you know dat da cloud is complete impossible, Xbox totally lying" , "Yo PC so much more powerful bro, buy one!" my head implodes... Anywho, who thought that Titan game looked sick. Are you implying you can't build a $500 PC that will massively outperform the Xbox One? with his current knowledge of computers, he probably can't lolol Show me a PC built better then the xbox one that has higher graphic quality, faster processing and better ram for 500$ and I'll conceit defeat on the topic. love the guy above me "Lets factor in the price of games for the console to equate its power!" palm to face once again http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128544http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148543http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130720http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147123$510 ib4 you bringing up 8 core vs dual core, it matters almost fucking nothing. No power supply, no OS, no storage. No no it's ok, he went found the cheapest shit he could find and tried to pass it off as equivalent or better then the xbox one while hoping no one opened the link.
Also, I do take personal offense to this because the shit I linked is my personal budget build (other than the case and RAM brand) that I upgraded to last year. I run Metro Last Light at 50 FPS at 1920x1080 on High Settings and can get 35fps at complete max. I get 60 FPS in Planetside and 40-50 FPS in Shogun 2 on DX11 ultra settings.
So you're full of shit that it's a "piece of crap" compared to the XBone.
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On June 11 2013 04:29 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:28 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:24 PassiveAce wrote:On June 11 2013 04:21 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:19 Womwomwom wrote:Hi Hitch, can you explain how cloud processing will make the Xbox One so much more powerful. Please show me your working out because I'd love to see it. At the E3, literally the only thing cloud processing provided was in Forza 5. And that's to make the AI better. I never once tried to affirm or debunk but you, sir, have blatantly claimed knowledge of its works as if you have some for seen god affirming belief that would debunk it. Microsoft has made claims it would increase processing over the cloud and rely less on its console processors and I have yet to see a single reason to think Microsoft would fabricate lies with false advertising if it weren't true. Hmm yes why would microsoft want to exaggerate the performance of their hardware my mind is boggled Exaggeration =/= lying. They can say the cloud processing will "insert hyperbolic statement" but the minute they say it will have an affect on processing, which they have, it becomes false advertising if it's not true. We have been told it will help decrease the load on the Xbox One, meaning it works. Wom seems to think otherwise and blatantly has stated so. ok, I am seriously beginning to think you are being paid by M$ to post here...
Small minds conjure conspiracy at every turn.
That being said I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed by their privacy settings and the fact they did not address the used games yet but it's blatantly not true to call their cloud claims fabrications when no one has proven to debunk them. Until Microsoft is proven the liar then it's pure speculation which is then turned to pure rumour and more bullshit ensues.
My claims have been, for the most part, in this thread about how you can't, from scratch, build a 500$ computer as powerful as the specified xbox one with regards to playing games. We had a ridiculous few posts with worse hardware earlier and my claim remains the same. I have yet to ever see a gaming computer equivalent and still have not. I own a gaming computer, a good one, and I know that even custom built it cost me over 1,400$ while trying my best to cut at evey corner (not the best financially off, saved every scrap I could t.t )while still maintaining ultra graphics on all games played thus far (except.. for some reason... minecraft always lagged for me, I'll never understand why)
So, no, I'm not paid for saying a rumor is a rumor but until someone proves Cloud Processing is bullshit (in how they define it) or someone shows me a 500$ pc that's ability at playing games is equivalent then I have yet to be corrected.
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United States47024 Posts
On June 11 2013 04:29 Djzapz wrote:
I still think getting a $1000 gaming PC makes more sense for almost everybody. Even little kids - if they want to play games, they should do it on a PC where they can also do their homework and whatnot.
Honestly, this whole argument is quite pointless, because to the average user, the main differentiator for the past few console generations has primarily been the exclusive titles and very little to do with the actual hardware. People bought a 360 because they wanted to play Halo, or a PS3 because they wanted to play Final Fantasy, not because of the hypothetical computing power inside the box. I don't think this generation will do anything to change that.
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On June 11 2013 04:34 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:29 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 11 2013 04:28 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:24 PassiveAce wrote:On June 11 2013 04:21 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:19 Womwomwom wrote:Hi Hitch, can you explain how cloud processing will make the Xbox One so much more powerful. Please show me your working out because I'd love to see it. At the E3, literally the only thing cloud processing provided was in Forza 5. And that's to make the AI better. I never once tried to affirm or debunk but you, sir, have blatantly claimed knowledge of its works as if you have some for seen god affirming belief that would debunk it. Microsoft has made claims it would increase processing over the cloud and rely less on its console processors and I have yet to see a single reason to think Microsoft would fabricate lies with false advertising if it weren't true. Hmm yes why would microsoft want to exaggerate the performance of their hardware my mind is boggled Exaggeration =/= lying. They can say the cloud processing will "insert hyperbolic statement" but the minute they say it will have an affect on processing, which they have, it becomes false advertising if it's not true. We have been told it will help decrease the load on the Xbox One, meaning it works. Wom seems to think otherwise and blatantly has stated so. ok, I am seriously beginning to think you are being paid by M$ to post here... Small minds conjure conspiracy at every turn. That being said I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed by their privacy settings and the fact they did not address the used games yet but it's blatantly not true to call their cloud claims fabrications when no one has proven to debunk them. Until Microsoft is proven the liar then it's pure speculation which is then turned to pure rumour and more bullshit ensues. My claims have been, for the most part, in this thread about how you can't, from scratch, build a 500$ computer as powerful as the specified xbox one with regards to playing games. We had a ridiculous few posts with worse hardware earlier and my claim remains the same. I have yet to ever see a gaming computer equivalent and still have not. I own a gaming computer, a good one, and I know that even custom built it cost me over 1,400$ while trying my best to cut at evey corner while still maintaining ultra graphics on all games played thus far (except.. for some reason... minecraft always lagged for me, I'll never understand why) So, no, I'm not paid for saying a rumor is a rumor but until someone proves Cloud Processing is bullshit (in how they define it) or someone shows me a 500$ pc that's ability at playing games is equivalent then I have yet to be corrected.
An Xbox One does not cost $500
It costs $500 + Tax (~$40) + Controllers (likely $60 per, reasonable to assume 2-3 will be bought for the average person) + the $5/mo xbox live subscription (many people will buy the package, so I think the deal is $50)
So many people will be spending well over $700 at the end of this all and at best in the $600's
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On June 11 2013 04:29 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:28 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:24 PassiveAce wrote:On June 11 2013 04:21 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:19 Womwomwom wrote:Hi Hitch, can you explain how cloud processing will make the Xbox One so much more powerful. Please show me your working out because I'd love to see it. At the E3, literally the only thing cloud processing provided was in Forza 5. And that's to make the AI better. I never once tried to affirm or debunk but you, sir, have blatantly claimed knowledge of its works as if you have some for seen god affirming belief that would debunk it. Microsoft has made claims it would increase processing over the cloud and rely less on its console processors and I have yet to see a single reason to think Microsoft would fabricate lies with false advertising if it weren't true. Hmm yes why would microsoft want to exaggerate the performance of their hardware my mind is boggled Exaggeration =/= lying. They can say the cloud processing will "insert hyperbolic statement" but the minute they say it will have an affect on processing, which they have, it becomes false advertising if it's not true. We have been told it will help decrease the load on the Xbox One, meaning it works. Wom seems to think otherwise and blatantly has stated so. ok, I am seriously beginning to think you are being paid by M$ to post here...
Yeah, i would think that too if he were just slightly less of a douchebag. So, awesome. I have a 360 already, so I don't need to buy a new case or power supply. If it is running on blu ray i suppose I need to update the disc drive, processor, ram. Oh, I just have to buy the whole new system? can't change parts, can't play it if I don't have internet after a move? can't play games from any other region? oh but I can wave my arms like a fucking monkey and tell it to turn on? please tell everyone how stupid they are who think this box is a waste of money.
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On June 11 2013 04:31 Gentso wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:29 Djzapz wrote:On June 11 2013 04:26 Gentso wrote:On June 11 2013 04:24 Djzapz wrote:No power supply, no OS, no storage. You're tlaking about gaming PC's for gamers. You guys play starcraft right? You already own these things. We're not talking about ourselves, but anyway people are not likely to yank PSUs and hard drives for their existing PCs to make a new PC capable of outperforming next gen consoles. We're talking about prices to acquire the device from nothing. I still think getting a $1000 gaming PC makes more sense for almost everybody. Even little kids - if they want to play games, they should do it on a PC where they can also do their homework and whatnot. What? What you're talking about is 'not likely'. Logically if a game is spending money to make a gaming PC he's spending money on parts to upgrade his existing computer. That being said, $500 is about right to be even more power than Xone.
We're talking about different things now, I'm not sure what you're going for exactly. That said, you need about $600-650 for hardware that's equivalent in terms of performance to an Xbone, and that doesn't take optimization into account. For $800, you can build a PC which will outperform the Xbone seriously AND can serve as a well-rounded windows workstation for work, browsing, e-mail, homework, social networking or whatever the hell people want to do.
I'm definitely saying that this is preferable - like somebody else said, you can do without an Xbone but you can't do without a PC. I'm in favor of combining the two - but the problem is, if your PC is already worth less than say $600, don't upgrade that shit. And if you're building something around $600-800, why would you scavenge pieces from an existing PC? It's not a good idea - typically people will prefer to keep the older PC functional and put it to another use or sell it off...
I'm not saying it's impossible to upgrade or build a PC using existing pieces, but if you're trying to study the market for the Xbone, it's probably a rather irrelevant amount of people.
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On June 11 2013 04:34 Hitch-22 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:29 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 11 2013 04:28 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:24 PassiveAce wrote:On June 11 2013 04:21 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:19 Womwomwom wrote:Hi Hitch, can you explain how cloud processing will make the Xbox One so much more powerful. Please show me your working out because I'd love to see it. At the E3, literally the only thing cloud processing provided was in Forza 5. And that's to make the AI better. I never once tried to affirm or debunk but you, sir, have blatantly claimed knowledge of its works as if you have some for seen god affirming belief that would debunk it. Microsoft has made claims it would increase processing over the cloud and rely less on its console processors and I have yet to see a single reason to think Microsoft would fabricate lies with false advertising if it weren't true. Hmm yes why would microsoft want to exaggerate the performance of their hardware my mind is boggled Exaggeration =/= lying. They can say the cloud processing will "insert hyperbolic statement" but the minute they say it will have an affect on processing, which they have, it becomes false advertising if it's not true. We have been told it will help decrease the load on the Xbox One, meaning it works. Wom seems to think otherwise and blatantly has stated so. ok, I am seriously beginning to think you are being paid by M$ to post here... Small minds conjure conspiracy at every turn. That being said I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed by their privacy settings and the fact they did not address the used games yet but it's blatantly not true to call their cloud claims fabrications when no one has proven to debunk them. Until Microsoft is proven the liar then it's pure speculation which is then turned to pure rumour and more bullshit ensues. My claims have been, for the most part, in this thread about how you can't, from scratch, build a 500$ computer as powerful as the specified xbox one with regards to playing games. We had a ridiculous few posts with worse hardware earlier and my claim remains the same. I have yet to ever see a gaming computer equivalent and still have not. I own a gaming computer, a good one, and I know that even custom built it cost me over 1,400$ while trying my best to cut at evey corner while still maintaining ultra graphics on all games played thus far (except.. for some reason... minecraft always lagged for me, I'll never understand why) So, no, I'm not paid for saying a rumor is a rumor but until someone proves Cloud Processing is bullshit (in how they define it) or someone shows me a 500$ pc that's ability at playing games is equivalent then I have yet to be corrected.
You must be ignoring my posts. I posted one that when using parts that you currently have you can build a PC at least on par with the xbox1 for $471.97.
On June 11 2013 04:22 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:05 Hitch-22 wrote:Every person who says "won't beat my computer" deserves a quick slap in the face... Show me a computer that runs 8core cpu with as powerful a gpu for 500$ and I'll eat my own words. That's not even fucking including the kinect which in and of itself is easily a couple hundred dollars cut down in price. "YO I WANT A COMPUTER CONSOLE BRO" ok go fucking spend 1,000 and get one and fuck off... But don't bitch about 500$+ pricetag on a console, its exhausting. http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3118_7-6662171-5.html here's an example, likely outdated. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2396974,00.asp 2011 so shift it 2 years and you can imagine the same. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/14ZoEThis will run every modern game on high settings. You can also easily drop $100 by getting a cheaper mobo/gpu, and a little more than that with a worse processor. You also can reuse almost all of it. If you already have a case, DVD drive, HDD, and PSU you can drop that cost down to 541.96. DDR3 may also last for a while so you wont have to buy better memory when you upgrade later on down the road knocking off another $70.
Then in regards to the cloud computing "why would they lie" argument I even have a real example of lying about cloud computing ALREADY happening.
On June 11 2013 04:29 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:28 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:24 PassiveAce wrote:On June 11 2013 04:21 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:19 Womwomwom wrote:Hi Hitch, can you explain how cloud processing will make the Xbox One so much more powerful. Please show me your working out because I'd love to see it. At the E3, literally the only thing cloud processing provided was in Forza 5. And that's to make the AI better. I never once tried to affirm or debunk but you, sir, have blatantly claimed knowledge of its works as if you have some for seen god affirming belief that would debunk it. Microsoft has made claims it would increase processing over the cloud and rely less on its console processors and I have yet to see a single reason to think Microsoft would fabricate lies with false advertising if it weren't true. Hmm yes why would microsoft want to exaggerate the performance of their hardware my mind is boggled Exaggeration =/= lying. They can say the cloud processing will "insert hyperbolic statement" but the minute they say it will have an affect on processing, which they have, it becomes false advertising if it's not true. We have been told it will help decrease the load on the Xbox One, meaning it works. Wom seems to think otherwise and blatantly has stated so. We already have experienced a company lying to us about the power of cloud computing. Or did you not witness the disaster of Sim City 5?
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On June 11 2013 04:37 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:34 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:29 amazingxkcd wrote:On June 11 2013 04:28 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:24 PassiveAce wrote:On June 11 2013 04:21 Hitch-22 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:19 Womwomwom wrote:Hi Hitch, can you explain how cloud processing will make the Xbox One so much more powerful. Please show me your working out because I'd love to see it. At the E3, literally the only thing cloud processing provided was in Forza 5. And that's to make the AI better. I never once tried to affirm or debunk but you, sir, have blatantly claimed knowledge of its works as if you have some for seen god affirming belief that would debunk it. Microsoft has made claims it would increase processing over the cloud and rely less on its console processors and I have yet to see a single reason to think Microsoft would fabricate lies with false advertising if it weren't true. Hmm yes why would microsoft want to exaggerate the performance of their hardware my mind is boggled Exaggeration =/= lying. They can say the cloud processing will "insert hyperbolic statement" but the minute they say it will have an affect on processing, which they have, it becomes false advertising if it's not true. We have been told it will help decrease the load on the Xbox One, meaning it works. Wom seems to think otherwise and blatantly has stated so. ok, I am seriously beginning to think you are being paid by M$ to post here... Small minds conjure conspiracy at every turn. That being said I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed by their privacy settings and the fact they did not address the used games yet but it's blatantly not true to call their cloud claims fabrications when no one has proven to debunk them. Until Microsoft is proven the liar then it's pure speculation which is then turned to pure rumour and more bullshit ensues. My claims have been, for the most part, in this thread about how you can't, from scratch, build a 500$ computer as powerful as the specified xbox one with regards to playing games. We had a ridiculous few posts with worse hardware earlier and my claim remains the same. I have yet to ever see a gaming computer equivalent and still have not. I own a gaming computer, a good one, and I know that even custom built it cost me over 1,400$ while trying my best to cut at evey corner while still maintaining ultra graphics on all games played thus far (except.. for some reason... minecraft always lagged for me, I'll never understand why) So, no, I'm not paid for saying a rumor is a rumor but until someone proves Cloud Processing is bullshit (in how they define it) or someone shows me a 500$ pc that's ability at playing games is equivalent then I have yet to be corrected. An Xbox One does not cost $500 It costs $500 + Tax (~$40) + Controllers (likely $60 per, reasonable to assume 2-3 will be bought for the average person) + the $5/mo xbox live subscription (many people will buy the package, so I think the deal is $50) So many people will be spending well over $700 at the end of this all and at best in the $600's
Crazy... I always remember controllers coming with a console when you purchase it... But your claims equivalent to "man you gotta buy da mouse, da keyboard... you gotta buy da monitor...
You can tell when claims are silly* when they try to scratch as much shit from the barrel as possible to justify their position.
Will people spend more on an xbox then buying it :O SHOCKER, yes... But will they do so on a comp? In case you're stuck the answer is yes...
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