EPTTwitch is literally losing money by banning him.
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tyr
France1686 Posts
Twitch is literally losing money by banning him. | ||
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wozzot
United States1227 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On November 21 2013 03:53 tyr wrote: Werster has thousands of viewers every time he streams and dozens of subscribers. Twitch is literally losing money by banning him. I'm sure the amount of money Werster brings won't bankrupt Twitch. He is just one of the big streamers in the speedrunning community, and there are several other communities with a bigger viewership. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On November 21 2013 03:53 tyr wrote: Werster has thousands of viewers every time he streams and dozens of subscribers. Twitch is literally losing money by banning him. Actually (and do correct me if I'm wrong here), Werster (like most speedrunners) doesn't run any ads, so they are not losing any money at all. The only money they would lose are his future subscribers, and in contrast to that they'll save money on not having his stream online. | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
On November 21 2013 03:27 NovaMB wrote: That first sentence already tells me that it wont be an unbiased assessment of the situation. Cyghfers emotes were removed because someone put a takedown request on them ( which was justified because there were copyrighted characters used iirc) and not because they were inappropiate. They have every right to cover their asses from potential lawsuits. And asking to have a twitch employee fired isnt really the smartest idea these guys ever had. And since this has now lead to all this bullshit I wouldnt be surprised if its upheld Except they flat out don't even try to pursue any copyright violations from League channels in the form of music and emotes because "big companies don't seem to care about twitch." <== Yes, that's an actual quote. Yet, they remove a ton of non-copyrighted emotes due to "copyrighted content" including the touhou emotes, when one of their STAFF MEMBERS has pretty much every touhou character as an emote. It sounds biased but it's based in past events. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
E: was @conti | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On November 21 2013 03:58 Raelcun wrote: Except they flat out don't even try to pursue any copyright violations from League channels in the form of music and emotes because "big companies don't seem to care about twitch." <== Yes, that's an actual quote. Yet, they remove a ton of non-copyrighted emotes due to "copyrighted content" including the touhou emotes, when one of their STAFF MEMBERS has pretty much every touhou character as an emote. It sounds biased but it's based in past events. It's not that Twith doesn't have absurd standards for what they accept as emotes, they clearly make no sense at all, but when their post says copyrighted content is "100x worse" than the picture of a cat, it's hard to take it seriously. Noone cares about random emotes called "muhboopies" or characters that you can find pictures far worse than the NightLine one. People are just focusing on the wrong things. Twitch is completelly inconsistent in their rulings and applied absurd punishments for little reason, and this is nothing new, but the community seems to be more worried about seeing a picture that remembers them some people like weird shit. In Twitch chat of all places, not the safest enviroment for children. And this is the gaming community, they are not exactly known for their support of censorship on violence and sex in their own media. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On November 21 2013 03:58 Raelcun wrote: Except they flat out don't even try to pursue any copyright violations from League channels in the form of music and emotes because "big companies don't seem to care about twitch." <== Yes, that's an actual quote. Yet, they remove a ton of non-copyrighted emotes due to "copyrighted content" including the touhou emotes, when one of their STAFF MEMBERS has pretty much every touhou character as an emote. It sounds biased but it's based in past events. Music streaming in the background is a ginormous elephant in the room. Strictly speaking, it would have to be banned entirely or twitch would have to make a deal with the MPAA, which would most likely cost them way too much to be affordable. And even more strictly speaking, twitch would have to make such a deal with every single country it streams to, much like youtube does. This could easily kill streaming as we know it. I can understand why they're ignoring this issue. Don't poke the sleeping dragon. It's going to wake up eventually anyhow, and by then twitch is hopefully big enough to have a better way to deal with it. Copyright violations in the form of emoticons can be easily dealt with, however, while posing the same risks. Just remove them. Done. Everything works just as it did before. So it makes sense to be more proactive there. Of course I'm not saying twitch couldn't have been more communicative about this and do its part to avoid all this drama, but still. Demanding a solution for the music streaming problem to "even the score" is about the most destructive thing the streaming community could possibly do to itself. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On November 21 2013 04:07 Conti wrote: Music streaming in the background is a ginormous elephant in the room. Strictly speaking, it would have to be banned entirely or twitch would have to make a deal with the MPAA, which would most likely cost them way too much to be affordable. And even more strictly speaking, twitch would have to make such a deal with every single country it streams to, much like youtube does. This could easily kill streaming as we know it. I can understand why they're ignoring this issue. Don't poke the sleeping dragon. It's going to wake up eventually anyhow, and by then twitch is hopefully big enough to have a better way to deal with it. Copyright violations in the form of emoticons can be easily dealt with, however, while posing the same risks. Just remove them. Done. Everything works just as it did before. So it makes sense to be more proactive there. Of course I'm not saying twitch couldn't have been more communicative about this and do its part to avoid all this drama, but still. Demanding a solution for the music streaming problem to "even the score" is about the most destructive thing the streaming community could possibly do to itself. The issue with emotes is that their rulings are extremelly inconsistent. Several subs submit obvious copyright material and they are accepted, some subs sent far less obvious material and it gets rejected. It all seems to depend on who analyzes it and how much they like the streamer. It has been a point of discussion for a very long time. Twith really needs to get their shit straight about it. You either ban copyrighted material for everyone, or you don't unless the company asks you to remove it. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On November 21 2013 04:10 SKC wrote: The issue with emotes is that their rulings are extremelly inconsistent. Several subs submit obvious copyright material and they are accepted, some subs sent far less obvious material and it gets rejected. It all seems to depend on who analyzes it and how much they like the streamer. It has been a point of discussion for a very long time. Twith really needs to get their shit straight about it. You either ban copyrighted material for everyone, or you don't unless the company asks you to remove it. Then focus on that issue. It certainly makes sense to demand consistent rules being applied, though if twitch is going to do that, they're most likely going to delete a whole lot more icons in the process, leading to more protests of the mob. | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
Shit has yet to hit the fan until werster wakes up. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On November 21 2013 04:40 Sn0_Man wrote: You know, horror breaking up with his boyfriend should really not be relevant. Well, it was (supposedly) a direct result from all this drama? And considering some of the retweets he's posted.. yeah, pretty much what I expect from an angry mob. | ||
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
I really hope Werster gets unbanned, I loved watching his stream. Oh well, I guess time will tell! | ||
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Leyra
United States1222 Posts
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On November 21 2013 05:15 Raelcun wrote: Duke's ban was apparently changed to a 7 day ban, he got a response and posted on irc. It seems odd that they would ip ban him from both home and work if it was initially a temporary ban. Twitch admins overreacted and are now in damage control - or - Twitch's lack of transparency, clarity and consistency made a mess of things again Either way they are having a bad day at the office. | ||
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