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On May 21 2012 01:20 kemoryan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 23:40 Xorphene wrote:On May 20 2012 23:25 GhostOwl wrote:On May 20 2012 22:26 Ciryandor wrote:On May 20 2012 22:21 GhostOwl wrote:On May 20 2012 22:05 Stimp wrote:On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote:
Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....
I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament
Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses? No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day. Really? Venues can't be booked on short notice, and what if they tie the game again? Do it for a third time? I understand its troublesome but it's the champions league finals. Not the 3rd time, you can have the penalty shootout after 2nd tie. It makes it so that if you are able to tie a team twice, your skill level is around the same so penalty shootout is more fair. Garbage, if you are able to defend as Chelsea did last night for 120 minutes then you can argue they are the same ability as Bayern in a different way. One corner from Chelsea to twenty from Bayern. And they scored that once. Bayern also missed a penalty during the match. You can't really argue they have the "same ability in a different way", unless you count relying on sheer luck an ability... Some of you don't seem to understand, it has nothing to do with an ugly style vs a beautiful style, at least in my opinion. Defensive style can be quite nice when done right. The problem is about a style that relies on being extremely lucky to win, which is typical of teams which are heavily the underdog.
Heh? Sheer luck that bayern failed to do anything with not one, but TWENTY attempts? At what stage is it not lucky and just good defending? Lucky that drogba had a perfect header from a corner?
Maybe luck if robben hit the bar like messi, but cech saved that pen. He also saved 2 in the shootout. How do you know when its luck or not? You are just chalking off EVERYTHING to luck.
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Happy Bday Stimp!
Chelsea made the best possible present for you it seems ^_^
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On May 21 2012 02:00 Stimp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 01:20 kemoryan wrote:On May 20 2012 23:40 Xorphene wrote:On May 20 2012 23:25 GhostOwl wrote:On May 20 2012 22:26 Ciryandor wrote:On May 20 2012 22:21 GhostOwl wrote:On May 20 2012 22:05 Stimp wrote:On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote:
Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....
I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament
Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses? No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day. Really? Venues can't be booked on short notice, and what if they tie the game again? Do it for a third time? I understand its troublesome but it's the champions league finals. Not the 3rd time, you can have the penalty shootout after 2nd tie. It makes it so that if you are able to tie a team twice, your skill level is around the same so penalty shootout is more fair. Garbage, if you are able to defend as Chelsea did last night for 120 minutes then you can argue they are the same ability as Bayern in a different way. One corner from Chelsea to twenty from Bayern. And they scored that once. Bayern also missed a penalty during the match. You can't really argue they have the "same ability in a different way", unless you count relying on sheer luck an ability... Some of you don't seem to understand, it has nothing to do with an ugly style vs a beautiful style, at least in my opinion. Defensive style can be quite nice when done right. The problem is about a style that relies on being extremely lucky to win, which is typical of teams which are heavily the underdog. Heh? Sheer luck that bayern failed to do anything with not one, but TWENTY attempts? At what stage is it not lucky and just good defending? Lucky that drogba had a perfect header from a corner? Maybe luck if robben hit the bar like messi, but cech saved that pen. He also saved 2 in the shootout. How do you know when its luck or not? You are just chalking off EVERYTHING to luck.
Luck is the term I'm using instead of the more serious concept of probability. So let's see it from this perspective: If we estimated Chelsea's ratio of "corner goals in a match/ nº of total corners in a match", I'm quite sure it'd be below 0.1 (that is, they "usually" convert one or less out of ten corners). That's just a rough estimation as I don't have the numbers but you get the idea. Now if we only considered Chelea's winning corner as the match deciding factor, we can say they won thanks to getting that 1 out of 10 lucky corner. However, the same applies to other factors. What's the ratio of stopped penalties by Cech and the ratio of scored penalties by Robben? Again I don't have the numbers but it's fair to say that Robben would probably score 6-8 out of 10 penalties. So again, Chelsea was on the "lucky" side.
If we add all the different factors such as these up, we can say from intuition that Chelsea was really lucky in the finals. And not only that, if we also stretch the sample by taking into account Chelsea-Barça semis (with all those missed shots, missed penalty, etc.), then it is fair to say Chelsea has been very very lucky, and such an event can only happen very rarely.
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On May 21 2012 00:21 BillClinton wrote:
You cant win the ch league by luck. It wasnt nice to watch Chelsea play but you have to admit they played efficiently.
Also, don't you find there to be some excitement in a team desperately trying to turtle against amazing attacking players? One slip up and they lose...so there is so much tension. Actually very little time spent in midfield which is of course the most boring area for a game to take place. Back and forth meaningless passes are much less exciting than constant attacks in the final third. Anyway, it was a DIFFERENT experience to what I'm sure many people are used to...so why not just roll with it and say well, we got to see an unusual playstyle that actually worked...part luck part grit/determination and part quality in finishing.
You just can't fault Chelsea's finishing in this cup run, even Branislav Ivanovic's improbable winner against Napoli at Stamford Bridge!
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On May 21 2012 02:04 BeaTeR wrote:
Happy Bday Stimp!
Chelsea made the best possible present for you it seems ^_^
Thanks  Considering moscow was ON my 18th birthday this one was quite nice.
On May 21 2012 02:24 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 00:21 BillClinton wrote:
You cant win the ch league by luck. It wasnt nice to watch Chelsea play but you have to admit they played efficiently. Also, don't you find there to be some excitement in a team desperately trying to turtle against amazing attacking players? One slip up and they lose...so there is so much tension. Actually very little time spent in midfield which is of course the most boring area for a game to take place. Back and forth meaningless passes are much less exciting than constant attacks in the final third. Anyway, it was a DIFFERENT experience to what I'm sure many people are used to...so why not just roll with it and say well, we got to see an unusual playstyle that actually worked...part luck part grit/determination and part quality in finishing. You just can't fault Chelsea's finishing in this cup run, even Branislav Ivanovic's improbable winner against Napoli at Stamford Bridge!
Haha, exciting for you to watch maybe. But for me (and probably most chelsea fans) its only exciting once the final whistle goes 
On the pen shootout: The thing I hate about pen shootouts, whilst being a lottery, is it makes it seem like 1 or 2 player lost it for their team.
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Haha well yeah I am a Chelsea fan I just went to Stamford Bridge to cheer the parade!!! It was horrible to watch every one of those games but when you look back at them...pure magic!!!!
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nice pic from Camp David, Barack invited the lads across to watch the game. Cameron looks a tosser as always.
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Why are people complaining about the random factor? It's on no ones political agenda to counter it. Why? Because the mob wants it.
You want religion, gambling and hysterical sport tournaments.
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So just to keep this thread alive longer than it has to be ...
Just realized what John Terry did after the win. What a wanker. All about you JT, well done. Kids being told of the legendary Chelsea win in 100 years time will be under the impression that captain lionheart the brave lead the mighty Chels against the Bavarian giants to victory.
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On May 22 2012 07:18 Surrealistic wrote:
So just to keep this thread alive longer than it has to be ...
Just realized what John Terry did after the win. What a wanker. All about you JT, well done. Kids being told of the legendary Chelsea win in 100 years time will be under the impression that captain lionheart the brave lead the mighty Chels against the Bavarian giants to victory.
He lifted the trophy with lampard as captains of the club. People making an issue just like making an issue out of everything. The champions league isn't ONE game, and he was part of 3 the biggest games. He and lampard ALWAYS lift the trophies.
Just more moaning about non issues
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Yeah, someone show me a cup where JT hasn't lifted it with Lamps lol. I think the only one was carling cup final vs Arse when JT got knocked out and had to go to hospital.
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On May 22 2012 07:18 Surrealistic wrote:
So just to keep this thread alive longer than it has to be ...
Just realized what John Terry did after the win. What a wanker. All about you JT, well done. Kids being told of the legendary Chelsea win in 100 years time will be under the impression that captain lionheart the brave lead the mighty Chels against the Bavarian giants to victory.
Psh he's not a wanker he's been the team's leader and rock for countless years. He didn't deserve to be on the sidelines for the trophy presentation just because of a technicality.
By the way I've been rewatching the game countless times and it still amazes me how great didier's goal was. Top corner, from the first header he got. How many players could have pulled that off? The difficult thing about coping in Chelsea against top teams is that we don't get lots and lots of chances like most teams, we get only one or two and you have to be on the next level in terms of scoring in order to be able to make an impact.
Also you can't say enough good things about Cahill and Luiz. Cahill was holding his strained muscle in pain after about 20 minutes into the game. Can't believe he made 120 mins of the whole game.
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wanker is too light a term for Terry but I don't think he did much wrong in lifting the cup...
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