On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote: Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....
I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament
Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?
No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote: Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....
I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament
Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?
No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.
Really? Venues can't be booked on short notice, and what if they tie the game again? Do it for a third time?
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote: Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....
I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament
You didn't watch a single match from the Netherlands apart from the final, did you? We beat every nation playing superior and lost the match that we didn't.
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote: Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....
I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament
Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?
No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.
On May 20 2012 07:11 DeadBull wrote: I will not watch football for the next 2 weeks and I will not watch any chelsea game until they stop playing so fucking unenterntaining.
You don't have to watch Chelsea's games. You aren't a believer and a lover of the game clearly saying bs like that. They played a defensive style, but it worked.
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote: Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....
I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament
Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?
No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.
Nah they should have a penalty shoot-out at the start of EVERY knockout game. If they game is tied after normal + injury time then the team that won the shoot-out wins. That way you have awesome penalty shoot-outs at the start of every game and one team is forced to attack during injury time. More excitement all round.
Lol what??? So lets say chelsea won the P-shootout at the start of the CL final instead, so Bayern attacks for 90 min, its even, oh look same result and exact same game, chelsea will still just park the bus lol :O:O:O:O:O
I don't mind Chelsea winning, but on the whole, Bayern were the better team. They created way more opportunities and should have sealed the game long before extra time. Congratz to Chelsea though, for beating the Germans on penalites. I don't think anybody expected that.
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote: Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....
I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament
Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?
No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.
That would be lovely, but it's practically impossible and will never happen. The current format is pretty good imo; 120mins is about the limit for a lot of players, and certainly making them play longer or on the next day would be ridiculous.
And while penalties are fucking terrifying, they get the job done.
On May 20 2012 22:59 Xorphene wrote: Yum so many tears in this thread.
As a Stoke fan I applaud Chelsea and find all the "beautiful football should win!!" posts absolutely hilarious.
Hehe, yeah. People seem to think it's a travesty when the underdog wins... like how it was a travesty when 10 man chelsea defended against the best attacking side in the world for about an hour with a relatively untested interim manager and their usual captain/leader sent off.
It's like SC2 and people whining about MVP cheesing. People only appreciate certain things, for some reason.
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote: Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....
I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament
Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?
No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.
Really? Venues can't be booked on short notice, and what if they tie the game again? Do it for a third time?
I understand its troublesome but it's the champions league finals. Not the 3rd time, you can have the penalty shootout after 2nd tie. It makes it so that if you are able to tie a team twice, your skill level is around the same so penalty shootout is more fair.
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote: Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....
I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament
Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?
No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.
Nah they should have a penalty shoot-out at the start of EVERY knockout game. If they game is tied after normal + injury time then the team that won the shoot-out wins. That way you have awesome penalty shoot-outs at the start of every game and one team is forced to attack during injury time. More excitement all round.
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote: Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....
I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament
Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?
No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.
Really? Venues can't be booked on short notice, and what if they tie the game again? Do it for a third time?
I understand its troublesome but it's the champions league finals. Not the 3rd time, you can have the penalty shootout after 2nd tie. It makes it so that if you are able to tie a team twice, your skill level is around the same so penalty shootout is more fair.
The regame was in place in the 60s and 70s, and it wasn't great. Think of all the fans needing to suddenly book accomodation for the next few days (because playing matches on consecutive days is retarded, by the way). The regame is in place in the FA cup, and hardly anyone watches the second game, simply because the excitement has peaked and gone.
Penalties is fair. It tests the mettle of players, if anything.
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote: Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....
I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament
Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?
No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.
Really? Venues can't be booked on short notice, and what if they tie the game again? Do it for a third time?
I understand its troublesome but it's the champions league finals. Not the 3rd time, you can have the penalty shootout after 2nd tie. It makes it so that if you are able to tie a team twice, your skill level is around the same so penalty shootout is more fair.
Garbage, if you are able to defend as Chelsea did last night for 120 minutes then you can argue they are the same ability as Bayern in a different way.
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote: Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....
I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament
Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?
No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.
Nah they should have a penalty shoot-out at the start of EVERY knockout game. If they game is tied after normal + injury time then the team that won the shoot-out wins. That way you have awesome penalty shoot-outs at the start of every game and one team is forced to attack during injury time. More excitement all round.
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote: Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....
I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament
Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?
No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.
Nah they should have a penalty shoot-out at the start of EVERY knockout game. If they game is tied after normal + injury time then the team that won the shoot-out wins. That way you have awesome penalty shoot-outs at the start of every game and one team is forced to attack during injury time. More excitement all round.
I actually really like this.
Quite hard to attack during injury time, especially if you used your subs before it (not a question of motivation).
Clearly Chelsea weren't even close to being the best European team this season (much like Bayern) but if you look at how close they have been over the last 7 years, then yes they should have won ONE cup. Barca/Real will have next year but Chelsea's sqaud's time is ending.
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote: Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....
I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament
Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?
No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.
Nah they should have a penalty shoot-out at the start of EVERY knockout game. If they game is tied after normal + injury time then the team that won the shoot-out wins. That way you have awesome penalty shoot-outs at the start of every game and one team is forced to attack during injury time. More excitement all round.
I actually really like this.
Quite hard to attack during injury time, especially if you used your subs before it (not a question of motivation).
Clearly Chelsea weren't even close to being the best European team this season (much like Bayern) but if you look at how close they have been over the last 7 years, then yes they should have won ONE cup. Barca/Real will have next year but Chelsea's sqaud's time is ending.
Defending takes energy too. The problem is both teams often "give up" in injury time and just sit back and wait for penalties. If one team was on the brink of losing they would find a way to attack.
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote: Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....
I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament
Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?
No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.
Really? Venues can't be booked on short notice, and what if they tie the game again? Do it for a third time?
I understand its troublesome but it's the champions league finals. Not the 3rd time, you can have the penalty shootout after 2nd tie. It makes it so that if you are able to tie a team twice, your skill level is around the same so penalty shootout is more fair.
Garbage, if you are able to defend as Chelsea did last night for 120 minutes then you can argue they are the same ability as Bayern in a different way.
One corner from Chelsea to twenty from Bayern. And they scored that once. Bayern also missed a penalty during the match. You can't really argue they have the "same ability in a different way", unless you count relying on sheer luck an ability...
Some of you don't seem to understand, it has nothing to do with an ugly style vs a beautiful style, at least in my opinion. Defensive style can be quite nice when done right. The problem is about a style that relies on being extremely lucky to win, which is typical of teams which are heavily the underdog.
On May 21 2012 00:21 BillClinton wrote: You cant win the ch league by luck. It wasnt nice to watch Chelsea play but you have to admit they played efficiently.
And why not? statistically-wise, it's perfectly possible to win a CL being lucky. However the same can't be said if you want to win 2, 3 or more CLs in a row. This championship is the best example you can get.