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GhostOwl
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
766 Posts
May 20 2012 13:21 GMT
#761
On May 20 2012 22:05 Stimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote:
Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....

I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament



Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?


No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
May 20 2012 13:26 GMT
#762
On May 20 2012 22:21 GhostOwl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 22:05 Stimp wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote:
Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....

I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament



Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?


No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.


Really? Venues can't be booked on short notice, and what if they tie the game again? Do it for a third time?
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Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 13:46:54
May 20 2012 13:37 GMT
#763
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote:
Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals
, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....

I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament



You didn't watch a single match from the Netherlands apart from the final, did you? We beat every nation playing superior and lost the match that we didn't.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
May 20 2012 13:43 GMT
#764
On May 20 2012 22:21 GhostOwl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 22:05 Stimp wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote:
Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....

I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament



Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?


No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.


Thank god you don't work for Fifa eh?
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Xorphene
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom492 Posts
May 20 2012 13:59 GMT
#765
Yum so many tears in this thread.

As a Stoke fan I applaud Chelsea and find all the "beautiful football should win!!" posts absolutely hilarious.
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analyze
Profile Joined April 2011
United States155 Posts
May 20 2012 14:06 GMT
#766
On May 20 2012 07:11 DeadBull wrote:
I will not watch football for the next 2 weeks
and I will not watch any chelsea game until they stop playing so fucking unenterntaining.


You don't have to watch Chelsea's games. You aren't a believer and a lover of the game clearly saying bs like that. They played a defensive style, but it worked.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
May 20 2012 14:06 GMT
#767
On May 20 2012 22:21 GhostOwl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 22:05 Stimp wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote:
Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....

I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament



Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?

No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.

Nah they should have a penalty shoot-out at the start of EVERY knockout game.
If they game is tied after normal + injury time then the team that won the shoot-out wins.
That way you have awesome penalty shoot-outs at the start of every game and one team is forced to attack during injury time.
More excitement all round.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 14:09:00
May 20 2012 14:08 GMT
#768
Lol what??? So lets say chelsea won the P-shootout at the start of the CL final instead, so Bayern attacks for 90 min, its even, oh look same result and exact same game, chelsea will still just park the bus lol :O:O:O:O:O
Hamp
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway100 Posts
May 20 2012 14:09 GMT
#769
I don't mind Chelsea winning, but on the whole, Bayern were the better team. They created way more opportunities and should have sealed the game long before extra time. Congratz to Chelsea though, for beating the Germans on penalites. I don't think anybody expected that.
SgtCoDFish
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1520 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 14:12:43
May 20 2012 14:10 GMT
#770
On May 20 2012 22:21 GhostOwl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 22:05 Stimp wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote:
Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....

I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament



Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?


No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.


That would be lovely, but it's practically impossible and will never happen. The current format is pretty good imo; 120mins is about the limit for a lot of players, and certainly making them play longer or on the next day would be ridiculous.

And while penalties are fucking terrifying, they get the job done.


On May 20 2012 22:59 Xorphene wrote:
Yum so many tears in this thread.

As a Stoke fan I applaud Chelsea and find all the "beautiful football should win!!" posts absolutely hilarious.


Hehe, yeah. People seem to think it's a travesty when the underdog wins... like how it was a travesty when 10 man chelsea defended against the best attacking side in the world for about an hour with a relatively untested interim manager and their usual captain/leader sent off.

It's like SC2 and people whining about MVP cheesing. People only appreciate certain things, for some reason.
GhostOwl
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
766 Posts
May 20 2012 14:25 GMT
#771
On May 20 2012 22:26 Ciryandor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 22:21 GhostOwl wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:05 Stimp wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote:
Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....

I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament



Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?


No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.


Really? Venues can't be booked on short notice, and what if they tie the game again? Do it for a third time?


I understand its troublesome but it's the champions league finals. Not the 3rd time, you can have the penalty shootout after 2nd tie. It makes it so that if you are able to tie a team twice, your skill level is around the same so penalty shootout is more fair.
ChaosArcher
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany956 Posts
May 20 2012 14:33 GMT
#772
On May 20 2012 23:06 Klive5ive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 22:21 GhostOwl wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:05 Stimp wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote:
Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....

I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament



Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?

No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.

Nah they should have a penalty shoot-out at the start of EVERY knockout game.
If they game is tied after normal + injury time then the team that won the shoot-out wins.
That way you have awesome penalty shoot-outs at the start of every game and one team is forced to attack during injury time.
More excitement all round.


good idea TBH, would be pretty cool :D
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
May 20 2012 14:40 GMT
#773
On May 20 2012 23:25 GhostOwl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 22:26 Ciryandor wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:21 GhostOwl wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:05 Stimp wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote:
Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....

I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament



Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?


No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.


Really? Venues can't be booked on short notice, and what if they tie the game again? Do it for a third time?


I understand its troublesome but it's the champions league finals. Not the 3rd time, you can have the penalty shootout after 2nd tie. It makes it so that if you are able to tie a team twice, your skill level is around the same so penalty shootout is more fair.


The regame was in place in the 60s and 70s, and it wasn't great. Think of all the fans needing to suddenly book accomodation for the next few days (because playing matches on consecutive days is retarded, by the way). The regame is in place in the FA cup, and hardly anyone watches the second game, simply because the excitement has peaked and gone.

Penalties is fair. It tests the mettle of players, if anything.
Xorphene
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom492 Posts
May 20 2012 14:40 GMT
#774
On May 20 2012 23:25 GhostOwl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 22:26 Ciryandor wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:21 GhostOwl wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:05 Stimp wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote:
Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....

I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament



Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?


No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.


Really? Venues can't be booked on short notice, and what if they tie the game again? Do it for a third time?


I understand its troublesome but it's the champions league finals. Not the 3rd time, you can have the penalty shootout after 2nd tie. It makes it so that if you are able to tie a team twice, your skill level is around the same so penalty shootout is more fair.


Garbage, if you are able to defend as Chelsea did last night for 120 minutes then you can argue they are the same ability as Bayern in a different way.
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 20 2012 14:56 GMT
#775
On May 20 2012 23:06 Klive5ive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 22:21 GhostOwl wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:05 Stimp wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote:
Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....

I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament



Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?

No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.

Nah they should have a penalty shoot-out at the start of EVERY knockout game.
If they game is tied after normal + injury time then the team that won the shoot-out wins.
That way you have awesome penalty shoot-outs at the start of every game and one team is forced to attack during injury time.
More excitement all round.


I actually really like this.
fortheGG
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1002 Posts
May 20 2012 15:03 GMT
#776
On May 20 2012 23:56 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 23:06 Klive5ive wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:21 GhostOwl wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:05 Stimp wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote:
Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....

I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament



Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?

No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.

Nah they should have a penalty shoot-out at the start of EVERY knockout game.
If they game is tied after normal + injury time then the team that won the shoot-out wins.
That way you have awesome penalty shoot-outs at the start of every game and one team is forced to attack during injury time.
More excitement all round.


I actually really like this.


Quite hard to attack during injury time, especially if you used your subs before it (not a question of motivation).

Clearly Chelsea weren't even close to being the best European team this season (much like Bayern) but if you look at how close they have been over the last 7 years, then yes they should have won ONE cup. Barca/Real will have next year but Chelsea's sqaud's time is ending.
BillClinton
Profile Joined November 2009
232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-20 15:22:09
May 20 2012 15:21 GMT
#777
You cant win the ch league by luck. It wasnt nice to watch Chelsea play but you have to admit they played efficiently.
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
May 20 2012 16:07 GMT
#778
On May 21 2012 00:03 fortheGG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 23:56 Talin wrote:
On May 20 2012 23:06 Klive5ive wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:21 GhostOwl wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:05 Stimp wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote:
Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....

I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament



Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?

No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.

Nah they should have a penalty shoot-out at the start of EVERY knockout game.
If they game is tied after normal + injury time then the team that won the shoot-out wins.
That way you have awesome penalty shoot-outs at the start of every game and one team is forced to attack during injury time.
More excitement all round.


I actually really like this.


Quite hard to attack during injury time, especially if you used your subs before it (not a question of motivation).

Clearly Chelsea weren't even close to being the best European team this season (much like Bayern) but if you look at how close they have been over the last 7 years, then yes they should have won ONE cup. Barca/Real will have next year but Chelsea's sqaud's time is ending.

Defending takes energy too. The problem is both teams often "give up" in injury time and just sit back and wait for penalties. If one team was on the brink of losing they would find a way to attack.
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kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
May 20 2012 16:20 GMT
#779
On May 20 2012 23:40 Xorphene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 23:25 GhostOwl wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:26 Ciryandor wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:21 GhostOwl wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:05 Stimp wrote:
On May 20 2012 22:02 GhostOwl wrote:
Chelsea going to Finals is like Netherland going to World Cup finals, not because of skill, but more because of luck/good fortune. Netherlands rightfully lost as the lesser team while in this case, Chelsea managed to survive to make it a tie, and then take the game through penalty kicks.....

I really think they should stop deciding the fate of matches on Penalty Kicks for semi-final or final of any tournament



Problem is do what then? Golden goal for 3 hours? First team to have a player die of exhaustion loses?


No, tie the game. Have the teams play a rematch the next day.


Really? Venues can't be booked on short notice, and what if they tie the game again? Do it for a third time?


I understand its troublesome but it's the champions league finals. Not the 3rd time, you can have the penalty shootout after 2nd tie. It makes it so that if you are able to tie a team twice, your skill level is around the same so penalty shootout is more fair.


Garbage, if you are able to defend as Chelsea did last night for 120 minutes then you can argue they are the same ability as Bayern in a different way.


One corner from Chelsea to twenty from Bayern. And they scored that once. Bayern also missed a penalty during the match. You can't really argue they have the "same ability in a different way", unless you count relying on sheer luck an ability...

Some of you don't seem to understand, it has nothing to do with an ugly style vs a beautiful style, at least in my opinion. Defensive style can be quite nice when done right. The problem is about a style that relies on being extremely lucky to win, which is typical of teams which are heavily the underdog.
Freedom is a stranger
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
May 20 2012 16:23 GMT
#780
On May 21 2012 00:21 BillClinton wrote:
You cant win the ch league by luck. It wasnt nice to watch Chelsea play but you have to admit they played efficiently.


And why not? statistically-wise, it's perfectly possible to win a CL being lucky. However the same can't be said if you want to win 2, 3 or more CLs in a row. This championship is the best example you can get.
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