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Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
April 05 2012 14:29 GMT
#21
Shamrock was recently on Ariel Helwani's mma hour and he pretty much said every1 is on something.
And every1 seems to know this and then when 1 guy gets ''caught'' every1 is surprised and a witch hunt starts for that 1 guy.

Guess that's what we are seeing now again.
Rather unfortunate tho, really wanted to see Overeem with the ufc belt.
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Sphen5117
Profile Joined September 2011
United States413 Posts
April 05 2012 14:29 GMT
#22
I even remember a pre-fight clip YEARS ago between him and Remy Bonjasky where Remy alludes to him taking performance enhancing drugs.


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Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
April 05 2012 17:26 GMT
#23
On April 05 2012 23:29 Technique wrote:
Shamrock was recently on Ariel Helwani's mma hour and he pretty much said every1 is on something.
And every1 seems to know this and then when 1 guy gets ''caught'' every1 is surprised and a witch hunt starts for that 1 guy.

Guess that's what we are seeing now again.
Rather unfortunate tho, really wanted to see Overeem with the ufc belt.

Yeah this is true in pretty much every sport. Bigger, Stronger, Faster is a great documentary about steroids-use and all the misconceptions around it.
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
April 05 2012 18:09 GMT
#24
Of course he is on something, he is freakishly huge. Thats also the reason you dont see any ripped guys in the heavyweight division. It's pretty much impossible to carry that much mass and remain that cut year round unless you have performance enhancing drugs. A person can be that big and cut naturally, but only for a show where they have carried around a much bigger percentage of body fat before hand. You cant stay like that all the time unless you use drugs, its just not natural. In his mind, its only a shame that he got caught, but in the world of MMA (and most pro sports) its just how they make their living. Many guys are breathing a sigh of relief now that someone else is taking the fall for something that they all do.

Steroids have been rampant in many sports for a while now. The public outcry over baseball is pretty silly IMO because it happens in hocky, and football you see doping and endurance boosters in other sports.
Trizz
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1323 Posts
April 05 2012 18:27 GMT
#25
I secretly hope dana/lorenzo pay the price and let the b sample come back clean.
But when has that ever happened?
nope
KaiserReinhard
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States554 Posts
April 05 2012 19:06 GMT
#26
On April 06 2012 03:27 Trizz wrote:
I secretly hope dana/lorenzo pay the price and let the b sample come back clean.
But when has that ever happened?


Yeah, that would be good for MMA...

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Terminal
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom2109 Posts
April 05 2012 20:46 GMT
#27
Not really a big surprise and seems so obvious now.

He always seemed so genuine and in practically every interview he managed to convince people he was just genetically different and worked harder than everybody else. Also got to feel bad for legit Lesnar who came off his illness and retired after the Overeem fight.
iAmiAnC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom317 Posts
April 05 2012 22:28 GMT
#28
Horse meat sales are sure to plummet after this news...
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ColdLava
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Canada1673 Posts
April 05 2012 22:56 GMT
#29
On April 05 2012 23:13 floor exercise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 12:10 SoMuchBetter wrote:
Him testing positive doesn't make sense. He passed the last random drug test (both blood and urine) and it was part of the conditions of the fiasco it caused (since he submitted a blood test instead of a urine test at first) that he submit himself to random drug tests throughout 2012.

He knew he was going to be tested at random so why wouldnt he stay off whatever he was taking for a year?

JSD vs Mir would be a pointless 2 minute KO victory for JDS. I hope his B samples test clean so we can see an actual competitive fight

I think it's kind of clear his plan was to delay. He only passed the first one because he ran to Holland for over a week. I imagine he thought this random test was NSAC giving him a call to go somewhere and piss and he could delay somehow for a few days before doing it. I wouldn't be surprised if a 10:1 T/E is Overeem only doing half what he normally does so he could lower his levels to 6:1 quicker. Maybe he even took epitestosterone before this presser but not enough.

He's spent the vast majority of his HW career in places that do not drug test and he recently split with GG, who if anyone knows a thing or two about PEDs. After the circus that was his last random test I am just gonna assume he's just a bad cheater, but he'll learn soon enough


It was reported today that the levels were actually 14:1.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
April 05 2012 23:02 GMT
#30
I'm not upset that he's using because I'm honest with myself and 90%+ fighters use. I just wish he didn't get caught so it doesn't jeopardize the fight.

Actually I wish it was just accepted and we moved forward safely without fighters using PEDs dangerously trying to have wacky cycles and hide it.
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nexitustl1
Profile Joined December 2010
156 Posts
April 06 2012 03:42 GMT
#31
im rather disappointed in this happening, as well as the idea some people have that they don't care others abuse drugs. I am glad they test athletes and will always hope one day someone will be a top contender who will fight with morals and honor. Iv never been a fan of fador for example but more and more i see fighters i look up to fall to the side. i'm starting to respect the russian even more for what he has done.
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-06 06:46:06
April 06 2012 06:45 GMT
#32
On April 06 2012 12:42 nexitustl1 wrote:
im rather disappointed in this happening, as well as the idea some people have that they don't care others abuse drugs. I am glad they test athletes and will always hope one day someone will be a top contender who will fight with morals and honor. Iv never been a fan of fador for example but more and more i see fighters i look up to fall to the side. i'm starting to respect the russian even more for what he has done.


It sucks tho that when an athlethe needs to go into surgery or has injuries that he could power thro with banned substances to make his living they forbid him because its a PED.

There should be a better line of whats banned and whats not, they are suspending people for weed ffs
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Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-06 06:57:40
April 06 2012 06:57 GMT
#33
On April 06 2012 15:45 D10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 12:42 nexitustl1 wrote:
im rather disappointed in this happening, as well as the idea some people have that they don't care others abuse drugs. I am glad they test athletes and will always hope one day someone will be a top contender who will fight with morals and honor. Iv never been a fan of fador for example but more and more i see fighters i look up to fall to the side. i'm starting to respect the russian even more for what he has done.


It sucks tho that when an athlethe needs to go into surgery or has injuries that he could power thro with banned substances to make his living they forbid him because its a PED.

There should be a better line of whats banned and whats not, they are suspending people for weed ffs

Weed is an ILLEGAL drug. Your suppose to go to jail for having it(lets not debate weed here though please). Obviously its not gonna be allowed in a sport. Im sure if its ever legalized they ill stop caring if you use it.

Dana Whites press conference about the UFC card coming up was held hours after he found out about the failed test and in typical Dana White fashion, he did not censor himself. Its why hes the best boss in the USA
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tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
April 06 2012 07:00 GMT
#34
Such a shame, him vs JDS would have been one of the biggest clash ever.
DDie
Profile Joined April 2010
Brazil2369 Posts
April 06 2012 07:07 GMT
#35
It's obvious he uses steroids(who doesn't?) But i always lol when i see those pictures, he gained muscle over 5 years, with a good diet and training even a regular nerd can build that mass.
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Archontas
Profile Joined September 2010
United States319 Posts
April 06 2012 07:27 GMT
#36
On April 06 2012 07:56 ColdLava wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 23:13 floor exercise wrote:
On April 05 2012 12:10 SoMuchBetter wrote:
Him testing positive doesn't make sense. He passed the last random drug test (both blood and urine) and it was part of the conditions of the fiasco it caused (since he submitted a blood test instead of a urine test at first) that he submit himself to random drug tests throughout 2012.

He knew he was going to be tested at random so why wouldnt he stay off whatever he was taking for a year?

JSD vs Mir would be a pointless 2 minute KO victory for JDS. I hope his B samples test clean so we can see an actual competitive fight

I think it's kind of clear his plan was to delay. He only passed the first one because he ran to Holland for over a week. I imagine he thought this random test was NSAC giving him a call to go somewhere and piss and he could delay somehow for a few days before doing it. I wouldn't be surprised if a 10:1 T/E is Overeem only doing half what he normally does so he could lower his levels to 6:1 quicker. Maybe he even took epitestosterone before this presser but not enough.

He's spent the vast majority of his HW career in places that do not drug test and he recently split with GG, who if anyone knows a thing or two about PEDs. After the circus that was his last random test I am just gonna assume he's just a bad cheater, but he'll learn soon enough


It was reported today that the levels were actually 14:1.


Yeah, the first statement didn't say exactly what the ratio was, only that it EXCEEDED 10:1.

And from what I understand, even if his B-sample came up with normal ratios, he would still have to explain away the first test to the commission to get licensed for the UFC 146 fight. And I can't imagine how he is possibly going to manage that.
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Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-06 08:27:38
April 06 2012 08:21 GMT
#37
all the top fighters use performance enhancing drugs. in any sport really lol.

On April 05 2012 07:31 Shinobi1982 wrote:
Ahh man I was looking forward to see Overeem destroy the heavyweight division in UFC. This just SUX.

Is there really no way he could get to the testosterone levels with his physique, clean bodybuilding diet and hard training the natural way? I mean the guy trains twice a day (and I bet he squats/deadlifts like a mofo) for crying out loud and with above mentioned things I can imagine he would have a MUCH higher testosterone level then an average guy?

overtraining leads to LESS testosterone. eating a clean bodybuilding diet doesn't increase testosterone levels.

what were his actual levels? average is 250-900ng/dL in 18-30yr old men.

taking 250mg of testosterone enanthate (no fighter would use this close to a fight, propionate has a much lower half-life, but mg/mg levels are somewhat close) gives someone ~1k+ng/dL levels. 500mg/wk would result in upwards of 2kng/dL.

let's just say i'm "in the know" when it comes to steroids.

what fighters would generally use would be a combination of (not all of these are steroids):
clenbuterol (weight loss)
t3/t4 (thyroid drug - weight loss)
test propionate (short ester testosterone)
anavar (pill)
turinabol (pill)
and MAYBE trenbolone acetate.

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YoucriedWolf
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
April 06 2012 08:36 GMT
#38
... It's about time

Sad no Overeem vs JDS would have been legendary
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
April 06 2012 09:37 GMT
#39
On April 06 2012 17:21 Silidons wrote:
all the top fighters use performance enhancing drugs. in any sport really lol.


Not really. At lot sure but far from everyone.
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enigamI
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada385 Posts
April 06 2012 09:49 GMT
#40
I'm surprised with myself. I thought I was strongly against illegal PEDs in sports. But I'm finding I want to see the fight more than I care about the cheating

I know it's a terrible attitude, but why couldn't they find him guilty after the fight ><
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