Seems like pretty big news. I think most MMA fans knew this day would come sometime, and here it appears to be.
Alistair Overeem (36-11 MMA, 1-0 UFC) is unlikely to fight champion Junior Dos Santos (14-1 MMA, 8-0 UFC) for the UFC heavyweight title this summer at UFC 146.
Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) the No. 1 heavyweight contender failed a pre-fight drug test conducted this past Tuesday following a press conference for UFC 146.
Overeem's "A" sample was flagged for an elevated T/E ratio that exeeded 10-to-1, well over the 6-to-1 limit. Kizer said the heavyweight has the right to request the test's "B" sample, which, if negative, would make him eligible to receive a fight license.
What does everyone think? Personally as much as I knew this day would likely come with Overeem, it's a shame it had to be before the JDS fight, which should have been a spectacular striking war.
Edit: Reading more and appears he failed the surprise test they gave a bunch of fighters at the 146 presser, seems like maybe they need to do more of these random tests?
I knew it would happen one day... I always hoped it wouldn't be true, since I am a big fan of him. He lived in the same village as me... Hopefully he can get trough the "B" test, but I can't see that happen.
I only hope we don't get another Dos Santos vs Velasquez. But on the other hand, I also don't want to see Mir yet, I don't think he is ready yet, he needs 1 or 2 more fights before a title shot...
im not surprise bahaha everyone always said he was on steroids. liek seriously he gain so much muscle when he was in pride til when he was in strikeforce/japan
On April 05 2012 06:18 Diizzy wrote: im not surprise bahaha everyone always said he was on steroids. liek seriously he gain so much muscle when he was in pride til when he was in strikeforce/japan
Everyone knew you were on steroids- you hid it fucking well. And you get caught with an elevated testosterone level? No offence but at the top level you should be cycling your roids better than that ffs.
So I guess course of action for him is to submit sample B. Hope it comes back negative and let his decent PR squad handle the rest. If sample B comes back positive... claim you have no idea why... standard transparent practice. Was really looking forward to his fight against JDS.
So who gets bumped up now? Mir as he's on a 3 fight winstreak? HW division suddenly seems to have a serious lack of legit contenders. I really hope JDS gets an opponent as it's so unfair for a guy at his level to go through a serious training camp and have his fight pulled out. Waste of time and not paid a cent for it.
However I think it's now 100% safe to say, yes Overeem had achieved his transformation with the help of banned competitive supplements.
Btw to anyone interested T/E Ratio =
testosterone/epitestosterone ratio
Epitestosterone is very similar to testosterone, but its levels are not normally elevated by any type of juicing. In an average adult male, the levels are close to 1:1, but because athletics can increase testosterone the WADA allows for a 4:1 ratio. Some professional sports even allow for a 6:1 ratio. A 10:1 ratio is a CLEAR indicator that his testosterone levels are way higher than they should be!
My respect for him just seriously fucking dropped. FUCK ALL YOU STEROID ABUSING PUSSIES THAN CAN'T FIGHT WITHOUT IT. Honestly FUCK ALL OF YOU. K-1, SF, Dream all had non-existent/stupid testing policies, and his wins and titles are now tainted for good.
I was always a HUGE fan. He was born near me in the UK, loved his style in pride. Humble down to earth, honest. I can look past any imperfections we are all human. But steroids is cheating. It's just fucking flat out cheating, and I see it every day. It runs right the way down to amateur levels and it fucking puts a black mark next to the sport of MMA. Testing is a fucking joke in this sport. Pft.. if anyone is interested I seriously recommend reading the articles by Derek (forget his second name) on why MMA steroid testing under the unified bodies is an incredibly transparent process which caters more to the media and recognition of testing rather than deliberate random methods which will catch a far higher percentage of cheaters. I demand a ban of his license for at least a year to be honest. Fucking cheaters.
On April 05 2012 06:18 Diizzy wrote: im not surprise bahaha everyone always said he was on steroids. liek seriously he gain so much muscle when he was in pride til when he was in strikeforce/japan
such a difference.... o.o
To be fair, the first 2 pictures are right before/after a weight cut. The last 2 pictures are during/after a fight and his muscles are all swollen.
He is still got really big in a few years, but those pictures don't really give the right perspective.
On April 05 2012 06:31 Dr.Lettuce wrote: God damnit Overeem.
Everyone knew you were on steroids- you hid it fucking well. And you get caught with an elevated testosterone level? No offence but at the top level you should be cycling your roids better than that ffs.
So I guess course of action for him is to submit sample B. Hope it comes back negative and let his decent PR squad handle the rest. If sample B comes back positive... claim you have no idea why... standard transparent practice. Was really looking forward to his fight against JDS.
So who gets bumped up now? Mir as he's on a 3 fight winstreak? HW division suddenly seems to have a serious lack of legit contenders.
However I think it's now 100% safe to say, yes Overeem had achieved his transformation with the help of banned competitive supplements.
Btw to anyone interested T/E Ratio =
testosterone/epitestosterone ratio
Epitestosterone is very similar to testosterone, but its levels are not normally elevated by any type of juicing. In an average adult male, the levels are close to 1:1, but because athletics can increase testosterone the WADA allows for a 4:1 ratio. Some professional sports even allow for a 6:1 ratio. A 10:1 ratio is a CLEAR indicator that his testosterone levels are way higher than they should be!
I'd like to see Mir vs Dos Santos, Velasquez vs Werdum for the No.1 contender and Russow vs Carwin or something. Carwin is expected to come back Mid 2012. If Carwin wins Russow is a nice stepping stone for him and otherwise it will give Russow a big boost.
I don't think Carwin should get a huge opponent yet, he lost his last 2 fights (Brock and Dos Santos) and comes of an injury...
Ahh man I was looking forward to see Overeem destroy the heavyweight division in UFC. This just SUX.
Is there really no way he could get to the testosterone levels with his physique, clean bodybuilding diet and hard training the natural way? I mean the guy trains twice a day (and I bet he squats/deadlifts like a mofo) for crying out loud and with above mentioned things I can imagine he would have a MUCH higher testosterone level then an average guy?
Him testing positive doesn't make sense. He passed the last random drug test (both blood and urine) and it was part of the conditions of the fiasco it caused (since he submitted a blood test instead of a urine test at first) that he submit himself to random drug tests throughout 2012.
He knew he was going to be tested at random so why wouldnt he stay off whatever he was taking for a year?
JSD vs Mir would be a pointless 2 minute KO victory for JDS. I hope his B samples test clean so we can see an actual competitive fight
Ya, I had seen a few journalists write about how testing in the UFC was a joke more and more. I wonder if this will be a first step by the UFC in making it more legit or if it will just be a blow to Overeem's image and nothing past that ^^.
Indeed it is disappointing, for me it's because I'm probably not gonna see my favorite - Junior Dos Santos - for some time. Maybe they change the contender if B is positive, too, but still it would postpone the fight.
On April 05 2012 07:31 Shinobi1982 wrote: Ahh man I was looking forward to see Overeem destroy the heavyweight division in UFC. This just SUX.
Is there really no way he could get to the testosterone levels with his physique, clean bodybuilding diet and hard training the natural way? I mean the guy trains twice a day (and I bet he squats/deadlifts like a mofo) for crying out loud and with above mentioned things I can imagine he would have a MUCH higher testosterone level then an average guy?
On April 05 2012 12:10 SoMuchBetter wrote: Him testing positive doesn't make sense. He passed the last random drug test (both blood and urine) and it was part of the conditions of the fiasco it caused (since he submitted a blood test instead of a urine test at first) that he submit himself to random drug tests throughout 2012.
He knew he was going to be tested at random so why wouldnt he stay off whatever he was taking for a year?
JSD vs Mir would be a pointless 2 minute KO victory for JDS. I hope his B samples test clean so we can see an actual competitive fight
I think it's kind of clear his plan was to delay. He only passed the first one because he ran to Holland for over a week. I imagine he thought this random test was NSAC giving him a call to go somewhere and piss and he could delay somehow for a few days before doing it. I wouldn't be surprised if a 10:1 T/E is Overeem only doing half what he normally does so he could lower his levels to 6:1 quicker. Maybe he even took epitestosterone before this presser but not enough.
He's spent the vast majority of his HW career in places that do not drug test and he recently split with GG, who if anyone knows a thing or two about PEDs. After the circus that was his last random test I am just gonna assume he's just a bad cheater, but he'll learn soon enough
Obviously this aint suprising, its a shame because he was set up for superstardom after he beat Lesnar, him winning the title would have really made him one of the biggest draws in UFC.
I bet that is why Dana is annoyed, he is losing money, rather than him drugging it up, so many fighters have been busted for it, its no longer shocking, just another "oh him too? okay then.."
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