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http://www.clanbase.com/ec11.php?nid=188346&mid=0&lid=0
After reading this interview, i noticed Tod's anger at allots of people in the wc3 scene. It seems a significant potion of gamers think he is bmed.
This might be fine on its own but remember what happened in WEG1 ? where Moon humiliate him in front all the TV audiences? Coincidence? nono...
In replay.net's star forums, susiria posted this in reply to some fan's bashing of moon for being bm to Tod:
"If you don't know anything then you shouldn't be talking, have you ever seen moon done this to anyone else? do you know what tod said before the match? then i will tell you, tod said to moon's trainer before the match: **** tower rushed moon in 8 mins, but i towered rushed **** in 6 mins!. He said this while in the same room as moon! now what would you do in face of such blatent provocation? now do you understand why Moon wasted time not killing him? he is using his skill to show to the world how weak tod's words are.
by the way, let me tell you, Tod's manner is really bad, when he is in korea, he always ask people to help him prepare for match by simulating other gamer's styles but when some one ask the same of him, he always refuse and he was never polite while refusing. do not feel bad for him and don't talk when you don't know the true story. tod is not a popular guy in the scene and out of all the 4k guys, he is the least welcomed in korea. "
now i translated this from a chinese fan who translated it from the korean so i can't garrantee the consistency of the writing. But nonetheless this is very interesting, it just seems that koreans don't like Tod. Rumor or drama? discuss!
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United Kingdom10597 Posts
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Uh, he hasn't been in Korea for a while, I don't see why it matters what Koreans thing (as opposed to anyone else). IMO the real ToD drama right now is his mass towering and claims that its the only/best way for him to win important games. Check out any ToD game on WCReplays and read the comments.
Pretty much anything ToD does seems to be bad with the community unless he wins something big, so I'm not surprised he doesn't think too highly of the War3 player base.
I personally don't care much about his manner, or that of any gamer really. He's a top level player and the best human right now and is pretty original in his play, so he's fine with me.
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apparently hes not on the best terms with the fanboys out there :o
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Yeah, he's awesome player but can be really shitty as a person...
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so what is his ID named for?
and is it pronounced as one syllable or spelled out by the letters, because i always thought of it as "tee oh dee" but i just realized maybe people say "tod" heh
just wondering
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United States37500 Posts
Posted here and SK-gaming.com...
Why do you even care about ToD's manner? Are you ever going to talk to him? Let him play his game and leave it at that. With that said, he is still a top Hu player and obviously not the 80-60 win/loss rate of a player you claimed. If you don't like his style, don't watch his replays.
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United States37500 Posts
On September 13 2005 18:37 Locked wrote:
so what is his ID named for?
and is it pronounced as one syllable or spelled out by the letters, because i always thought of it as "tee oh dee" but i just realized maybe people say "tod" heh
just wondering
ToD = short for Todonte
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And, of course, Manuel "Grubby" Schenkhuizen, the world's best player and ToD's partner in 4Kings.
have things changed so much since i left war3? wtf happened to moon?
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United States37500 Posts
On September 13 2005 18:43 Kobayashi wrote:Show nested quote +And, of course, Manuel "Grubby" Schenkhuizen, the world's best player and ToD's partner in 4Kings. have things changed so much since i left war3? wtf happened to moon?
That title is still between Grubby and Moon. Both sides have certain claims to being called the best. Hopefully we'll see something resolved at WCG if Moon makes it.
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i just thought this might be interesting to share, and i do care for a gamer's manner, bad manner make great headlines ^^, over there in RN, they have ten pages long threads discussing tod from everything such as moon incident to T.MH]mouzplaypb and now his latest interview where he let his mouth run.
You can say i'm rubbing salt on his old wounds but i just thought i might share some stuff from asian wc3 players which you wont get on wcreplays.
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I used to play/obs a lot of games that ToD was involved in (mostly on hamachi) and for the record no one in those games liked him (most hated him). He has always been very BM, and always will be.
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On September 13 2005 18:09 Chibi[OWNS] wrote:
**** tower rushed moon in 8 mins, but i towered rushed **** in 6 mins!
god what fucking nerds
omg rofl that is just so incredibly nerdy
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On September 13 2005 18:46 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2005 18:43 Kobayashi wrote:And, of course, Manuel "Grubby" Schenkhuizen, the world's best player and ToD's partner in 4Kings. have things changed so much since i left war3? wtf happened to moon? That title is still between Grubby and Moon. Both sides have certain claims to being called the best. Hopefully we'll see something resolved at WCG if Moon makes it.
Won't have to wait that long. They'll both be at BlizzCon =]
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United States37500 Posts
You have a list of who's going to BlizzCon? For SC and WC.
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How did moon humiliate him?:O
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When ToD was in Korea he played a game vs Moon in which Moon let the game go one way too long, playing/toying with ToD rather than finishing it when he was dominating the game. At least, that's what I've gathered without having seen the VOD.
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'Yeah, you play 24/7. That's the only reason you won.' What? The guy is fucking semi-pro, plays nearly as much as I do, and says that?!"
well at least he admits he plays 24/7~~
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United States37500 Posts
On Turtle Rock, Dark Ranger first hero, got to level six then charmed a peasant. Then managed to build a Human Alter and got an Archmage and Blood Mage. Doing all of this with about five expansion across the map.
This was a TV game as well, mind you.
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United States37500 Posts
On September 13 2005 20:50 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +
'Yeah, you play 24/7. That's the only reason you won.' What? The guy is fucking semi-pro, plays nearly as much as I do, and says that?!"
well at least he admits he plays 24/7~~
That wasn't said by ToD about himself. ToD is saying that other high ranking ladder players say that about him when they lose.
Reread the comment or the interview.
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well i love watching 4k.tod's play despite him having a rep of being bm, most of the time that stuffs bullshit anyways. hmm, i have just been recently watching war3 reps, and i want to see the vod where moon "humuliate's" tod, sounds unlike him. oh and btw, i dont think grubby has a chance in hell vs. moon. Moon is probably going to break the cap on how much any korean gamer has earned in prizes for a year. I think he has won every single major tournament this year. thats freaking amazing.
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On September 13 2005 20:52 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2005 20:50 Sfydjklm wrote:
'Yeah, you play 24/7. That's the only reason you won.' What? The guy is fucking semi-pro, plays nearly as much as I do, and says that?!"
well at least he admits he plays 24/7~~ That wasn't said by ToD about himself. ToD is saying that other high ranking ladder players say that about him when they lose. Reread the comment or the interview.
I think Sfydjklm's point is that ToD didn't refute the opponent's comment
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On September 13 2005 20:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
You have a list of who's going to BlizzCon? For SC and WC.
No but at WCG USA most of the WarCraft players went out to eat, and Brett D. was with us and after we bombarded him with questions and threatened to teabag him in his sleep if he didn't tell us, we finally got some answers.
I can't remember everything but I do know Moon and Grubby WILL be there. I think ToD will be too, but I could be wrong. I know Shortround won't be and I think he said no Americans will be.
We asked about the patch/reset, and he refused to answer, but it seems like it'll still be at least a couple weeks.
We didn't really ask about StarCraft, but I think he said something like all Koreans except for Testie/Mondragon, but don't hold me to that.
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ToD is certainly good, for sure.
He is still popular in france cause of his achievements. I don't know if he is bad manner. On some forums, he talks quite well and i never saw him being arrogant, he is just a competitor, as anyone who reach top level.
Currently, he is the last french top level player and i thank him for that.
He is skilled, he won many tournaments, as i never play with him, i state he is ok.
In the interview, the thing i dislike the most was when a french guy comments that "france is the best country, france is the best etc..." and tod says "I would prefer to be anything else than French, I think". Two very suspicious reactions i think. High level Gaming is not a country thing, it is a skilled thing, that's, all whatever the nationality you have.
If you take starcraft, remember what has been said about mondragon, it is quite the same (BM ans so on). The important is that they are playing and representing their fans.
I just realize that i write that to finally say, i don't really care about mannerism of a player i don't play with or against.
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I can't see Moon ever losing to grubby. Grubby has lost in the recent past, while moon hasn't really at all 
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"After reading this interview, i noticed Tod's anger at allots of people in the wc3 scene. It seems a significant potion of gamers think he is bmed. "
Yep im angry at alot of people, these people are haters and retards.
The only reason why im considered this bm is because i express my opinions all the time on forums/ community website and ofcourse all the people who disagree with me won't like me after that. I'm like one of the rare players who still dare give his opinion on websites the others are too afraid to be criticized.
However i have alot of friends in korea i still talk to them and practice with them sometimes, and i have solved the trouble i had with Susiria long time ago in case none knew about that.
That story with Susiria is false, the truth is , my last groupstage game during WEG1 was against Jang Jae ho aka Spirit_Moon and i knew my chance to win was 1%. I was geting makeup before the game and the Ongamenet caster came and asked me " so are you gona beat moon?"
I found his question pretty funny , i laughed ofcourse and answered "Yes i'm gona rape him"
obviously none of them got the joke ( who said culture difference )
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That's good that you aren't afraid to express your opinion. There ARE a lot of idiots in the gaming community, that's pretty obvious from these forums alone. So it would be silly to let what they say stop you from being yourself.
Anyway, interesting to hear your side of things. You should stick around these forums (or post more, as I'm sure you've been here before), you might find something interesting.
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United States37500 Posts
Heh, we have occasional WC3 pros that post here from time to time. HeMaN, Aether, Shortround, now ToD too. ;o
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you know in this world of games.. i think attitude and all this crap that we see is part of it
its rare to see one player who truly truly does not have some type of bm in him.. i think its part of being competitive.. now before anybody says trash to me be careful of the way i use the word BM.. .. i mean a lot of people are always nice and friendly but think in a bm way.. and thinking in a negative way is enough to be classified as bm lol
and TOd.. this idea of "oh people think im bm because i express my opinions" is really not true.. its not the fact that you express them.. its your opinion that make you bm.. meaning the way you think is what makes it be "bm"
anyways highly doubtful thats the true tod lol
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It's the real ToD... He's been here before.
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lol this just shows the power of tl.net over the rest of community.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
no, it shows the power of internet queer bags who think they actually know about people
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51449 Posts
is ToD the french dude aka merlo yuan or am i thinking of someone else?
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
yohan? yoan? yohhan? merlo yeah thats him
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so ToD, isnt short for Tower Defense?
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I bet he came here just because he typed "ToD" in google and this thread popped up somewhere ^_^
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Nice, perhaps we could also get moon and susiria here to show their point of view on this matter ^_^
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
i met tod in korea a few times
he has a personality similar to mine, except perhaps his bad manner isn't as eloquent and hilarious
he's a nice guy though
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
i'm sure moon does not give a fuck either way, lol
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i remember calling him a stupid french fuck 1 night when we were drunk and dan was rofl
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only on teamliquid... I love it!
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IMO
Moon > Grubby
Since the whole blatant Orc imba/map scandal, and he still won.
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On September 15 2005 21:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
IMO
Moon > Grubby
Since the whole blatant Orc imba/map scandal, and he still won.
that wasn't against grubby, that was romeo
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Im not talking about Grubby; just moon's his matches against Orc as a whole.
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btw. has anyone seen the game between terror and lucifer during incup? Most of the polish wc3 scene started to hate terror after this game:
replay
Watch for yourself. In my opinion terror is a maphacker but who knows... (7 creepjacks during the game are a bit too much imo)
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Canada482 Posts
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did anyone see moon vs lucifer on TM ?
damn that made me wet -_-;
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ya i saw that one i think. has anyone seen moon vs. some human (i think storm), where moon gets dropships (i mean zeplins) and does bear and wisp drops, freaking insane.
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hey guys, someone could linked me the best WC3 vod you ever saw?
one is enough :p
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Hmm, hard for vods in wc3 scene... I'll check what I got and see what's available.
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Ok, I got:
4k^FoV vs YolinY.Suho
4k^Grubby vs Moon5Bone5D (moon)
4k^ToD vs MagicYang
YolinY.Anas vs ??? FPVOD
You want anything of this? If not you can always try one of these but the dl didn't work for me well :/
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i've seen no good vods... best i saw was probably madfrog raping spirit_moon though (from a while back)
the game was very similar to their game at WEG1 too, except madfrogs strategy worked a lot better
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On September 16 2005 05:39 Manit0u wrote:Ok, I got: 4k^FoV vs YolinY.Suho 4k^Grubby vs Moon5Bone5D (moon) 4k^ToD vs MagicYang YolinY.Anas vs ??? FPVOD You want anything of this? If not you can always try one of these but the dl didn't work for me well :/
I was thinking if i should buy WC:FT. Thats why i want a good vod ( I start playing bw after I saw boxer owning yellow :p )
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WarCraft 3 VODs are really boring in comparison to StarCraft VODs... just to warn you.
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On September 16 2005 21:42 Orlandu wrote:
WarCraft 3 VODs are really boring in comparison to StarCraft VODs... just to warn you.
agreed... war3 DOES look really slow while watching it... it doesn't feel slow playing it though
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Tod is a queer. He hates his country because they wont give him attention? Ass-hole.
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If I was French I'd hate my country too
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HoT won... beat tod in 2 bo3's (came from losers bracket)
amazing O_o
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Canada482 Posts
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Pretty impressive by HoT.
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EPT
