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baldgye
United Kingdom1092 Posts
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On November 27 2012 03:29 greggy wrote: Do you really think Hamilton would be able to realistically challenge for the title given a red bull? rofl, it would be like scumacher circa 00-05 only more dominate, Hamilton has the most raw talent on the grid | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51479 Posts
A HUGE Thank You, to Mr Zere for this awesome thread this season   Having done a thread for the Football this season, i know it's a big task (and mine isn't half as good!) so again, thank you for all the updates, pictures, reaction and more! | ||
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popzags
Poland604 Posts
But to me Alonso accomplished more. He had virtually no support from Massa for the most of the season, got knocked out by Grosjean from perhaps the critical race on Spa, had vastly inferior car on almost all Saturdays and yet he nearly won the title. Gosh, sometimes I feel that each team should only have one driver, so we could avoid those goddamn team orders and make the rivalry clean and simple. It was sad to watch Webber and Massa, repeatedly sacrificing their good positions by letting their team leaders go as if they were pawns on the chessboard - even though The Pawns had sparks of good form from time to time. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1092 Posts
On November 27 2012 22:00 popzags wrote: Uh, oh... at least Vettel had to sweat himself to the very last GP to get the title, just like on his first try. But to me Alonso accomplished more. He had virtually no support from Massa for the most of the season, got knocked out by Grosjean from perhaps the critical race on Spa, had vastly inferior car on almost all Saturdays and yet he nearly won the title. Gosh, sometimes I feel that each team should only have one driver, so we could avoid those goddamn team orders and make the rivalry clean and simple. It was sad to watch Webber and Massa, repeatedly sacrificing their good positions by letting their team leaders go as if they were pawns on the chessboard - even though The Pawns had sparks of good form from time to time. why was it sad to watch Massa, this season has been amazing for him the deeper into the season it got the better he became, next season we might see the return of the Massa of old, the guy who almost won the title in 2008 | ||
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popzags
Poland604 Posts
On November 27 2012 22:22 baldgye wrote: why was it sad to watch Massa, this season has been amazing for him the deeper into the season it got the better he became, next season we might see the return of the Massa of old, the guy who almost won the title in 2008 Well, he was good at late-year races, no question, but his start of the season was very poor. Well, hopefully he'll recover, some people believe the next season might be his last in Ferrari if he does signifacantly worse that Alonso for second time in a row. | ||
zere
Germany1287 Posts
Shiro said she was already on the graphics for it, let's see when the first presentations of 2013 cars happen in February On November 27 2012 22:22 baldgye wrote: why was it sad to watch Massa, this season has been amazing for him the deeper into the season it got the better he became, next season we might see the return of the Massa of old, the guy who almost won the title in 2008 I think Massa can be a true title contender in 2013. Even in the early season, when he was lacking, there were rather good things from him that went unnoticed. E.g. in Barcelona, Monte Carlo and Canada he had atrocious results, but if you looked closely, he was really quick. In these races he was the fastest car in the early stages (and in traffic, on the other hand because of poor quali performances), especially in Monaco he pumped in one fastest lap after another. He ended up crashing then, which is another thing a driver has to avoid to be taken as a serious contender. Then, of course, there were times when his performance was just unbelievably bad, of course, no one can argue against that, as well. Overall his first 3 quarters of the season were really bad, and I don't think most of it was not his fault. The last stages of the season, however, we saw the "old" Massa again. I don't know what happened, wether there was some sort of mental phase, or some confidence-switch he had to turn on, but I'd like to see this exact Massa again in 2013. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
hamilton is fast for sure, he is also aggressive and cocky in a way that gets himself in trouble. mclaren car also has been dominant in stretches. | ||
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Aristodemus
England1989 Posts
I think it is cute that people with little to no interest in motorsport show up in forums just to give Hamilton shit. Maybe that is why he is the most marketable driver in F1. Edit: A video was released on youtube which has been picked up on by Alonso. The incident happens around 10min+ A BBC article about Ferrari's possible response. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20531638 I will say I saw this before but apparently a steward is waving a green flag (I cant tell) in the marshal post at the pit exit. Flags > Lights in F1 rules btw. I hope, even if he overtook under yellow, the F1 title is not decided by lawyers. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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shiroiusagi
SoCal, USA3955 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51479 Posts
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Juissi
Finland209 Posts
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On the 27th it was £500k, so he's managed another £300k in 2 days or so. | ||
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Perscienter
957 Posts
On November 29 2012 22:49 Pandemona wrote: Sky just said that the FIA are "convinced" he has done nothing wrong. They say "out of shot" in the pit lane there is a steward waving a green flag, and the stewards waving the flags are more accurate then the lights around the side. Yes, but why is everything solved by hearsay? Where is the proof? Why does it take so long? The FIA is so unorganized. | ||
ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On November 29 2012 22:55 Juissi wrote: Can't believe Alonso fucked up 44 points lead in few races, rofl. Vettel so much better and well deserved championship. Alonso was rammed by krash kid Grosjean in Spa, and screwed up for himself in Suzuka. | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On November 30 2012 01:55 Lonyo wrote: Kamui Kobayashi has been linked to the second Lotus seat for 2013, and he's managed to raise £800k ($1.25m) since he started. On the 27th it was £500k, so he's managed another £300k in 2 days or so. Who's going out? Can't believe they would lose a french driver whom probably comes with some Renault backing, and they have to be stone stupid if they let Kimi go.. | ||
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Juissi
Finland209 Posts
On November 30 2012 02:15 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: Who's going out? Can't believe they would lose a french driver whom probably comes with some Renault backing, and they have to be stone stupid if they let Kimi go.. Kimi has already signed for the next season. Now they need to know what happens with Lotus before they can confirm the second driver. If the ownership changes the new owners might want someone else to the second seat. | ||
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
1) Congrats to Vettel - He was very strong this year. It really blows my mind that he's a 3 time champ and still only 24-25. Can you imagine how many more strong years he has in him? Could he be the new Schumacher? He's making a strong case for it. 2) Hamilton and McLaren - I'm sad to see him leave, but it is totally understandable. This should have been Hamilton's year. So many poles thrown due to pit errors. Not even counting the bad luck in crashes, there are at least 3-4 races that should have W's for Hamilton if it were not for pit errors. At the tier in F1 racing that McLaren races at today, this simply can not happen. 3) CotA Austin - This track did not disappoint for all the hype it received. I was amazed the whole weekend from practice to qualifying to the actual race itself. The track looks beautiful. The track let's the drivers and pit crews do their jobs. There is a way for any type of driver to win at this course. It seems very balanced to me. The track also looks busy when people race on it, There's no sense of "autopilot" to it. I simply love it. I am so happy it brought back F1 to America. I hope the future NJ track can bring the some of the same stuff CotA brought to us. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1092 Posts
On November 30 2012 02:15 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: Who's going out? Can't believe they would lose a french driver whom probably comes with some Renault backing, and they have to be stone stupid if they let Kimi go.. I guess the problem with Roman was all the bad press he brought with him that has to hurt the team... It's a shame Kamui is in the position he's in but... he just hasn't bee fast enough... Like who else thought that Paul would be out-performed by Nico this season? I sure didn't and was almost positive he was gona get Lewis's seat when that was all in the air... On November 29 2012 22:49 Pandemona wrote: Sky just said that the FIA are "convinced" he has done nothing wrong. They say "out of shot" in the pit lane there is a steward waving a green flag, and the stewards waving the flags are more accurate then the lights around the side. Yeah, Kevin @ F1 Fanatic pointed out, rightly that it just seemed like Ferrari marketing trying to spread bad-press about Vettel winning over Alonso and moving the talk away from the fact Ferrari have just been slow... Was amazing how much press it gained when you think about how nothing an event it was, and how far more questionable things happened though out the season | ||
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