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On August 15 2014 21:30 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 21:23 Miragee wrote:On August 15 2014 20:58 Grettin wrote:On August 15 2014 20:52 Nagisama wrote:
They knife in pistols because both sides run out of ammo shooting each other and missing, and in that sense, it's quicker to knife than to reload if you're close up.
Definitely, but then there is situations when its x vs 1, guy is cornered. Risking for a knife and that extra money, while securing the kill with a pistol if things go wrong. I'm sure we've seen that before. Why wouldn't pro teams do that if it can pay off? Because its disrespectful? Anyways, is there a bracket for ESL One? Couldn't find one on HLTV.. e. nvm, http://www.esl-one.com/csgo/ Jeez, there are definitly situations where it's good to knife and not disrespectful. In this situation however, it was. He stood behind them and could have just got them all with the famas. Losing Kevlar+Famas is not worth an 1500$ kill, that's simple math. He even pulled that that smiley in the end, showing that it really wasn't for the tactically play but for mocking the oponent. We clearly have different opinions. Play itself wasn't disrespectful (the smiley part sure - if true. I missed that), it was RISKY and It paid off. You can 4 or 6 pool in Starcraft, it's still a play. Risky one, but still. If someone sees it disrespectful, then go ahead.
The smiley is in the video posted, check it out. 
And your comparison is off because there is a difference between a risky move with a huge pay out (4pool can win you the game instantly) and a risky move with no pay out even with a "good outcome" as it was here. He had to kill all three which was nearly impossible when he knived the first one. It's more comparable with an worker rush in the beginning of the game in starcraft.
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So it's more like dancing your zealots, or a manner nexus. A bit disrespectful but not a big deal.
It's the kind of move that can tilt your opponent without being straight up insulting.
I see where you are coming from but I really don't think it's as big a deal as people are making it out to be
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On August 15 2014 21:47 OceanLab wrote:
So it's more like dancing your zealots, or a manner nexus. A bit disrespectful but not a big deal.
It's the kind of move that can tilt your opponent without being straight up insulting.
I see where you are coming from but I really don't think it's as big a deal as people are making it out to be
It's not that big of a deal, I agree. Although I agree with shox's statement.
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To me being disrespectful is doing things like fnatic after the esportm finals at dreamhack, that were calling NiP names AFTER winning and mocking them on asking for a regame of the overtime when the wrong maxround was used and therefore led to them using their money incorrectly (which is game breaking). A knife kill is always amazing in a high level game, and in this case it was 100% worth it.
Shox actually seems mad about it and I don't really know why, maybe cause fxy0 said things at the moment that were aggressively disrespectful ("hey watch I'm gonna knife this guy omg he's so dumb"), or maybe just because it's better on the PR side? I doubt he would think about the latter though.
But yeah I guess it's no use to argue about it, if you find it offensive and disrespectful it's your opinion. As Grettin said, to me it's just a legitimate risky play considering his other options, and it paid off. Pros are usually amused by knife kills too, so I doubt it was worth that much turmoil. I wonder how much of that comes from Anders saying "it's more than a knife kill; it is humiliation".
and a risky move with no pay out even with a "good outcome" as it was here. He had to kill all three which was nearly impossible when he knived the first one
??? He gets more money with the knife that witht he potential 3 famas kills that probably wouldn't have happened anyway (the recoil and the noise of a famas kill would probably have made the 2 follow up kills actually as likely or even less likely). It doesn't win the round, but it nets him a huge money advantage, on top of the psychological advantage. How is it no pay out?
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damn being a navi fan in cs can be heartattack-inducing :S
That last match was way too close for comfort
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If doing risky plays is disrespectful, then Boxer is the biggest asshole ever.
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A lot of people didn't like Boxer for that very reason.
Same with why people didn't like Flash. lol
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I understand the criticism of the teammates because it IS unnecessary and can really backfire (the third kill he probably could've gotten as well if he didn't knife for example) but 'disrespectful' and 'rude'? Come on. We've got a guy that goes by the name of "Pimp", I've seen players use terms like 'rape' and 'gay' as a synonym for shit in public chat... Talk about that if you want to talk about disrespect in the CS community, not a freaking knife kill.
It wasn't smart from the perspective of his own team but that's about it in my opinion. And it made a fun moment which is positive for the tournament.
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I dont think he would have gotten the 3rd kill. Im more then positive there was a moments hesitation from the players when that knife kill happened, its so completely unheard of they were probably not ready for the sound effect, a gunshot would have had them spinning immediately, if anything he would have only gotten the first kill.
Either way there was nothing wrong with the knife kill and saying he would have gotten a better result just shooting them is sketchy at best.
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Reading shox's interview, he was saying it was disrespectful to his team, to his teammates. Your teammates are trying their best to win the round, and you take the opportunity to go and do something risky for no gain for what is +1500 compared to simply winning the round? Yeah sure, you have a bit of fun, bragging rights, and ype a cute little smilie, but keep that stuff to your casual games not in the middle of a big tournament. Play for the team, not for yourself.
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OH MAN
COUNTERSTRIKE PLAYER CALLED PIMP
STOP PRESSES.
Come on. We're seriously expected to sit through another serious conversation about how terrible it is that people say things other people don't like? It's the worst kind of hashtag activism, and it's half the reason the Starcraft community is no fucking fun.
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On August 15 2014 22:45 Capped wrote:
I dont think he would have gotten the 3rd kill. Im more then positive there was a moments hesitation from the players when that knife kill happened, its so completely unheard of they were probably not ready for the sound effect, a gunshot would have had them spinning immediately, if anything he would have only gotten the first kill.
Either way there was nothing wrong with the knife kill and saying he would have gotten a better result just shooting them is sketchy at best.
I'd really agree with you, pretty sure a famas shot would have resulted in a 180 headshot from the other nip guys during the recoil recovery.
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On August 15 2014 22:47 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
OH MAN
COUNTERSTRIKE PLAYER CALLED PIMP
STOP PRESSES.
Come on. We're seriously expected to sit through another serious conversation about how terrible it is that people say things other people don't like? It's the worst kind of hashtag activism, and it's half the reason the Starcraft community is no fucking fun. Starcraft community is no fucking fun?
On August 15 2014 22:49 Nimix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 22:45 Capped wrote:
I dont think he would have gotten the 3rd kill. Im more then positive there was a moments hesitation from the players when that knife kill happened, its so completely unheard of they were probably not ready for the sound effect, a gunshot would have had them spinning immediately, if anything he would have only gotten the first kill.
Either way there was nothing wrong with the knife kill and saying he would have gotten a better result just shooting them is sketchy at best. I'd really agree with you, pretty sure a famas shot would have resulted in a 180 headshot from the other nip guys during the recoil recovery.
Look at the video. If he had used the famas he would had killed for no risk and gotten away safely, setting up a flank. The other nip guys were only able to shoot at him because he decided to walk up to knife him.
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On August 15 2014 22:45 Capped wrote:
I dont think he would have gotten the 3rd kill. Im more then positive there was a moments hesitation from the players when that knife kill happened, its so completely unheard of they were probably not ready for the sound effect, a gunshot would have had them spinning immediately, if anything he would have only gotten the first kill.
Either way there was nothing wrong with the knife kill and saying he would have gotten a better result just shooting them is sketchy at best.
Yeah maybe you're right on that third kill but who knows. In the end it worked out alright!
On August 15 2014 22:45 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Reading shox's interview, he was saying it was disrespectful to his team, to his teammates. Your teammates are trying their best to win the round, and you take the opportunity to go and do something risky for no gain for what is +1500 compared to simply winning the round? Yeah sure, you have a bit of fun, bragging rights, and ype a cute little smilie, but keep that stuff to your casual games not in the middle of a big tournament. Play for the team, not for yourself.
I think that's what it comes down to and we all agree with that. It does/can hurt your team so going for it is selfish. Then again, I do think it's kinda cool for exciting things like that to happen in tournaments so I'm not complaining as a viewer.
On August 15 2014 22:47 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
OH MAN
COUNTERSTRIKE PLAYER CALLED PIMP
STOP PRESSES.
Come on. We're seriously expected to sit through another serious conversation about how terrible it is that people say things other people don't like? It's the worst kind of hashtag activism, and it's half the reason the Starcraft community is no fucking fun.
Calm your jets. I never said that I have a problem with any of that, I just pointed out how it's ironic that people are calling a knife kill disrespectful when there is definitely a lot of disrespect going on in the community with that kinda stuff. That doesn't mean I want "Pimp" to change his name or anything.
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The tripple barbecue haha
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The biggest problem with my enjoyment of CS is the number of children who play. I get that you're trying to make your voice sound deeper so people think you're an adult. I work with kids for a living, and you're clearly twelve.
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That triple kill with the flames hahaha.
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On August 15 2014 22:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 22:47 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
OH MAN
COUNTERSTRIKE PLAYER CALLED PIMP
STOP PRESSES.
Come on. We're seriously expected to sit through another serious conversation about how terrible it is that people say things other people don't like? It's the worst kind of hashtag activism, and it's half the reason the Starcraft community is no fucking fun. Starcraft community is no fucking fun?
The other half is that starcraft 2 is a shit game, but that's not the point here.
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On August 15 2014 22:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 22:47 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
OH MAN
COUNTERSTRIKE PLAYER CALLED PIMP
STOP PRESSES.
Come on. We're seriously expected to sit through another serious conversation about how terrible it is that people say things other people don't like? It's the worst kind of hashtag activism, and it's half the reason the Starcraft community is no fucking fun. Starcraft community is no fucking fun? Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 22:49 Nimix wrote:On August 15 2014 22:45 Capped wrote:
I dont think he would have gotten the 3rd kill. Im more then positive there was a moments hesitation from the players when that knife kill happened, its so completely unheard of they were probably not ready for the sound effect, a gunshot would have had them spinning immediately, if anything he would have only gotten the first kill.
Either way there was nothing wrong with the knife kill and saying he would have gotten a better result just shooting them is sketchy at best. I'd really agree with you, pretty sure a famas shot would have resulted in a 180 headshot from the other nip guys during the recoil recovery. Look at the video. If he had used the famas he would had killed for no risk and gotten away safely, setting up a flank. The other nip guys were only able to shoot at him because he decided to walk up to knife him.
That wasn't the premise though, i spotted he could have killed and run off easily if he had shot him but then he wouldn't have even got the 2nd kill in the situation. The complaining / drama towards him wasn't about that either, it was point blank shooting all 3 of them, which i don't think was anywhere near guaranteed.
Thats the point tbh, people bitching about him knifing and then shooting one other guy for 2 kills. Where is the guarantee that he would have got 3 kills with just shooting alone, or 1 kill and a successful flank afterwards?
He did what he did and what happened happened, it even went in his favor, this happens in CS 20 times a round, what the hells different about this one.
Whole thing is just silly beyond recognition and blown way out of proportion.
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On August 15 2014 23:37 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2014 22:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On August 15 2014 22:47 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
OH MAN
COUNTERSTRIKE PLAYER CALLED PIMP
STOP PRESSES.
Come on. We're seriously expected to sit through another serious conversation about how terrible it is that people say things other people don't like? It's the worst kind of hashtag activism, and it's half the reason the Starcraft community is no fucking fun. Starcraft community is no fucking fun? The other half is that starcraft 2 is a shit game, but that's not the point here.
I'd say that's a quarter. The other quarter is the tribalism that makes any realistic discussion of issues impossible.
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