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Vernom
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Spain374 Posts
May 06 2012 09:08 GMT
#7921
German people is getting cocky with their league.

Bundesliga is getting better and better but is still below La Liga.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
May 06 2012 09:24 GMT
#7922
On May 06 2012 18:08 Vernom wrote:
German people is getting cocky with their league.

Bundesliga is getting better and better but is still below La Liga.
This.

EPL >> La Liga > Bundesliga > Seria A imo.

Really, getting far in Europa League isn't as huge of a deal as people make it out to be. If god damned Fulham can get to finals who cannot do it?
#freeshauni
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
May 06 2012 09:48 GMT
#7923
I couldn't put Bundesliga above Serie A.
graan
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany589 Posts
May 06 2012 09:51 GMT
#7924
If Barcelona would play in the Bundesliga they would destroy every single team just like they do in spain, only dortmund and bayern, and im not even sure about that, could stand a chance. just look at leverkusen, only 3 month ago.. 6 messi goals in two games against no.5 finisher at our bundesliga.. you guys realy have to acknowledge how good barcelona/real is.. sure there is a huge gap between them and the rest of the league, but that would be just the same in germany..

But, in my opinion, this gap hurt real so much in the semis.. they had like the easiest run to the semi, not one serious match ( bayerns was easy too i know, but not even close to reals way.. ) and played 3(4) 'hard' games vs barca hole season.. then they played one top team playing a different style and they shit their pants two games.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
May 06 2012 09:54 GMT
#7925
On May 06 2012 18:51 graan wrote:
If Barcelona would play in the Bundesliga they would destroy every single team just like they do in spain, only dortmund and bayern, and im not even sure about that, could stand a chance. just look at leverkusen, only 3 month ago.. 6 messi goals in two games against no.5 finisher at our bundesliga.. you guys realy have to acknowledge how good barcelona/real is.. sure there is a huge gap between them and the rest of the league, but that would be just the same in germany..

But, in my opinion, this gap hurt real so much in the semis.. they had like the easiest run to the semi, not one serious match ( bayerns was easy too i know, but not even close to reals way.. ) and played 3(4) 'hard' games vs barca hole season.. then they played one top team playing a different style and they shit their pants two games.


Having the El Clasico between the semis was the achiles heel for Barca and Real IMO.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3051 Posts
May 06 2012 09:58 GMT
#7926
Holy shit, never before have I supported a team like Man Shitty ( :p ) as I will today.
End my suffering
rapture
Profile Joined January 2003
Germany645 Posts
May 06 2012 09:59 GMT
#7927
On May 06 2012 18:51 graan wrote:
If Barcelona would play in the Bundesliga they would destroy every single team just like they do in spain, only dortmund and bayern, and im not even sure about that, could stand a chance. just look at leverkusen, only 3 month ago.. 6 messi goals in two games against no.5 finisher at our bundesliga.. you guys realy have to acknowledge how good barcelona/real is.. sure there is a huge gap between them and the rest of the league, but that would be just the same in germany..

But, in my opinion, this gap hurt real so much in the semis.. they had like the easiest run to the semi, not one serious match ( bayerns was easy too i know, but not even close to reals way.. ) and played 3(4) 'hard' games vs barca hole season.. then they played one top team playing a different style and they shit their pants two games.

we have discussed this thousands of times already. real/barca would do very good in any league they would play in epl/seria a/bundesliga. would they totally destroy every single team in it? No. Justifying their CL drop out because they only had to play easy opponents till then is just plain stupid, disrespecting and also of course not true. yes they declassed Leverkusen, but Lev was having a bad series while also loosing 4 times in Bundesliga during that time. Sometimes you have bad series/games - thats football.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
May 06 2012 10:03 GMT
#7928
On May 06 2012 18:24 Elem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 18:08 Vernom wrote:
German people is getting cocky with their league.

Bundesliga is getting better and better but is still below La Liga.
This.

EPL >> La Liga > Bundesliga > Seria A imo.

Really, getting far in Europa League isn't as huge of a deal as people make it out to be. If god damned Fulham can get to finals who cannot do it?

Rating EPL higher than La Liga after this season is absurd.
graan
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany589 Posts
May 06 2012 10:36 GMT
#7929
On May 06 2012 18:59 rapture wrote:
we have discussed this thousands of times already. real/barca would do very good in any league they would play in epl/seria a/bundesliga. would they totally destroy every single team in it? No. Justifying their CL drop out because they only had to play easy opponents till then is just plain stupid, disrespecting and also of course not true. yes they declassed Leverkusen, but Lev was having a bad series while also loosing 4 times in Bundesliga during that time. Sometimes you have bad series/games - thats football.


I want to say they wouldnt, but if u look at the facts its not the case.. #3,7 finisher in Bundesliga loosing to #5,9 in Spain in decisive fashion, and these teams do take euro league serious, sure manu/city dont but these clubs do.

Leverkusen won btw 4 days befor their 7:1 slaugther 2:0 against bayern. They even had almost even score against valencia in groups, take that as u want..

If u look at reals run, zagreb ajax lyon in groups, zska moskau in round of 16 and nikosia in quarters, i dont see how this is disrespecting to any of those clubs if the play against real madrid, huge favoritein every single match.
Sure thats only my opinion, playing classico between those games is another good reason and you can find many more.

Barca should never ever have lost against this chelsea, i think i realy dont have to go into this..
andis35
Profile Joined May 2011
Latvia346 Posts
May 06 2012 10:36 GMT
#7930
On May 06 2012 19:03 Maenander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 18:24 Elem wrote:
On May 06 2012 18:08 Vernom wrote:
German people is getting cocky with their league.

Bundesliga is getting better and better but is still below La Liga.
This.

EPL >> La Liga > Bundesliga > Seria A imo.

Really, getting far in Europa League isn't as huge of a deal as people make it out to be. If god damned Fulham can get to finals who cannot do it?

Rating EPL higher than La Liga after this season is absurd.


How many La Liga teams are in CL finals?
Retric
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany284 Posts
May 06 2012 10:46 GMT
#7931
On May 06 2012 18:51 graan wrote:
If Barcelona would play in the Bundesliga they would destroy every single team just like they do in spain, only dortmund and bayern, and im not even sure about that, could stand a chance. just look at leverkusen, only 3 month ago.. 6 messi goals in two games against no.5 finisher at our bundesliga.. you guys realy have to acknowledge how good barcelona/real is.. sure there is a huge gap between them and the rest of the league, but that would be just the same in germany..

But, in my opinion, this gap hurt real so much in the semis.. they had like the easiest run to the semi, not one serious match ( bayerns was easy too i know, but not even close to reals way.. ) and played 3(4) 'hard' games vs barca hole season.. then they played one top team playing a different style and they shit their pants two games.


Leverkusen 2 - 0 Bayern -> Barca 7 - 1 Leverkusen -> Barca 1 - 2 Real -> Bayern 2 - 1 Real
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
May 06 2012 10:47 GMT
#7932
On May 06 2012 18:48 sc4k wrote:
I couldn't put Bundesliga above Serie A.

But UEFA could

On May 06 2012 10:38 Kaesebrot wrote:
Show nested quote +
Can you idiots just shut up with your bullshit? I see two spanish teams in the Europa League


Europa League HAHAHAHA! No good team cares about that shit! Even if you win it you get only like 7 Mio. ...its better to get Top4 in Premier League/Bundesliga to get the 20 Mio. if you reach CL.

BundesLiga/PL > Spain/Italy League but NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Messi would get destroyed in the PL. CR7 is so much better, he scores most of his goals against good teams and Messi only scores against these 3rd tier teams 10-20 in spain, that wouldn't even make the 1st Division in Germany/England.

Oh please, don't make me feel embarassed for being a Bundesliga fan!

Schalke lost to Bilbao and Leverkusen got destroyed by Barcelona, La Liga has great quality that's a fact. That and Messi did score a lot of goals against the top6 in the league.

And your beloved Dortmund should prove their international class in the Champions League before you praise the Bundesliga to high heaven.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 10:49:48
May 06 2012 10:47 GMT
#7933
La Liga teams only look bad because Madrid and Barcelona make them look bad lol. People talking shit about Messi makes me laugh hard at the clueless fools :D

In the europe league semifinals, 3 out of 4 teams are spanish while ManCity and ManU got kicked out.
Revolutionist fan
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
May 06 2012 10:55 GMT
#7934
Bundesliga is above Serie A for sure. Serie A is shit ever since Calciopoli. They've yet to recover from that. Let's see how Juventus reinforce for next season and I think we'll have a different story soon. All they need is a Higuain/Cavani type of striker and they're set to go and dominate Serie A and do well in Europe. Milan is not too bad they've just gotta fix a few problems with their defense here and there. (They might lose Thiago Silva though which will be hard for them to replace.) As for Inter I think they'll be shit for a few more years. :D
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
rapture
Profile Joined January 2003
Germany645 Posts
May 06 2012 11:03 GMT
#7935
On May 06 2012 19:36 graan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 18:59 rapture wrote:
we have discussed this thousands of times already. real/barca would do very good in any league they would play in epl/seria a/bundesliga. would they totally destroy every single team in it? No. Justifying their CL drop out because they only had to play easy opponents till then is just plain stupid, disrespecting and also of course not true. yes they declassed Leverkusen, but Lev was having a bad series while also loosing 4 times in Bundesliga during that time. Sometimes you have bad series/games - thats football.


I want to say they wouldnt, but if u look at the facts its not the case.. #3,7 finisher in Bundesliga loosing to #5,9 in Spain in decisive fashion, and these teams do take euro league serious, sure manu/city dont but these clubs do.

Leverkusen won btw 4 days befor their 7:1 slaugther 2:0 against bayern. They even had almost even score against valencia in groups, take that as u want..

If u look at reals run, zagreb ajax lyon in groups, zska moskau in round of 16 and nikosia in quarters, i dont see how this is disrespecting to any of those clubs if the play against real madrid, huge favoritein every single match.
Sure thats only my opinion, playing classico between those games is another good reason and you can find many more.

Barca should never ever have lost against this chelsea, i think i realy dont have to go into this..

well I will not disagree with you when your point is that la liga > bundesliga. Yes Leverkusen won before that against Bayern, when they played their best game of the season by far. They also went 2nd in a group with chelsea (who lost to leverkusen once and barely went first because leverkusen wasnt able to win against genk in their last game). They won games against both CL finalists and clearly lost against Barca - so one might think the skill gap isn't as clear as you might think.

What is your point with Real? Are you saying they lost to bayern because they had easier opponents before that? rofl
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6297 Posts
May 06 2012 11:09 GMT
#7936
On May 06 2012 19:47 Salteador Neo wrote:
La Liga teams only look bad because Madrid and Barcelona make them look bad lol. People talking shit about Messi makes me laugh hard at the clueless fools :D

In the europe league semifinals, 3 out of 4 teams are spanish while ManCity and ManU got kicked out.


Indeed teams like Valencia, Bilbao and Atletico are real good teams it's just that they always compete with 2 teams that have been in godmode the last few years.
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2108 Posts
May 06 2012 11:09 GMT
#7937
On May 06 2012 19:47 Salteador Neo wrote:
La Liga teams only look bad because Madrid and Barcelona make them look bad lol. People talking shit about Messi makes me laugh hard at the clueless fools :D

In the europe league semifinals, 3 out of 4 teams are spanish while ManCity and ManU got kicked out.

Agreed. If it's so easy to score 50 goals why hasn't anyone but messi and cr7 done it? Look at europa league with la ligas mid tier teams, bundesliga and epl and see what teams got demolished and furthest. Don't underestimate Bilbao, Valencia, Atletico Madrid (where falcao has been scoring like crazy and is for the 2nd time the biggest goal scorer in europa league)
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sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
May 06 2012 11:20 GMT
#7938
I'm not convinced by the Europa league matches, I'm not sure you can really compare EPL with La Liga off them, I doubt the teams really even wanted to win them, it's just more matches that will tire out your players and getting a few points higher in the league is worth way more in money, especially if you have a chance of losing out on CL positions.
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
May 06 2012 11:22 GMT
#7939
Big day today for both Serie A and EPL, the season has been about clubs who were in shadows of a rival and finally
MAYBE
winning it.

Germany - Dortmund
Spain - Real Madrid
Italy - Juventus
England - Man City

★ Top Gun ★
SnowyPsilocybin
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom265 Posts
May 06 2012 11:24 GMT
#7940
First time cheering for Man city this season, as an Arsenal fan, after Arsenal fucked up and might get champions league next season
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