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As others analyzers have pointed it out, this move allows us to gain either a pawn or strong position. Plus these lines give white a strong advantage.
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Xaerkar
United States230 Posts
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chesshaha
United States1117 Posts
He meant that Bxc6+ was a giant mistake. It's only down from here. Anyways, I'll follow everyone... I vote for 10. Qa4 | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On September 18 2011 03:07 chesshaha wrote: He meant that Bxc6+ was a giant mistake. It's only down from here. Anyways, I'll follow everyone... I vote for 10. Qa4 Wait.... I thought we already lost on move 5? Now I'm really confused. | ||
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keyStorm
Canada316 Posts
-edited- NO! 10.Qa4 <----better | ||
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wizard944
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lightman
United States731 Posts
Am I too late? I would like to post every now and then a few analysis moves, I played on the past TL Chess matches before. | ||
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Bengui
Canada775 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
Down the line, by the way, re the strategic point that people have been talking about: + Show Spoiler + an ending with opposite-colored Bishops: as I mentioned earlier, I favor keeping our Knight on the board, rather than our dark-squared Bishop, to avoid an opposite-colored Bishop endgame. | ||
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EnderSword
Canada669 Posts
I don't think we're gonna have a ton of dissent on this one anyway | ||
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Ng5
702 Posts
lightman wrote: Hello, Am I too late? I would like to post every now and then a few analysis moves, I played on the past TL Chess matches before. Sure go ahead.  | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
I feel we are over-analyzing lines with which he trades I fully expect him to retreat his bishop, but at most, that's the only thing he will trade. I am leaning towards either 11. Bxd2 or 11. Nb3 | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On September 18 2011 12:46 Bill Murray wrote: the "it's going to get dicey soon" is him bluffing + Show Spoiler + I feel we are over-analyzing lines with which he trades I fully expect him to retreat his bishop, but at most, that's the only thing he will trade. I am leaning towards either 11. Bxd2 or 11. Nb3 + Show Spoiler + Retreating the bishop would be a clear blunder. We simply capture his knight on e4, then play Qxc6+ followed by Qxe4, and we are up two pawns. Right? | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
Votes 9. Bxc6+: 17 (itsjustatank, jdseemoreglass, Ikari, mastergriggy, qrs, Shackes, Malli, Malinor, Mash2, indigoawareness, aphorism, Archers_bane, Xaerkar, Chezus, Babyfactory, noclaninator, RAGEMOAR The Pope, 9. 0-0: 15 (chesshaha, 9. Qa4: 1-2 (dtvu, J_J777?) 9. a3: 2 (Seldentar, keyStorm) 9. exd e.p.: 2 (Cloud9157, LaXerCannon) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8c83h.png) And the current standings for move 10: Votes 10. Qa4: 20 (jdseemoreglass, BillMurray, hp.Shell, shackes, Raysalis, LaXerCannon, aphorism, Malli, Chezus, Mabilis, Malinor, TehForce, Ikari, Soluhwin, Mash2, Xaerkar, chesshaha, keyStorm, qrs, EnderSword) 10. 0-0: 2 ( ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/D0bL9.png) | ||
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Ng5
702 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
10...Bxd2+ or 10...Nxd2 Nxd2. The reasoning is that this allows us to get rid of Black's strongly positioned Knight on e4. After 11...Nxd2 12. Bxd2, we will be left with a board where the only minor pieces are opposite colored Bishops. Despite our slight edge in pawn structure, this seems like a very drawish game, for a couple of reasons:
(10...Bxd2) 11. Bxd2. Even though this leaves Black his Knight on e4, it prevents the game from being reduced to opposite-colored Bishops. With a Knight against his Bishop (or Bishop and Knight vs Bishop and Knight), I feel that we will have a stronger chance of finding a way to convert our pawn structure advantage to a victory. In my opinion, this decision is definitely worth consideration, and our 11th move should not be taken for granted. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
I mention that to show that posting the reasoning behind your vote is not a waste of time. Even if you only convince one person, that can be enough to make the difference. | ||
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
I'm against the opposite bishops endgame. For this reason, if 10. Qa4 Bxd2, I prefer 11. Bxd2 over 11. Nxd2. It's also good to keep our positional advantage with our knight on f3 rather than retreat it to d2. If black responds to 10. Qa4 by opting not to move the B on b4 or the c6, and instead ...Nxf2, we simply take with Kxf2. This prevents us from castling but puts us up a minor piece, which is a decent trade considering the board position at that point. If 10. ...Rb8, we still come out on top with 11. Qxc6+ because it allows us to castle. If 11. Qxc6+ Bd7, 12. Qxd5 and we are significantly ahead. The threat of 10. ...Rb8 is not very important atm. I'm expecting 10. ...Bxd2, because it severely limits our knight on f3 and prevents us from putting pressure on the center (and especially e4). But 10. ...Nxd2 is kinda threatening because 11. Qxb4 Nxf3 12. gxf3 puts us in a bad spot with both of our castling options. And if 10. ...Nxd2 11. Qxc6+ Bd7 12. Qxd5 is bad because black's a8 rook is not under any pressure. If 10. ...Nxd2 we must take the knight on d2 on turn 12 at the very latest. | ||
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Archers_bane
United States1338 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + attacking while promoting trades to get the pressure off our king | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On September 18 2011 15:52 hp.Shell wrote: I don't see how you can consider the move in question any more threatening than + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler + But 10. ...Nxd2 is kinda threatening because 11. Qxb4 Nxf3 12. gxf3 puts us in a bad spot with both of our castling options. And if 10. ...Nxd2 11. Qxc6+ Bd7 12. Qxd5 is bad because black's a8 rook is not under any pressure. If 10. ...Nxd2 we must take the knight on d2 on turn 12 at the very latest. 10...Bxd2 11. Bxd2, forcing 11... BxB+ (unless Black wants to drop two pawns, or his Bishop) 12. QxB or NxB. Black can force the same position in the 10...Bxd2 line (unless we want to give up a piece for two pawns) by playing 11...Nxd2, so if 10...Nxd2 is threatening, 10...Bxd2 must be just as threatening. (I don't think either one is threatening.) | ||
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