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Smuft
Canada318 Posts
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Capn
United States539 Posts
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Smuft
Canada318 Posts
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Dave[9]
United States2365 Posts
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Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
On December 21 2004 15:58 Dave[9] wrote: How is having good players a bad thing, it makes it more helpful if your learning and you cant predict bad players =[ that depends, are u more focused on improving or making money? | ||
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karelen
Sweden2407 Posts
On December 21 2004 15:58 Dave[9] wrote: How is having good players a bad thing, it makes it more helpful if your learning and you cant predict bad players =[ sure you can, at the end of the day its their money you will be spending  | ||
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Smuft
Canada318 Posts
On December 21 2004 15:58 Dave[9] wrote: How is having good players a bad thing, it makes it more helpful if your learning and you cant predict bad players =[ You have posted over 1000 times on a forum and this is your response to the englightenment I offer you? Don't insult me. | ||
Liquid`RaSZi
Netherlands2766 Posts
The con of the interface for me is really important. PP gives me a headache. Also i don't suffer anything from ps 'only' having 30K people online at peaks. Tables filled for me all the time and plenty of fish on them. PP is easy money indeed because of the amounts of retards there. But that also increases the bad beats so swings can be very very big. The table creating system on pp is retarded. On the 2/4 NL tables for instance there.. There are few u can join and waiting lists consist of 30 players. Only to keep the level low. On pokerstars every time all the tables are full a new one is created which is a lot better. Bonusses are good on pp indeed and they have much better deals., like the one meat is offering. Overall i like ps the best also because it's more about poker.. i just play pp on the side but usually i transfer money to ps and keep a basis on pp to play properly with. | ||
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Dave[9]
United States2365 Posts
and i am focusing on improoving my game, is it a bad thing to post my opinion? I just like to play with people better with me, its always been like that for BW and poker. | ||
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Capn
United States539 Posts
On December 21 2004 15:58 Dave[9] wrote: How is having good players a bad thing, it makes it more helpful if your learning and you cant predict bad players =[ Poker is all about making money. In a tough game most of your money is going to come from the one or two bad players that are there. There is no reason you should want to be at a table with 8 or 9 other players who are all better than you. | ||
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Kobayashi
Portugal1970 Posts
On December 21 2004 19:46 Capn wrote: Poker is all about making money. In a tough game most of your money is going to come from the one or two bad players that are there. There is no reason you should want to be at a table with 8 or 9 other players who are all better than you. to improve, the question is: do you have enough money to keep learning | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
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Capn
United States539 Posts
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Liquid`RaSZi
Netherlands2766 Posts
On December 21 2004 19:46 Capn wrote: Poker is all about making money. In a tough game most of your money is going to come from the one or two bad players that are there. There is no reason you should want to be at a table with 8 or 9 other players who are all better than you. Ever thought of the possibility that if you're better you make more money? | ||
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
Cya at the tables! Regards Oystein | ||
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Izenra
Canada679 Posts
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Smuft
Canada318 Posts
You will find this a much easier task if you play on PartyPoker. The idea that you can learn to play better on PokerStars is ridiculous. You will learn to play better against a different kind of opponent, the kind that is tight and doesn't give you their money easily. While on PartyPoker, you learn to play against loose and fishy opponents, the kind that you can tap for everything they're worth. Which type of opponent would you rather learn to play against? | ||
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scrapperdog
United States779 Posts
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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emerton
Norway167 Posts
On December 21 2004 21:40 Oystein wrote: What gods of Brood war play high stakes NL? only one I know of is Saft... PS dont have high NL.... Go to UB, Prima or Lads if you want high stakes NL 15\30nl and above. Cya at the tables! Regards Oystein Tillerman plays at Ladbrokes sometimes. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
live games normally dont go much higher than that. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On December 21 2004 22:08 Smuft wrote: When you sit down at a Poker table and play the game as it should be played, you have but one goal: take your opponents for everything they're worth. You will find this a much easier task if you play on PartyPoker. The idea that you can learn to play better on PokerStars is ridiculous. You will learn to play better against a different kind of opponent, the kind that is tight and doesn't give you their money easily. While on PartyPoker, you learn to play against loose and fishy opponents, the kind that you can tap for everything they're worth. Which type of opponent would you rather learn to play against? you're talking to bw players bw players want to be the best, not just good | ||
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typhy
129 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
the swings are too big and the stakes are too high of course you can try and make a run for it, I started myself there and survived, so especially with their deals (like $75 for $25 that's offered through TL) it's very possible to make a good streak. though when that happens don't let it get to you and stay a the lower limits for a while | ||
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Resonate
United Kingdom8402 Posts
i play partypoker but with my addictive personality and gung-ho attitude towards games i can't allow myself to play for real money cos i'd either win loads, play harder tables and get raped, or i'd lose all my money and incur some serious debts. not being naturally amazing at games like this makes me think maybe to err on the side of caution | ||
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
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Roman
United States2595 Posts
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scrapperdog
United States779 Posts
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Kasper
Denmark91 Posts
Also in 15/30 (for whoever plays that) the small blind is 10 and not 7 like other places, forcing you to call a lot more as sb than you normally would. I personally think it should be just 7,5, but then again i dont play that limit very often. | ||
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Larry_David
United States211 Posts
easy to remember me | ||
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Smuft
Canada318 Posts
I will also tell you that if you use Meat's deal where you are effectively getting $50 for free (give him $25, get back $50 plus $25 bonus) you will find yourself in a much better spot than if you simply depositted that same $25 on PokerStars where you get little to no bonus at all. The bonuses keep coming too, there is a 15% up to $75 bonus offered to every new player, and there is PartyPokers standard monthly bonuses as well. Kapser, the big blind being the button on PartyPoker is kind of annoying but it's a insignificant in comparison with all of the advantages. The blind structure in 15/30 just promotes more action, I suppose it is a disadvantage for the better player but if you've played that game seriously, you won't have many complaints as it's quality is excellent. The players are ridiculously agressive, overplaying their hands so bad and making impossible bluffs. There is 50 15/30 games running at peak hours and no shortage of fish. I strongly believe the 15/30 at PartyPoker is the best limit ring game on the net. I'm about to have a session right now. I'll post you guys a screenshot when I'm finished that will illustrate the utter power of a professional PartyPoker player abusing all the tools he has at his disposal. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
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Smuft
Canada318 Posts
![[image loading]](http://24.114.180.122/smuft.jpg) Click the link if the screenshot isn't completely viewable. I hope you guys are using 1600x1200. The screenshot is of my desktop during an 8 table session of the 5/10 6 max on PartyPoker. You will notice a bunch of numbers above or below each players name. The numbers from top left to top right are, %VP$IP (flops seen %), Pre-flop raise %, and total hands I have on this player. The bottom numbers are agression factor for the flop, turn, and river. Agression factor is determined by the formula (bet % + call %) / raise %. Now, what do all these numbers mean? Well, I can tell how often a player is in the pot on the flop, how often he raises before the flop and how agressive he is on each street. If a player with a pre flop raise % of 2, raises in front of me, I can safely fold AQo. if a player with a pre flop raise % of 20 raises me, I can 3 bet him with ATo or even worse. If a player calls my bets all the way and suddenly raises me on the turn and has an agression factor of 0.3, I know he's got the nuts or close to it and I can safely lay down top pair. All of these stats are imported in real time into PokerTracker and then updated in real time right on your PartyPoker interface using PlayerView. I'm getting roughly 600 hands an hour on 8 tables and I know my players better than they know themselves as soon as they sit down. Do you understand the power? Can you do that on PokerStars? | ||
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scrapperdog
United States779 Posts
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BinGBonG[gamei]
Netherlands514 Posts
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Jamers
Israel1327 Posts
Would all those stats that you can collect from hand histories be useful in NL? Would a significantly larger hand sample be needed? I have PT, just never bothered to use all that cool stuff you use. And I don't see what you're talking about PS not being PT friendly. I have everything set on auto too, while using PS. It requests 100 hands automatically every 15 mintues, and then automatically checks my e-mail and automatically imports it into the database. | ||
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Smuft
Canada318 Posts
Okay, PokerTracker is PokerStars friendly but it is best friends with PartyPoker. You can update 100 hands every 15 minutes? Doesn't it occasionally make mistakes when PT runs the macro to email hand history? I'm not sure if it has this problem with PokerStars but I know it used to happen to me. With PartyPoker, PT imports from your hand history folder stored locally on your hard drive at customizable increments in minutes (mine is set to every 1 minute). You can also set it up to auto import observed hands. Which means, you can leave your PartyPoker running all day long, picking up hands on your opponents and within a few days you have hands on every single player who plays your limit. POWER! | ||
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Kasper
Denmark91 Posts
And i think its pretty amazing that you can manage 8 tables of shorthanded limit even if the stakes are not very high. 600 hands an hour would be very stressful to me What do you normally play and what do you make? | ||
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TheGoliath
United States682 Posts
get a kickass hand and then raise like hell. i made a couple thousand chips doing it play money before i got bored and switched to low stakes. this sounds basically like what party poker people do. | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
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Liquid`RaSZi
Netherlands2766 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
im pretty sure at one point i had both smuft and mensrea online on msn | ||
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ejai63
United States2101 Posts
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
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Smuft
Canada318 Posts
Raszi, I totally play on auto-pilot as well, I can 8 table while on the phone and in an MSN conversation. These numbers just compliment that kind of play. Kasper, I 4-6 table 10-20 shorthanded for 2.5 BB / 100. I've only recently moved up and haven't really established a win rate with only 10 000 hands but I suspect it'll be somewhere around there. I'll let a fellow Poker player do the math and figure out how much that's worth a month. Time to go Christmas shopping. I know my family and friends will all be well taken care of this year. Thank you PartyPoker fish. PS - Do not insult the greatness that is Mensrea by suggesting we may be the same person | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Dealer
Sweden1368 Posts
smufts big pictures go here Just informing you that you are giving your nickname away on the table with AJ | ||
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Jamers
Israel1327 Posts
On December 23 2004 02:14 Smuft wrote: They are definitely useful in NL. In the beginning stages of a Poker player's career he can identify his 'problem hands' by going through his database and checking his hands that should be in the green but are actually in the red. In the later stages, when you have a nice database going for yourself, you can check up on another player's stats in a sticky situation. A very simple example: UTG limps, you make it 4x the BB with AA in MP, everyone folds and UTG calls. The flop comes K32 rainbow and UTG goes all in, you're thinking WTF does he have? Your first thought is a set but a quick look at his stats and you see that he has never limped UTG with KK and he has never played 22 or 33 UTG so he must fold them, obviously he doesn't have K3 or K2 so you call and he shows you AK. You can understand how useful this would be in a big pot against a player you have a lot of hands on. Okay, PokerTracker is PokerStars friendly but it is best friends with PartyPoker. You can update 100 hands every 15 minutes? Doesn't it occasionally make mistakes when PT runs the macro to email hand history? I'm not sure if it has this problem with PokerStars but I know it used to happen to me. With PartyPoker, PT imports from your hand history folder stored locally on your hard drive at customizable increments in minutes (mine is set to every 1 minute). You can also set it up to auto import observed hands. Which means, you can leave your PartyPoker running all day long, picking up hands on your opponents and within a few days you have hands on every single player who plays your limit. POWER! I am aware of all these PT features and I put them to use as it is. My question referred to the cute colored numbers you have under players' names on your PP tables. I understand their incredible use in limit, and was wondering whether they'd be any use in NL, and if so, would I need a significantly larger hand sample for them to have any use. EDIT: Actually, I just thought and I guess you never said those numbers are part of PT. So if they are not, could you please tell me how would one go about getting those cute little things on their own poker table? | ||
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CirCa
Canada158 Posts
On December 23 2004 10:38 Smuft wrote: Kasper, I 4-6 table 10-20 shorthanded for 2.5 BB / 100. I've only recently moved up and haven't really established a win rate with only 10 000 hands but I suspect it'll be somewhere around there. I'll let a fellow Poker player do the math and figure out how much that's worth a month. Has a fellow poker player done the math? cuz I'd like to know. | ||
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S.Q)Seven
Greece279 Posts
Unfortunately "Playerview", the program that makes you able to put the notes above the players' names works only at partypoker's skins. You can still use those numbers from PT on pokerstars and some other sites, but you have to use them like you use the notes (right clicking in pokerstars's case) which is a little uncomfortable if you are multi-tabling. | ||
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Jamers
Israel1327 Posts
Anyways, are those numbers useful in NL? Do you use them? Also do you have a rules file for rating NL players by any chance? | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
On December 21 2004 20:22 BigBalls wrote: gee, i wonder why mensrea left...... I was thinking the same thing as I read through his post... | ||
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S.Q)Seven
Greece279 Posts
And i dont rate the players, i just remember the regulars and respect them as they respect me. | ||
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Refrain[FriZ]
Canada4337 Posts
I'm starting out on PartyPoker, and have just experience playing with the Play Money. I want to play with small amounts of real money, like $5-$10 CAD. But I only have a PayPal account that I use with my sister's credit card; can I use this to directly pay to PP? I couldn't find any info on it that they would let me... and I don't want to take up Liquid Meat's offer because it's too much much money for me to risk. Is there another way? I thought of maybe paypalling some money to someone... yeah. Halp? | ||
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Smuft
Canada318 Posts
Refrain, you are a Canadian. If you cannot risk $25 then you're playing the wrong game, especially when you're getting $75 in return for your $25. Meat's deal will allow you to transfer the money via Paypal. Rekrul, nice post. Very 'useful'. How about some content next time? Too much to expect from one of the moderators? Dealer, it took a Swede to be that observant. Merry Christmas fishes~ | ||
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Capn
United States539 Posts
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
I am in Russia so cheques is problem here because u need to wait for like 2 months and pay like 3% just to cash this cheque... Anyone from Russia has such experience? | ||
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Smuft
Canada318 Posts
GL ^_^ | ||
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Jamers
Israel1327 Posts
I am having trouble getting funds to Eurobet, as they don't accept Firepay, and I can't use my Neteller. Would you be willing to swap a small amount? Like 100-200$? I'd transfer to PS, and you'd transfer to Eurobet? Thanks in advance. | ||
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Daishi
United Kingdom106 Posts
You have posted over 1000 times on a forum and this is your response to the englightenment I offer you? Don't insult me. Dick. | ||
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Milzo
France656 Posts
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
On December 23 2004 12:10 CirCa wrote: Has a fellow poker player done the math? cuz I'd like to know. 8 table EP + PP assume 50 hands/table/hr 8*50=400 400/100=4 4*2.5=10 10*20=200 assume 4 hrs/day 200*4=800 | ||
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
shorthanded and 4-6 table lol that's what he'd make if he 8 full tabled @ 2.5 bb/hr ok lolz | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
Just figure out how many hands he plays per hour, which I would guess at 80*5 (5 tables, 80 hands per table because short handed), which is 400, which would mean 100 bucks per hour. Assume 4 hours per day, thats 400 a day. 400*30 is 12000 a month. Not too shabby. | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
if its blinds, then its 24000 a month | ||
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
On December 24 2004 12:14 Smuft wrote: PaleMan, http://www.neteller.com . These guys should be able to handle cashouts to a Russian account. The procedure is: cashout to Neteller from PartyPoker and then cashout to your Russian bank account from Neteller (most Poker players do like this). I would start working on making your Neteller account as soon as possible as it will take at least a few days before it's certified and ready to make transfers. GL ^_^ Well, Steven, it is very kind of you, but i highly doubt Neteller has conections in Russia because they even don't have Russia in their Country list... T_T Maybe you know more about them? And one more question. Since PartyPoker has nice customer support maybe it is possible to ask them to transfer money via Western Union? What do you think? | ||
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scrapperdog
United States779 Posts
On December 25 2004 09:10 PaleMan wrote: Well, Steven, it is very kind of you, but i highly doubt Neteller has conections in Russia because they even don't have Russia in their Country list... T_T Maybe you know more about them? And one more question. Since PartyPoker has nice customer support maybe it is possible to ask them to transfer money via Western Union? What do you think? Paleman .. do not start playing at partypoker .. play on pokerstars because u can play for pennies or dimes and learn how to play. The smallest limit at party is 25/50 and that is too high for any beginner. My advice ,, start at pokerstars and play the pennies then the 5/10 cent games. Once you can beat the 5/10 games at pokerstars (probably take a few months), you are ready to play on partypoker. Yes the 5/10 cent games on stars are about as hard as the 20/50 on partypoker. You can western union pokerstars money as well. When u are ready for partypoker take meat up on his offer. EDIT- if you take my advice and start small on stars and slowly work your way up when you are ready for partypoker you can x fer me 25 beans on stars and i will send it to meat via net teller. BTW partypoker does not take wu, pokerstars does. | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
i started playing partypoker in june. for about 2 months i was up and down before i realized how to play consistently well. i was very lucky to not lose my money with the swings i had. i took 3 months off and started playing again last month. ive made about 350 the last month and i keep getting better. you want to start with the pennies games on pokerstars until you can consistently beat the horrible players, then continuously move up BUT NOT TOO FAST. make sure you can consistently win at a table before you decide to move up. | ||
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RockJunkie
Mexico171 Posts
"20. You understand that NETeller at present does not service accounts from the following countries: Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bhutan, Bouvet Island, Bulgaria, Cambodia, Croatia, Estonia, Georgia, Ghana, Hungary, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Korea (North), Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Latvia, Lebanon, Libya, Lithuania, Malaysia, Moldova, Mongolia, Myanmar (Burma), Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan, Romania, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Serbia and Montenegro, Slovakia, Slovenia, Somalia, Syria, Tajikistan, Thailand, Turkmenistan, Uganda, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Yemen, Yugoslavia. This list is subject to change without notice." You should try via WU, gl | ||
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PaleMan
Russian Federation1953 Posts
About partypoker I saw 0.5/1$ tables there. It's OK for me. | ||
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)Is(Honest
Korea (South)417 Posts
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S.Q)Seven
Greece279 Posts
Dont worry its free. | ||
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scrapperdog
United States779 Posts
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pinbaLL
Sweden1711 Posts
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pinbaLL
Sweden1711 Posts
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