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GameTime
Profile Joined May 2010
United States222 Posts
July 28 2011 22:55 GMT
#561
Sidney Rice to the Seahawks! We're getting a lot from Minnesota lately.
Only the winner deserves to win.
rod-
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway379 Posts
July 28 2011 23:09 GMT
#562
WOW! Patriots got both haynesworth and 85 on the same day, if (and Im pretty sure) Bill Belichick can control those guys it should be a very very hard afc east for the rest.

Also happy to see Kolb going to Arizona, I have some faith in him.
Miami also got Reggie Bush, who I still think is one of the best playmakers in NFL today. So yeah AFC east is still imo the best divison as of now.
IMmvp~~
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-28 23:45:35
July 28 2011 23:44 GMT
#563
I'm in shock. I can't believe Chicago just traded Olsen to Carolina. What a ridiculous waste. The guy would spark every time they gave him some attention in the offense, but they insisted on using him as a blocker for years. He was easily our best weapon in the passing game. And now they dump him for a draft pick. Come on, Angelo....
Uff Da
turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-28 23:48:01
July 28 2011 23:45 GMT
#564
If anyone can get Haynesworth and Ocho to shut up and play, it's Bellichick. He might have just made out like a bandit.


EDIT: What did they get for Olsen? I didn't see anything yet.
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
July 28 2011 23:51 GMT
#565
On July 29 2011 08:45 turamn wrote:
If anyone can get Haynesworth and Ocho to shut up and play, it's Bellichick. He might have just made out like a bandit.


EDIT: What did they get for Olsen? I didn't see anything yet.

A pick and a player, which haven't been named yet. The player is not Steve Smith. The thing is I doubt it's going to be much. Probably something like a 4th and a backup lineman. I just don't have any faith in Angelo's ability to make a good trade after the Gaines Adams fiasco.
Uff Da
Quesa
Profile Joined November 2010
United States304 Posts
July 29 2011 00:02 GMT
#566
On July 29 2011 08:51 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 08:45 turamn wrote:
If anyone can get Haynesworth and Ocho to shut up and play, it's Bellichick. He might have just made out like a bandit.


EDIT: What did they get for Olsen? I didn't see anything yet.

A pick and a player, which haven't been named yet. The player is not Steve Smith. The thing is I doubt it's going to be much. Probably something like a 4th and a backup lineman. I just don't have any faith in Angelo's ability to make a good trade after the Gaines Adams fiasco.


I was blown away by this, this is such a massive steal; we haven't had a TE since the 90s (not sure what we can expect from Shockey, either). We could send y'all our entire receiving corps excluding Smitty and it's a bargain. Now all we need is a quarterback. And a couple of other receivers :x

It's such an odd move, the Bears are one of the few teams with receivers as weak as ours (as evidenced by Muhammad bouncing back and forth between us), and Olsen was such a great asset. I really don't get it.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
July 29 2011 00:10 GMT
#567
Jonathan Joseph to the Texans....Namdi to Jets imminent? Are you kidding me...how would you throw on those guys...
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 00:41:05
July 29 2011 00:40 GMT
#568
On July 29 2011 09:02 Quesa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 08:51 Qatol wrote:
On July 29 2011 08:45 turamn wrote:
If anyone can get Haynesworth and Ocho to shut up and play, it's Bellichick. He might have just made out like a bandit.


EDIT: What did they get for Olsen? I didn't see anything yet.

A pick and a player, which haven't been named yet. The player is not Steve Smith. The thing is I doubt it's going to be much. Probably something like a 4th and a backup lineman. I just don't have any faith in Angelo's ability to make a good trade after the Gaines Adams fiasco.


I was blown away by this, this is such a massive steal; we haven't had a TE since the 90s (not sure what we can expect from Shockey, either). We could send y'all our entire receiving corps excluding Smitty and it's a bargain. Now all we need is a quarterback. And a couple of other receivers :x

It's such an odd move, the Bears are one of the few teams with receivers as weak as ours (as evidenced by Muhammad bouncing back and forth between us), and Olsen was such a great asset. I really don't get it.

I agree. It's such a weird move. Chicago turned their biggest position of strength into a weakness in less than a week by cutting or trading 3 of their 4 tight ends and replacing them with a backup from Pittsburgh. Meanwhile Carolina make out like bandits. Maybe it's payback for the Jamar Williams for Chris Harris trade?
Uff Da
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
July 29 2011 00:47 GMT
#569
On July 29 2011 09:40 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 09:02 Quesa wrote:
On July 29 2011 08:51 Qatol wrote:
On July 29 2011 08:45 turamn wrote:
If anyone can get Haynesworth and Ocho to shut up and play, it's Bellichick. He might have just made out like a bandit.


EDIT: What did they get for Olsen? I didn't see anything yet.

A pick and a player, which haven't been named yet. The player is not Steve Smith. The thing is I doubt it's going to be much. Probably something like a 4th and a backup lineman. I just don't have any faith in Angelo's ability to make a good trade after the Gaines Adams fiasco.


I was blown away by this, this is such a massive steal; we haven't had a TE since the 90s (not sure what we can expect from Shockey, either). We could send y'all our entire receiving corps excluding Smitty and it's a bargain. Now all we need is a quarterback. And a couple of other receivers :x

It's such an odd move, the Bears are one of the few teams with receivers as weak as ours (as evidenced by Muhammad bouncing back and forth between us), and Olsen was such a great asset. I really don't get it.

I agree. It's such a weird move. Chicago turned their biggest position of strength into a weakness in less than a week by cutting or trading 3 of their 4 tight ends and replacing them with a backup from Pittsburgh. Meanwhile Carolina make out like bandits. Maybe it's payback for the Jamar Williams for Chris Harris trade?


Yeah... Martz isn't exactly known for utilizing TEs, but come on, Olsen was the Bears best hands guy. CHI needs WRs bad status.

I'm pissed that Joseph just signed with the Texans... leaves it up to Jets vs Niners for Asomugha. Team wise Jets have the advantage, Niners got the $$$ advantage + home field, but if Nnamdi really cared about homefield/$$$ I'm sure Al Davis could overpay for him again.
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
July 29 2011 00:52 GMT
#570
On July 29 2011 09:47 nemY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 09:40 Qatol wrote:
On July 29 2011 09:02 Quesa wrote:
On July 29 2011 08:51 Qatol wrote:
On July 29 2011 08:45 turamn wrote:
If anyone can get Haynesworth and Ocho to shut up and play, it's Bellichick. He might have just made out like a bandit.


EDIT: What did they get for Olsen? I didn't see anything yet.

A pick and a player, which haven't been named yet. The player is not Steve Smith. The thing is I doubt it's going to be much. Probably something like a 4th and a backup lineman. I just don't have any faith in Angelo's ability to make a good trade after the Gaines Adams fiasco.


I was blown away by this, this is such a massive steal; we haven't had a TE since the 90s (not sure what we can expect from Shockey, either). We could send y'all our entire receiving corps excluding Smitty and it's a bargain. Now all we need is a quarterback. And a couple of other receivers :x

It's such an odd move, the Bears are one of the few teams with receivers as weak as ours (as evidenced by Muhammad bouncing back and forth between us), and Olsen was such a great asset. I really don't get it.

I agree. It's such a weird move. Chicago turned their biggest position of strength into a weakness in less than a week by cutting or trading 3 of their 4 tight ends and replacing them with a backup from Pittsburgh. Meanwhile Carolina make out like bandits. Maybe it's payback for the Jamar Williams for Chris Harris trade?


Yeah... Martz isn't exactly known for utilizing TEs, but come on, Olsen was the Bears best hands guy. CHI needs WRs bad status.

I'm pissed that Joseph just signed with the Texans... leaves it up to Jets vs Niners for Asomugha. Team wise Jets have the advantage, Niners got the $$$ advantage + home field, but if Nnamdi really cared about homefield/$$$ I'm sure Al Davis could overpay for him again.

Exactly. Let's face it, Chicago wasn't about to go out and grab a big name WR like Sidney Rice or Vincent Jackson. Which means Olsen is their best target. So they trade him?

I'm also pissed Joseph went to Houston. I was really hoping that Chicago would grab him and send Jennings packing. No way will they make a play for Asomugha.
Uff Da
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
July 29 2011 01:03 GMT
#571
Maybe the bears grab TO haha. Whiney QB with an old diva flanker... idk I thought the bears biggest needs were OL and WRs, until they traded away their star TE lol.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 01:31:12
July 29 2011 01:28 GMT
#572
On July 29 2011 00:35 BloodNinja wrote:
My Haynesworth prediction: he passes the physicals so the trade with New England goes through. However, at some point during camp Haynesworth acts up again and kicks Haynesworth to the curb. Haynesworth then resigns with Philly as his old line coach will be the last one to take a shot on him and I have no idea how he will do there.

@ eshlow: Not sure if you are keeping up with the news. Rabach, Daniels, and Kemoeatu (reports on Roydell Williams being cut as well but unconfirmed). Stockley no longer coming to DC after he saw they signed 17 billion other WRs. Traded Haynesworth, McNabb, and Jarman. Kelen Clemmons/Josh Williams signed via FA. I am sure I am missing some other names in here.

My thoughts, interesting that they cut Rabach. He was definitely declining in skill but with the QB situation as it I figured they would keep an old hand at C around as that would make the transition easier. The Jarmon trade makes no sense to me. Trading a young plyable DE who showed some great flashes for Jabbar Gaffney? The Dline is one of many weak points and adding another vet WR to the list of 50 others (ok not 50 but they have 13 currently signed) you are signing seems silly. Also not sure I like the Clemmons pickup either. They already have two youngish but not rookie QBs is there really a need for a 3rd? I figure you bring in the big name vet to lead or you bring in the project to sit on your bench while you build him. The rest of the moves make sense to me.


Yeah, I know everything that's happened with us.

Finally cut Rabach... he was good for at least 1 hold per game and allowed the pocket to collapse so much. He's was pretty much terrible for the past 2 years and i was hoping he would get cut last year... but I'll take the cut now.

Jarmon is a 4-3 DE at 280 lbs and we had him bulk up to that weight (he was like 265 or something). He doesn't fit 3-4 scheme at all so we got rid of him which was good. He was probably gonna get cut anyway.

Gaffney I'm not sure why thye traded for him but it's fine I guessif he can perform still. I personally would've rather had a draft pick and allowed our drafted wide receivers to develop..... but I guess since he's a good route runner with a big body they want him to be more of a possession receiver for us and probably help teach some of the rookies.

Clemens pretty much got somewhat of a raw deal like Beck did (with the Jets as opposed to the Dolphins for Beck) so I guess they see some decent qualities in comparison to Schaub which would fit Kyle's offensive system. Shrug.... I was surprised as anyone but he's gonna be pretty much 3rd string QB so it doesn't matter much I'm guessing. We also signed some UDFA QB so I'm guessing he's gonna compete with that dude.

Bowens signing I like... if only to spite the cowboys. Haha, but yeah, he seems to be a solid 3-4 DE and we need some help there so it's good. almost 100% we won't sign cullen jenkins now.
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Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
July 29 2011 01:29 GMT
#573
wheres everyone getting updates from ;;. is espn covering all the trading?

bush to the dolphins TT. hes why i became a saints fan. but thats not gonna change :D
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
July 29 2011 01:31 GMT
#574
On July 29 2011 10:03 nemY wrote:
Maybe the bears grab TO haha. Whiney QB with an old diva flanker... idk I thought the bears biggest needs were OL and WRs, until they traded away their star TE lol.

a te that couldn't block a cb
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 01:32:28
July 29 2011 01:31 GMT
#575
On July 29 2011 10:29 Juliette wrote:
wheres everyone getting updates from ;;. is espn covering all the trading?

bush to the dolphins TT. hes why i became a saints fan. but thats not gonna change :D


twitter, espn, fan message boards, wherever..


J Joseph gets 5 years, $48.75 million and $23.5 guaranteed, including $12.5 signing bonus, from Houston.

Wow.... I guess Asomugha gonna get more than this...
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
July 29 2011 01:35 GMT
#576
Also, I feel really bad for Cincinatti fans..... Mike Brown trying to run the team into the ground....
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32161 Posts
July 29 2011 02:07 GMT
#577
On July 29 2011 10:31 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 10:29 Juliette wrote:
wheres everyone getting updates from ;;. is espn covering all the trading?

bush to the dolphins TT. hes why i became a saints fan. but thats not gonna change :D


twitter, espn, fan message boards, wherever..


J Joseph gets 5 years, $48.75 million and $23.5 guaranteed, including $12.5 signing bonus, from Houston.

Wow.... I guess Asomugha gonna get more than this...


Holy fuckin front load

That Ocho deal is a steal for the Pats... fucking hell. People can knock chad all day, but the dude is 100% football when he's on the field, and he can still play damn well. If even just one of Hanesworth or Ocho pans out, the Pats are dramatically better.

That Jospeh deal means huge money for Asemowasdf;lj;lw

Speaking of money, I heard it on ESPN on tv the other day and saw nothing else, but is Frank Gore holding out??

The bears have terrible management. I have no idea why they'd get rid of Olsen, who is a pretty damn good catching TE, probably their best skill guy on offense.

I'm pretty surprised no one has taken a shot at Malcolm Floyd yet. Has a bit of an issue with injuries, but is an affordable big WR who at the very least could provide a nice change of pace on a smallish WR corps like in NYJ or the bears
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Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
July 29 2011 02:31 GMT
#578
On July 29 2011 10:31 Trezeguet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 10:03 nemY wrote:
Maybe the bears grab TO haha. Whiney QB with an old diva flanker... idk I thought the bears biggest needs were OL and WRs, until they traded away their star TE lol.

a te that couldn't block a cb

That same TE led the team in receiving TDs for the last 3 years running.

Also, apparently it is for a 3rd rounder straight up. About the same level as the 4th + backup I was expecting I guess. Terrible trade for a team built to win now.
Uff Da
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
July 29 2011 02:32 GMT
#579
Oh god seriously?

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/07/foot-injury-wil.html

Crabtree out of training camp/preseason... AGAIN.

Oh and the Niners signed David Akers... you know what this means guys... championship is all but wrapped up for us :/
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
July 29 2011 02:34 GMT
#580
On July 29 2011 10:28 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 00:35 BloodNinja wrote:
My Haynesworth prediction: he passes the physicals so the trade with New England goes through. However, at some point during camp Haynesworth acts up again and kicks Haynesworth to the curb. Haynesworth then resigns with Philly as his old line coach will be the last one to take a shot on him and I have no idea how he will do there.

@ eshlow: Not sure if you are keeping up with the news. Rabach, Daniels, and Kemoeatu (reports on Roydell Williams being cut as well but unconfirmed). Stockley no longer coming to DC after he saw they signed 17 billion other WRs. Traded Haynesworth, McNabb, and Jarman. Kelen Clemmons/Josh Williams signed via FA. I am sure I am missing some other names in here.

My thoughts, interesting that they cut Rabach. He was definitely declining in skill but with the QB situation as it I figured they would keep an old hand at C around as that would make the transition easier. The Jarmon trade makes no sense to me. Trading a young plyable DE who showed some great flashes for Jabbar Gaffney? The Dline is one of many weak points and adding another vet WR to the list of 50 others (ok not 50 but they have 13 currently signed) you are signing seems silly. Also not sure I like the Clemmons pickup either. They already have two youngish but not rookie QBs is there really a need for a 3rd? I figure you bring in the big name vet to lead or you bring in the project to sit on your bench while you build him. The rest of the moves make sense to me.


Yeah, I know everything that's happened with us.

Finally cut Rabach... he was good for at least 1 hold per game and allowed the pocket to collapse so much. He's was pretty much terrible for the past 2 years and i was hoping he would get cut last year... but I'll take the cut now.

Jarmon is a 4-3 DE at 280 lbs and we had him bulk up to that weight (he was like 265 or something). He doesn't fit 3-4 scheme at all so we got rid of him which was good. He was probably gonna get cut anyway.

Gaffney I'm not sure why thye traded for him but it's fine I guessif he can perform still. I personally would've rather had a draft pick and allowed our drafted wide receivers to develop..... but I guess since he's a good route runner with a big body they want him to be more of a possession receiver for us and probably help teach some of the rookies.

Clemens pretty much got somewhat of a raw deal like Beck did (with the Jets as opposed to the Dolphins for Beck) so I guess they see some decent qualities in comparison to Schaub which would fit Kyle's offensive system. Shrug.... I was surprised as anyone but he's gonna be pretty much 3rd string QB so it doesn't matter much I'm guessing. We also signed some UDFA QB so I'm guessing he's gonna compete with that dude.

Bowens signing I like... if only to spite the cowboys. Haha, but yeah, he seems to be a solid 3-4 DE and we need some help there so it's good. almost 100% we won't sign cullen jenkins now.


The price tag for Bowen: 5 years/ $27.5 million. $12 million guaranteed. Not a chance the Cowboys were going to try and match that offer. Looks like they might try resign Hatcher now but he is visiting the Broncos and definitely was not the one the Cowboys were hoping to resign initially. I still think they go after Cullen Jenkins though.
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