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Chenz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1197 Posts
June 22 2011 22:02 GMT
#781
The human eye argument is a myth, google around and you'll see. Although I can't personally see the difference between 40 fps and 120fps (on a 60hz monitor).
Razith
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada431 Posts
June 22 2011 22:08 GMT
#782
I stop noticing a difference after 60fps. Thats when things seem to be really fluid and not choppy at all. But the difference between 30fps and 60fps is like day and night to me. I can't play games unless I have at least 60fps.
Evilmystic
Profile Joined September 2010
Russian Federation266 Posts
June 22 2011 22:09 GMT
#783
On June 23 2011 06:43 Jswizzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 06:27 Evilmystic wrote:
On June 22 2011 05:18 blade55555 wrote:
On June 21 2011 23:28 DerBeefman wrote:
Started playing Battlefield with Bad Company 2 it's an awesome game, so I'm really interested in BF 3 as my new MP-shooter. I dunno why but I think I'm too retarded for COD ^^


you make it sound like COD is hard xD. If COD is hard for you BF3 is going to be a lot harder.

I've played both MW2 and BFBC2 alot and from my experience hardcore deathmatch in CoD is much more demanding on your reaction time.

I've been playing old FPS games lately in my library of games and COD is pretty much easy mode compared to any game before 2004. I'm trying to beat farcry right now on realistic and I forgot that weapon sway was something that was common in older FPS games and non regenerating health. Saying COD is hard for HC mode only really tells me that you don't know the maps because reaction time doesn't matter at all if have all the spots on the map memorized and pre aim when coming up to them. At least that's how I played HC and it normally got me a 2:1 or better KDR. I also miss sound whoring that was the best thing about older FPS games is that you could actually hear people moving around if they weren't crouched.


Memorizing the maps only helps as long as you know them better than your opponents and if they are equally skilled then it still comes down to your reflexes. And I'm only comparing BF and CoD, not the other ones (well, only played CS besides these two).
Strut
Profile Joined June 2010
United States182 Posts
June 22 2011 22:12 GMT
#784
the battlefield series has been the only fps game I've really enjoyed the last five years. love the big teams, big maps, the kits, vehicles. all awesome. bad company 2 was alright, but i hated how they removed prone!

BF 2142 was probably my favorite as just a casual player with friends, but it was pretty unpopular with the hardcore gamers (probably because of the titan mode)
Jswizzy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States791 Posts
June 22 2011 22:37 GMT
#785
On June 23 2011 06:59 sinii wrote:
Indeed, Iv heard the limit of the human eye argument so often with fps in games, and yet I know from first hand experience I feel a tremendous amount of difference playing at 120fps on a 120hz monitor in comparison to 30fps or 60fps.


Try these to tell if you can see a difference. I can but I'm using a 120 hz monitor.

http://frames-per-second.appspot.com/

http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html
I always try to give a sensitive, reasoned answer. This is usually awkward, time consuming and pointless.
affinity_12
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 02:25:23
June 23 2011 02:23 GMT
#786
What graphics card is better? The Radeon 6950 or Geforce 560 Ti? I'm planning to play this game on 1280*1024 high settings... do I even need these cards? Do you guys recommend the Radeon 5770 instead?

I just had a look and the Radeon 6950 > Geforce 560 Ti in terms of performance in Crysis 2. And the Radeon 6950 is a bit cheaper than the Geforce 560 Ti too.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-1gb-vs-geforce-gtx-560-ti-review/11
Lumberchuk
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada7 Posts
June 23 2011 02:27 GMT
#787
Hey we should play Battlefield 2 again while we wait! Just found my CD key!
andrewnguyener
Profile Joined March 2011
United States548 Posts
June 23 2011 02:28 GMT
#788
saw the console gameplay. it looks sick! i cant wait! it'll keep me busy till the new cod
Jswizzy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States791 Posts
June 23 2011 02:46 GMT
#789
On June 23 2011 11:23 affinity_12 wrote:
What graphics card is better? The Radeon 6950 or Geforce 560 Ti? I'm planning to play this game on 1280*1024 high settings... do I even need these cards? Do you guys recommend the Radeon 5770 instead?

I just had a look and the Radeon 6950 > Geforce 560 Ti in terms of performance in Crysis 2. And the Radeon 6950 is a bit cheaper than the Geforce 560 Ti too.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-1gb-vs-geforce-gtx-560-ti-review/11

Nvidia normally has less technical problems and DICE was using the 580 GTX for the PC demos so you know they have tested the game using Nvidia cards.
I always try to give a sensitive, reasoned answer. This is usually awkward, time consuming and pointless.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
June 23 2011 02:52 GMT
#790
On June 23 2011 11:23 affinity_12 wrote:
What graphics card is better? The Radeon 6950 or Geforce 560 Ti? I'm planning to play this game on 1280*1024 high settings... do I even need these cards? Do you guys recommend the Radeon 5770 instead?

I just had a look and the Radeon 6950 > Geforce 560 Ti in terms of performance in Crysis 2. And the Radeon 6950 is a bit cheaper than the Geforce 560 Ti too.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-1gb-vs-geforce-gtx-560-ti-review/11


use the Bad Company 2 benchmark to compare since BF3 is using the same engine, just improved since BC2 release
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
June 23 2011 02:58 GMT
#791
On June 23 2011 11:52 udgnim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 11:23 affinity_12 wrote:
What graphics card is better? The Radeon 6950 or Geforce 560 Ti? I'm planning to play this game on 1280*1024 high settings... do I even need these cards? Do you guys recommend the Radeon 5770 instead?

I just had a look and the Radeon 6950 > Geforce 560 Ti in terms of performance in Crysis 2. And the Radeon 6950 is a bit cheaper than the Geforce 560 Ti too.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-1gb-vs-geforce-gtx-560-ti-review/11


use the Bad Company 2 benchmark to compare since BF3 is using the same engine, just improved since BC2 release



It's a different engine all together isn't it?
Jswizzy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States791 Posts
June 23 2011 02:59 GMT
#792
On June 23 2011 11:58 Shelke14 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 11:52 udgnim wrote:
On June 23 2011 11:23 affinity_12 wrote:
What graphics card is better? The Radeon 6950 or Geforce 560 Ti? I'm planning to play this game on 1280*1024 high settings... do I even need these cards? Do you guys recommend the Radeon 5770 instead?

I just had a look and the Radeon 6950 > Geforce 560 Ti in terms of performance in Crysis 2. And the Radeon 6950 is a bit cheaper than the Geforce 560 Ti too.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-1gb-vs-geforce-gtx-560-ti-review/11


use the Bad Company 2 benchmark to compare since BF3 is using the same engine, just improved since BC2 release



It's a different engine all together isn't it?

It's the same base code just updated.
I always try to give a sensitive, reasoned answer. This is usually awkward, time consuming and pointless.
Perdac Curall
Profile Joined June 2011
242 Posts
June 23 2011 03:27 GMT
#793
On June 23 2011 11:27 Lumberchuk wrote:
Hey we should play Battlefield 2 again while we wait! Just found my CD key!


Lol I been playing bf2 again for the last month or so, that's how psyched I am and can't efffffffing wait for bf3. The problem with bf2 is no buddy system, which they fixed with 2142, and I am almost certain will be in bf3. I bought my copy of Medal of Honor to get in the beta for bf3 the day before they announced they were going to make it open beta lololol fml.

If a Black Death could spread throughout the world once in every generation, survivors could procreate freely without making the world too full. The state of affairs might be unpleasant, but what of it? -Sith Lord Bertrand Russell
brain_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States812 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 04:15:31
June 23 2011 04:03 GMT
#794
On June 23 2011 07:08 Razith wrote:
I stop noticing a difference after 60fps. Thats when things seem to be really fluid and not choppy at all. But the difference between 30fps and 60fps is like day and night to me. I can't play games unless I have at least 60fps.



I also need 60 fps to enjoy myself, though for hardcore FPS gaming in need 80+. Years of semi-competitive CS and CoD taught me to recognize framerate mostly through mouse responsiveness... I have backed off of the shooters in recent years, but there was a time where I could tell which "decade" (30s, 40s, 50s, etc) my FPS was in, every time, all the way up to 90fps.
heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 15:00:32
June 24 2011 14:56 GMT
#795
On June 23 2011 06:52 relic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 03:59 heishe wrote:
On June 23 2011 00:08 CaffeineFree-_- wrote:
Hm...30fps is low? I haven't played crysis 2 on console..can someone give me other examples of FPS that ran at 30fps?


30 frames per second is actually the threshold where the human eye is able to distinguish from a fluently running game and a game with spikes or slower framerate. So when you play a game and it starts spiking just very gradually, it slowly moves below 30FPS into the 20-30FPS region or below.

30-60 FPS is only noticable in moments with quick movements and commands, and above 60 FPS you generally can't notice the difference at all (meaning you won't be able to tell if it's running at 70 or 150 FPS).


You notice a huge amount of difference between playing at 70fps, and 150. It's the same with monitor refresh rates, and people say they notice no difference between 60 and 120, they obviously have either have no idea and never seen the two, or just have bad eyesight.

I feel sorry for people who think it's the norm to play at 60fps probably on a 60hz monitor, must be awful!


The human eye has a picture sampling rate of only 60Hz-65Hz. That's a physical limitation of the human eye that has nothing to do with better monitors.

If you see a difference then it's because the game keeps going below 60 FPS even if the average FPS is 70. If your game flip flops between 55 and 85 FPS during a second, you will see a difference from one second to another even though the average rate is 70FPS.

It's possible that your eye actually samples an image of your monitor while your monitor has just built half of it - but in that case you don't see spikes as with a game running at 15FPS, you will just experience something similar to ghosting in monitors.

And that can indeed get better with better monitors, but it's a noticably different effect from seeing a game run at low framerates imo.
If you value your soul, never look into the eye of a horse. Your soul will forever be lost in the void of the horse.
Oneoldfogie
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom61 Posts
July 08 2011 00:35 GMT
#796
[image loading]

Just saw this on Reddit. Looking good so far, although I'm not entirely sure on the Recon myself.

The Post: http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/ij55n/battlefield_3_what_the_classes_look_like/
Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 00:52:12
July 08 2011 00:49 GMT
#797
On June 24 2011 23:56 heishe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 06:52 relic wrote:
On June 23 2011 03:59 heishe wrote:
On June 23 2011 00:08 CaffeineFree-_- wrote:
Hm...30fps is low? I haven't played crysis 2 on console..can someone give me other examples of FPS that ran at 30fps?


30 frames per second is actually the threshold where the human eye is able to distinguish from a fluently running game and a game with spikes or slower framerate. So when you play a game and it starts spiking just very gradually, it slowly moves below 30FPS into the 20-30FPS region or below.

30-60 FPS is only noticable in moments with quick movements and commands, and above 60 FPS you generally can't notice the difference at all (meaning you won't be able to tell if it's running at 70 or 150 FPS).


You notice a huge amount of difference between playing at 70fps, and 150. It's the same with monitor refresh rates, and people say they notice no difference between 60 and 120, they obviously have either have no idea and never seen the two, or just have bad eyesight.

I feel sorry for people who think it's the norm to play at 60fps probably on a 60hz monitor, must be awful!


The human eye has a picture sampling rate of only 60Hz-65Hz. That's a physical limitation of the human eye that has nothing to do with better monitors.

If you see a difference then it's because the game keeps going below 60 FPS even if the average FPS is 70. If your game flip flops between 55 and 85 FPS during a second, you will see a difference from one second to another even though the average rate is 70FPS.

It's possible that your eye actually samples an image of your monitor while your monitor has just built half of it - but in that case you don't see spikes as with a game running at 15FPS, you will just experience something similar to ghosting in monitors.

And that can indeed get better with better monitors, but it's a noticably different effect from seeing a game run at low framerates imo.

The Air Force ran tests on their pilots that showed they can register in 200 fps and up
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
July 08 2011 00:53 GMT
#798
On July 08 2011 09:49 Body_Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2011 23:56 heishe wrote:
On June 23 2011 06:52 relic wrote:
On June 23 2011 03:59 heishe wrote:
On June 23 2011 00:08 CaffeineFree-_- wrote:
Hm...30fps is low? I haven't played crysis 2 on console..can someone give me other examples of FPS that ran at 30fps?


30 frames per second is actually the threshold where the human eye is able to distinguish from a fluently running game and a game with spikes or slower framerate. So when you play a game and it starts spiking just very gradually, it slowly moves below 30FPS into the 20-30FPS region or below.

30-60 FPS is only noticable in moments with quick movements and commands, and above 60 FPS you generally can't notice the difference at all (meaning you won't be able to tell if it's running at 70 or 150 FPS).


You notice a huge amount of difference between playing at 70fps, and 150. It's the same with monitor refresh rates, and people say they notice no difference between 60 and 120, they obviously have either have no idea and never seen the two, or just have bad eyesight.

I feel sorry for people who think it's the norm to play at 60fps probably on a 60hz monitor, must be awful!


The human eye has a picture sampling rate of only 60Hz-65Hz. That's a physical limitation of the human eye that has nothing to do with better monitors.

If you see a difference then it's because the game keeps going below 60 FPS even if the average FPS is 70. If your game flip flops between 55 and 85 FPS during a second, you will see a difference from one second to another even though the average rate is 70FPS.

It's possible that your eye actually samples an image of your monitor while your monitor has just built half of it - but in that case you don't see spikes as with a game running at 15FPS, you will just experience something similar to ghosting in monitors.

And that can indeed get better with better monitors, but it's a noticably different effect from seeing a game run at low framerates imo.

The Air Force ran tests on their pilots that showed they can register in 200 fps and up

Source please.
.Enigma.
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1461 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 00:57:22
July 08 2011 00:54 GMT
#799
My damn BC2 disc broke and I need my Battlefield fix, guess I'll be going back to BF2 to for a little while.
"Jupiters c*ck!" - Quintus Lentulus Batiatus
Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
July 08 2011 01:00 GMT
#800
On July 08 2011 09:53 RoosterSamurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2011 09:49 Body_Shield wrote:
On June 24 2011 23:56 heishe wrote:
On June 23 2011 06:52 relic wrote:
On June 23 2011 03:59 heishe wrote:
On June 23 2011 00:08 CaffeineFree-_- wrote:
Hm...30fps is low? I haven't played crysis 2 on console..can someone give me other examples of FPS that ran at 30fps?


30 frames per second is actually the threshold where the human eye is able to distinguish from a fluently running game and a game with spikes or slower framerate. So when you play a game and it starts spiking just very gradually, it slowly moves below 30FPS into the 20-30FPS region or below.

30-60 FPS is only noticable in moments with quick movements and commands, and above 60 FPS you generally can't notice the difference at all (meaning you won't be able to tell if it's running at 70 or 150 FPS).


You notice a huge amount of difference between playing at 70fps, and 150. It's the same with monitor refresh rates, and people say they notice no difference between 60 and 120, they obviously have either have no idea and never seen the two, or just have bad eyesight.

I feel sorry for people who think it's the norm to play at 60fps probably on a 60hz monitor, must be awful!


The human eye has a picture sampling rate of only 60Hz-65Hz. That's a physical limitation of the human eye that has nothing to do with better monitors.

If you see a difference then it's because the game keeps going below 60 FPS even if the average FPS is 70. If your game flip flops between 55 and 85 FPS during a second, you will see a difference from one second to another even though the average rate is 70FPS.

It's possible that your eye actually samples an image of your monitor while your monitor has just built half of it - but in that case you don't see spikes as with a game running at 15FPS, you will just experience something similar to ghosting in monitors.

And that can indeed get better with better monitors, but it's a noticably different effect from seeing a game run at low framerates imo.

The Air Force ran tests on their pilots that showed they can register in 200 fps and up

Source please.

http://whisper.ausgamers.com/wiki/index.php/How_many_FPS_human_eye_can_see

I am unsure where to find the test results of USAF pilot's visuals
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