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Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
January 15 2013 23:06 GMT
#5381
On January 16 2013 06:37 spinesheath wrote:
"cheap" is relative when you're talking something like 2 Thundermaw Hellkites and 4 Hellriders. RDW doesn't need to spend a lot of money on the manabase, but it still costs a bunch of money.
You don't need thundermaws if you are on a budget. Though most 4-0 daily and tournament RDW decks run thudermaws, you can build your deck around not having them. Though, the 4 hellriders is a must and that can still be pretty pricey.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-15 23:11:54
January 15 2013 23:10 GMT
#5382
Really hate hexproof mechanic so counterintuitive


Also on the topic of rdw I made a deck out of left overs and side deck options for roughly 18$ and gotten top 8s in 40man fnms
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
EMIYA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States433 Posts
January 16 2013 00:06 GMT
#5383
there goes invisible stalker cipher.

feels awesome
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
January 16 2013 00:38 GMT
#5384
The issue with hexproof is not that it exists, it's that they undercosted the creatures they stapled it to. I mean, Invisible Stalker is a pretty good creature in the right deck. They also stapled it to creatures that probably didn't need said protection (ie., Geist of Saint Traft)
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
January 16 2013 01:17 GMT
#5385
On January 16 2013 06:45 MoonBear wrote:

Also, Gruul Charm is such a weird. Take control of permanents you own, wut.


No, I can see that being useful. Cards like Switcheroo and shenanigans that involve stealing/trading permanents could either help you combo with the Charm or save you from an opponent who's doing it to you. Wish it didn't have green in the mana cost; I know it's supposed to be there because it's Gruul, but I want it put in a non-green deck of mine.
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
January 16 2013 02:05 GMT
#5386
Like if Geist had protection from black and protection from red, it would be fine or even shroud, but nope it has to be hexproof.

Anyways, Hexproof in itself is a bad mechanic to spread around, there are no other ways to balance one sided mechanics like that other than to either one-up it or to introduce these niche ass cards that need some retarded shit stapled on it to make it less niche.
Get it by your hands...
f0x1
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland17 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 05:44:11
January 16 2013 05:41 GMT
#5387
Yeah, maybe i was a bit unclear when i asked. I meant to ask that what would be the cheapest competively viable deck and the price of RDW is not too high for my budget.(without the thundermaws) So thanks for the help!
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
January 16 2013 05:55 GMT
#5388
Hexproof is a stupid mechanic. It was fine on troll when it wasn't keyworded and somewhat unique but became stupid when it became the default and replaced everything that would've been shroud otherwise
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
January 16 2013 06:28 GMT
#5389
It's not that awful, even on Thrun, the Last Troll, it was just okay. But you'd be stupid to not acknowledge the huge influence Geist of St. Traft has had on the last two Standard environments that he and his angel have been in. It's also sort of repressive in a design sense, if you consider that Geist as he is is so much better than if he was a 3/3 First Strike without Hexproof, it's sort of bizarre.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
January 17 2013 00:55 GMT
#5390
What's your thoughts on br zombies post gatecrash?
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
January 17 2013 01:16 GMT
#5391
On January 17 2013 09:55 NotSorry wrote:
What's your thoughts on br zombies post gatecrash?

Going to lose to BRW - cackler, fencing ace, crawler all are excellent - and then the boros charm hits and BAM
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EMIYA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States433 Posts
January 17 2013 03:33 GMT
#5392
what would you guys choose?

http://i.imgur.com/CqsIJ.jpg

stab wound seems weird to splash in, and maybe street spasm is the wrong choice here..and i'd love to have a cancel but i can use rootborn over that i suppose.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
January 17 2013 03:36 GMT
#5393
My bad meant brw zombies debating if its worth keepin the zombie pack or if there is going to be good enough options to drop them
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 03:49:15
January 17 2013 03:45 GMT
#5394
On January 17 2013 12:33 EMIYA wrote:
what would you guys choose?

http://i.imgur.com/CqsIJ.jpg

stab wound seems weird to splash in, and maybe street spasm is the wrong choice here..and i'd love to have a cancel but i can use rootborn over that i suppose.


Oof. Geez, this is why I hate Ravnica drafts, there's like no remorse when it comes to mana.

EDIT: You absolutely can not play the Cancel without addressing the fact that you'd be playing an RR, WW and UU card at 3. dooontttt dooo itttttt
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
EMIYA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States433 Posts
January 17 2013 04:15 GMT
#5395
lost first match to cyclonic rift, then we stalemated for like 10 turns until i drew a mountain, slammed teleportal, and i ended up boarding in cancel for his rift, he plays it and i cancel--only to get izzet charmed in response, but luckily i had 2 untapped mana. score.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
January 17 2013 14:26 GMT
#5396
http://www.twitch.tv/thecrayonbox

I made a bunch of vids today with me drafting RTR 8-4. If you like to watch noobs get raped then give it a try!

I am the noob in all of these videos btw I feel like I'm ok at drafting but I suck at playing and I suck at using MTGO.
floi
Profile Joined July 2010
203 Posts
January 17 2013 14:30 GMT
#5397
any of you guys into classic pauper?
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 16:06:34
January 17 2013 16:04 GMT
#5398
I don't think it's really possible for an aggro deck to run something that doesn't contain R/W anymore, they're just gonna lose to other aggro decks that have Spark Trooper in the main/side. I don't see how that card is just beatable in any kind of race.

For those who don't know:

[image loading]


Unexpected results looks like an amazing commander card <3

Also, I do play pauper, I have a WW deck but haven't updated it since M13 so I'd have to go back through the commons. Might consider stuff like Attended Knight.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
January 17 2013 17:07 GMT
#5399
You mean War Falcon for WW pauper, makes that deck so much more aggressive.

Not sure why you think Spark Trooper is a commander card.

As for Spark Trooper, it's still 1 toughness so it not a total wash.
Get it by your hands...
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 17:39:47
January 17 2013 17:37 GMT
#5400
On January 18 2013 02:07 Judicator wrote:
You mean War Falcon for WW pauper, makes that deck so much more aggressive.

Not sure why you think Spark Trooper is a commander card.

As for Spark Trooper, it's still 1 toughness so it not a total wash.


It's not a commander card, Unexpected Results is. Spark Trooper is a card that breaks aggro mirrors. May force red decks to start running Geistflame at least in the sideboard.

War Falcon is something that I'm never going to play because there's way too many X/1 removal spells in the format and you have no card advantage so you lose to getting 1 for 1'd by control decks all the time.
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