EPTLets Play Crack the Case - Page 12
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Patrio
Norway706 Posts
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Pensivesoul
United States23 Posts
I think when Brutus first inspected the stamp, he either, pasted over the rare Z-grill stamp with a more commonplace F-grill stamp (saliva would do the trick, or he just slightly modified the Z-grill stamp with a pencil?...that seems more invalid, considering the expert examines it again and should notice the use of a marker or a pencil or so? Either way, Brutus modifies/pastes over the Z grill stamp and now hands off a very similar stamp to the rest of the bidders, who mistake it to be the Z-grill considering its likeness with the F-grill (if it was pasted over) or they see a Z-grill stamp (if modified). When the price hits a million, he re-examines it, causes a huge uproar, everyone is frisked away. The stamp is in its original case the entire time, while everyone and everything is searched and hence, the stamp is not found. Then, Brutus bids on the F-grill stamp at some later point, or just pays a much smaller sum for a much costlier stamp. I got the idea for P.J. Etherton's statement, "A collector will pay a pretty price for it, even if he can never show it off in public." I guess he (Brutus) knows he has it, even though its been pasted over by the F-grill stamp/permenantly modified, and that's enough for him? Is this what happened? - You can just answer yes or no, if I'm the slightest bit off  | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
Did Brutus switch the stamps between the time where the inspector inspected the stamp first and the first bidder inspection? Did Brutus switch the stamps 2 times? Did Brutus switch the stamps after the inspector inspected it the second time? After the inspector inspected the stamp the second time, was the stamp later bidded on? | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
"Is there anything else in the library of relevance besides books, a magnifying glass..... and I guess a table? or is it irrelevant? Yes there is. Were there more than 2 stamps involved? Yes. Was the stamp in the room when everyone was frisked? No." | ||
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Pensivesoul
United States23 Posts
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Terranlisk
Singapore1404 Posts
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Terranlisk
Singapore1404 Posts
Did Brutus forge more than just a stamp? Did Brutus paste a stamp over another? Did Brutus steal the original Z grill the first time he inspected it and passed around a fake Z grill? Was the stamp carried out of the library by Brutus? Does the location being a library have anything to do with it? | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
WAIT IS BRUTUS THE WORLD'S FOREMOST INSPECTOR? | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
Did anyone else look at the stamp to see if it was a Z grill in between Brutus's two inspections of the stamp? Did Brutus tamper or switch the stamp when he inspected the stamp the second time? Did Brutus ever leave the room between his two inspections? Did the investigators find any other stamps in their thorough search? | ||
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Pensivesoul
United States23 Posts
So I think its pretty clear that the switch happened the first time. Since inspections are conducted privately, I say he very easily switch-a-roo'ed the stamps out the first time, and made a disguising mark on the the F-grill stamp to make it look like a Z-grill. Next, he stashed the stamp in the inspection room. This should be the only obvious place considering it wasn't in the room when everyone was being frisked and it was already switched out during Brutus' first inspection. I am assuming everyone was searched extremely efficiently and hence, is not on any person, knowingly or unknowingly. However, there could be a huge time gap during the time he inspected the stamp/made the switch and before the bidding began. Is it possible that Brutus wandered off and stashed the stamp somewhere else in the library? All bidders examining the stamp after Brutus would not have known the difference considering they are not the world's foremost experts. Later, during his "re-inspection" when the price hit a million, he erased the mark/just re-inspected it. He causes the uproar, after which, he retrieves the stamp from the inspection room after some time. I'm sure every public library has a copy of pictures of these really rare stamps...could it have been pasted/stashed somewhere there? I dont mean a book, just an exhibit or such? That would satisfy the requirement of something else relevant in the library and that of there being more than 2 stamps. I do remember him answering the question of more than 2 stamps the first time saying, "yes, but it would confuse you." Also, the question asked previously was whether the stamp was stashed in a book (specifically) for Brutus to pick up later - to which the answer was no. So it boils down to what was in the library that could hide the stamp? Other than a book or table? Any mistakes with this line of reasoning? Any other thoughts lac? Or anyone else? | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On July 13 2010 01:35 Pensivesoul wrote: Hm...ok...this is just a head clearing thought...no questions being asked. So I think its pretty clear that the switch happened the first time. Since inspections are conducted privately, I say he very easily switch-a-roo'ed the stamps out the first time, and made a disguising mark on the the F-grill stamp to make it look like a Z-grill. Next, he stashed the stamp in the inspection room. This should be the only obvious place considering it wasn't in the room when everyone was being frisked and it was already switched out during Brutus' first inspection. I am assuming everyone was searched extremely efficiently and hence, is not on any person, knowingly or unknowingly. However, there could be a huge time gap during the time he inspected the stamp/made the switch and before the bidding began. Is it possible that Brutus wandered off and stashed the stamp somewhere else in the library? All bidders examining the stamp after Brutus would not have known the difference considering they are not the world's foremost experts. Later, during his "re-inspection" when the price hit a million, he erased the mark/just re-inspected it. He causes the uproar, after which, he retrieves the stamp from the inspection room after some time. I'm sure every public library has a copy of pictures of these really rare stamps...could it have been pasted/stashed somewhere there? I dont mean a book, just an exhibit or such? That would satisfy the requirement of something else relevant in the library and that of there being more than 2 stamps. I do remember him answering the question of more than 2 stamps the first time saying, "yes, but it would confuse you." Also, the question asked previously was whether the stamp was stashed in a book for Brutus to pick up later. So it boils down to what was in the library that could hide the stamp? Other than a book or table? Any mistakes with this line of reasoning? Any other thoughts lac? Or anyone else? If Brutus was the world's foremost inspector it's possible he just lied. | ||
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Misder
United States1557 Posts
Did Brutus want to sell the Z grill if he got away with his crime? | ||
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
Am I going to be like 'oh duh' when we find out the answer? | ||
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USn
United States376 Posts
On July 13 2010 01:26 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Was the F-grill in Brutus' possession before the switch was made? WAIT IS BRUTUS THE WORLD'S FOREMOST INSPECTOR? I'm certain brutus is not the world's foremost expert, if that's what you mean. Recall that we've been told the expert did NOT switch the stamp, but that brutus DID. | ||
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ElyAs
France205 Posts
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
No Does everyone inspect the stamp in public, or do they do it in private? Semi-private (they are still in the library) Did Brutus make the switch the first time he got the stamp? Yes Is this what happened? (PensiveSoul's) No not at all right. Did Brutus forge a fake Z grill? Yes Did Brutus forge more than just a stamp? No Did Brutus paste a stamp over another? No Did Brutus steal the original Z grill the first time he inspected it and passed around a fake Z grill? Yes (I'm considering the F-grill a fake Z-grill too since he fools people into thinking it's a Z-grill for a while) Was the stamp carried out of the library by Brutus? No Does the location being a library have anything to do with it? Not really, it could be a very, very slight hint Was the F-grill in Brutus' possession before the switch was made? Yes IS BRUTUS THE WORLD'S FOREMOST INSPECTOR?[/QUOTE] No | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
Did anyone else look at the stamp to see if it was a Z grill in between Brutus's two inspections of the stamp? I don't know, if they did they didn't notice Did Brutus tamper or switch the stamp when he inspected the stamp the second time? No Did Brutus ever leave the room between his two inspections? No Did the investigators find any other stamps in their thorough search? No Did Brutus have the stamp when no one was looking before the bidding? During the bidding? After the bidding? Yes, no, no Did Brutus want to sell the Z grill if he got away with his crime? No Did Brutus destroy the Z grill stamp ? Yes | ||
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Brazen[six]
Canada203 Posts
Are Brutus and PJ feuding over something that occurred in the past? Did Brutus commit this crime as "revenge" for something that happened in the past with PJ? | ||
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Seth_
Belgium184 Posts
Oh he destroyed the Z grill. Did he eat it? probably not relevant but it helps me visualize it I don't get why though, insurance money doesn't have anything to do with it. And we still know there are more than 2 stamps involved. Does something happen with the third stamp during your story? Does Brutus have the third stamp with him? Is the Z-grill really one of a kind? I'm thinking he destroyed it to make his own Z grill stamp more valuable. | ||
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tissue
Malaysia441 Posts
"I know Brutus stole it," P.J. Etherton growled. "He's a known thief and forger. A collector will pay a pretty price for it, even if he can never show it off in public." Brutus destroyed the valuable stamp to publicize a case of grand larceny, since it's unreasonable to think something worth a million dollars would be destroyed rather than stolen. This is the only reason he would expose the switch in the first place. Regarding Brutus' plans after the incident, he probably planned to forge a number of 'unique' Z-grills and sell them privately to collectors who knew about the theft, knowing that even if they somehow discovered it was a forgery they would be loath to denounce him knowing that they would have to admit purchasing stolen goods. The last line hints at this, so we don't have to imagine another motive for Brutus other than financial gain. A collector who saw the bidding rise to a million dollars wouldn't mind paying half a million for the one-of-a-kind stamp, even if it was stolen. Perhaps this answers the multiple stamps question? | ||
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