Attention WoW players! - Page 19

On March 10 2010 07:07 Groslouser wrote:
So im finally settled here (Québec) and i'm looking for a us version of wow.

The stores i've found only sell eu version of the game (looks like most people here play on the french servers) and battle.net dont want to accept my visa card. So basically i'm screwed.

So is there a Québequois who could tell me where to find that in the city please?

On March 06 2010 14:01 Niton wrote:


I used to raid with a bunch of people who met that criteria, and i've tanked Sunwell, Lol80Naxx/Maly/Sarth, and Ulduar (including Yogg+0) when they were the 'progression' content. Originally a lot of them believed that the newer content wasn't as hard as it used to be, through M'uru changed a few peoples' minds, and by the end of Ulduar, most of them agreed that the newer content was much tighter tuned than C'thun/Naxx. As I had it put to me once, "I used to hate 25-mans, but really, they're just 40-mans except without the 15 idiots we used to carry". Back in Naxx, you could literally kill a boss with a group of players dead in the corner if you had to - there's no way you could 22-man the 'hard-mode' bosses of today for your first kill.

A big part of the change is that there is a larger percentage of the playerbase who simply "gets" how to play their class. I hear tales from all of the people I know who raided in early vanilla about their retarded players - the ones who were relegated to out of combat rez duty, or died 5 times on one C'thun kill, or simply couldn't figure out how to not dispel themselves on a fight like Grobbulus. These players would never cut it in today's raiding environment.

Yogg is the most technical fight i've ever done.. but he's not the hardest. He was all about perfect organization, with any sort of variance among the 12 or so "important" players causing a wipe. Once we had our strategy down and people knew how they had to go about things though, we killed him fairly comfortably, nerves aside. Tanking that fight was ridiculous, and i'd really love to see fights where DPS are challenged in that way.

The hardest fight i've ever done without a doubt was M'uru v1.1, the version without spell pushback. That fight, if anyone died and they weren't up within 5 seconds, you wiped unless you were 80 seconds into Phase 2 already. The coordination required was decently behind what Yogg's was, but still quite heavy, and the benchmarks for every single player in the raid were incredibly high.

By all accounts i've heard, C'thun was not particularly difficult once you knew the fight - the same people would always die to the same things, but you'd kill him anyways once he was on farm. Until M'uru got nerfed, he required near-perfect play out of your entire raid every week. I really think WoW has made great strides forward in raw encounter difficulty, but I don't think they could legitimately design another fight at his level because of the sheer optimization required to beat him.

On March 10 2010 07:07 Groslouser wrote:
So im finally settled here (Québec) and i'm looking for a us version of wow.

The stores i've found only sell eu version of the game (looks like most people here play on the french servers) and battle.net dont want to accept my visa card. So basically i'm screwed.

So is there a Québequois who could tell me where to find that in the city please?

On March 13 2010 06:08 iSiN wrote:
stop talking about this vanilla/tbc/wotlk raiding is better shit god damn it's making my head hurt it's over shut up already it derailed this thread so hard -______-

On the other hand everyone should play with us ^.^

On March 13 2010 04:58 Jayme wrote:


No fight is particularly difficult once you know the fight. Mu'ru 1.1 was retarded in the fact that no amount of gear you gained from killing him actually helped you kill him the week later. The dps requirement was so tight that on several occasions you could wipe because one or two of your rogues were having bad luck critting. Mu'ru was a boss you could have a perfect performance from every raid member and STILL wipe to, even if you've killed him 4-5 weeks in a row. He was fun no doubt, but his tuning was whacked out.

Gothik was one of the most complex and difficult fights in this game, it ranks in the same area of C'thun...BUT it was rather easy once you knew the fight. Yogg I found to be like every other fight in this game. You pick your 15 *good* people and they do the shit that's actually important while everyone else spams something else.

Healing took actual thought in TBC/Vanilla. The increase in mana regen and buffs and the subsequent removal of downranking absolutely killed healing for me. I played a Priest from beta until I quit April 2009. That Priest has seen World 2nds on several occasions in Naxx 60 (Lolatheb being my favorite -.- You don't know consumable farming until you've done that one) and I really really enjoyed healing back then. I had to watch my mana, dance the 5sr, and use the appropriate heal for the situation or risk being very wasteful.

Blizzard started to piss me off when they messed with CoH. It was perfectly fine being contained in the group and every priest and their mother knew that making it jump party lines would over power the hell out of it. So what does blizzard do...make it jump party lines. Then they nerfed priests and then buffed them somewhat and then nerfed them again and BLAH BLAH BLAH.

It was a damn mess. Then they removed downranking and that was the beginning of the end of my WoW experience. Fights that used to take thought now were just relegated to 1 button spam fests. I didn't roll a DPS class for that EXACT reason and then they went and made healing completely and totally mindless.

Now most raid encounters don't even require any intuitive movement by the majority of the raid. Everyone can sit still for a grand majority of them (besides the occasional lol ice shards on the head) and just spam away.

That's all WoW is now. They make the enrage timers tight or they make you do the fight inefficiently to make it "hard" and then attempt to reward you for it...then someone who turns in some heroic badges gets just about the same thing because numbers are so damn high now that that 40 healing difference or whatever is negligible now.

Mana doesn't matter anymore and WoW healing is more like played FF10...where any hard boss just immediately one shots your tank on multiple lol occasions...and that's taken as hard.

I do not regret quitting. A lot of old school razor edge tier raiders don't regret quitting either. I miss the days where you actually had to brain storm outside of the game on how to beat a boss because the immediate answer just isn't there. WoW bosses just aren't intuitive anymore...that and testing is the whole instance nowadays.

I didn't mind the drop from 40-25 much but man did they destroy the metagame to go more casual friendly.