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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
November 06 2009 20:22 GMT
#461
12... Rc8

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I would like the Queen to watch over d6 in this position since it prevents white's attack against Black's weakest point. For that reason. The Rook support of the C pawn is superior.
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jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
November 07 2009 07:23 GMT
#462
@ altair
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are you serious? with the c5-d6-e5 pawn chain, and white having no real way to break it down, how can you not see how greatly limited white's dark square bishop is, when compared to black's opposing knight?
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-07 14:30:07
November 07 2009 14:20 GMT
#463
Q-d8-c8.

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Seems to make sense at first glance (little more than that) clears the D file for your rooks and puts pressure on the weak c-pawn. It happens to be very difficult to defend.
Second glance: e4, Q-a6, Q-e2 works nicely. But it's not like planning to push the centre is right for black yet. I'd sit back and prepare slightly more while keeping 3 pieces locked up with the C pawn. (Bishop can't get a decent square either with the knight tied down.)
Third glance: e4 Qb7! Qe2 Qc6! a pawn I think.
Fourth glance: Oh damn!, based on the last page somebody probably posted analysis on Qc8 already =[ Appears they missed (or i missed something too) the Qb7 line perhaps.
Although: e4 Qb7 R-e1 Q-c6 R-b4?! might work.
Then R-e8, e5, Ra-d8 being the next moves perhaps?

Vekzel
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Poland142 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-07 14:26:31
November 07 2009 14:25 GMT
#464
OK Guys, right now Qc8 has only 2 vote advantage over c5. Time to make your mind!
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Altair
Profile Joined August 2009
243 Posts
November 07 2009 16:22 GMT
#465
On November 07 2009 16:23 jfazz wrote:
@ altair
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are you serious? with the c5-d6-e5 pawn chain, and white having no real way to break it down, how can you not see how greatly limited white's dark square bishop is, when compared to black's opposing knight?

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You mean the a5 knight, on the side of the board? Sorry but that bishop seems ok to me.
No need to explain further though lets just see how this plays out.

Arbiter[frolix]
Profile Joined January 2004
United Kingdom2674 Posts
November 07 2009 16:58 GMT
#466
I vote Qc8.
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Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
November 07 2009 23:35 GMT
#467
I vote for: ... Qd8-c8
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After reading the analysis, I concur that this is a slightly stronger move than c5, I am still not feeling too hot about our a-file though. c5 will happen anyways, unless Vezkel intends to surprise us all.
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l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
November 08 2009 00:15 GMT
#468
Qd8-c8
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Vekzel
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Poland142 Posts
November 08 2009 08:25 GMT
#469
Hello, hello! New Move!
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Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-08 08:50:53
November 08 2009 08:43 GMT
#470
QA6

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This was my original idea with QD7, to eventually move to C6 and threaten the C4 pawn. However the pesky d pawn could cause problems to this variation. Since we played C8, its only natural to move the Queen to the attacking square on A6. From here we she can threaten the C4 pawn without any chance of retaliation. There's no rush to play C5 as we can always play it next turn. Things are going to get bloody soon, and I think we should come out of the exchange up material.
jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
November 08 2009 09:56 GMT
#471
interesting, our options:

13...e5
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14. e4 exd4 15. cxd4 Nc6 16. d5 Nd4 with a small edge for black. White's centre is locked and Black has a nice knight, Black has permanent pressure against c4.


13...c5
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14. Bb2 Qc7 15. e4 Rac8 16. Rfc1 Nc6 with a noticable edge for Black IMO. Black has massive central control and can slowly up the pressure on White. Its very difficult for white to do anything active in the position


13...Qa6
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14. Qd3 c5 15. Rb5 Qc8 16. e4 cxd4 17. cxd4 Nc6 with a tiny edge to Black. However, white does get a mobile pawn centre and his dark squae bishop can come to life. For that reason, I dont like it.


13...Re8
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14. e4 e5 15. Bb2 Qe6 16. d5 Qg4 with a tiny advantage for Black. The move 15...c5 may be an improvement for Black however, leading to 15...c5 16. d5 Qg4, but im not sure. Overall, a pretty useless line


13...Nd7?!
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14. Ba3 c5 15. e4 Re8 16. Rfe1 e5 and black looks really solid.


afterr all that, im going to go with the intended move following 12...Qc8, and that is 13...c5!
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iloveambiguity
Profile Joined August 2009
United States81 Posts
November 08 2009 15:28 GMT
#472
c5 here
Syntax Lost
Profile Joined May 2009
Finland86 Posts
November 08 2009 21:34 GMT
#473
I vote 13...c5
l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
November 09 2009 01:26 GMT
#474
c5 ofc
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unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-09 13:34:16
November 09 2009 10:26 GMT
#475
13...c7-c5
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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4732 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-09 12:15:33
November 09 2009 12:15 GMT
#476
13... c7 - c5
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cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
November 09 2009 13:40 GMT
#477
On November 08 2009 18:56 jfazz wrote:
interesting, our options:

13...c5
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14. Bb2 Qc7 15. e4 Rac8 16. Rfc1 Nc6 with a noticable edge for Black IMO. Black has massive central control and can slowly up the pressure on White. Its very difficult for white to do anything active in the position




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What is the point of 14. Bb2? Doesn't make sense for me.
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anImaru
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States106 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-09 19:45:54
November 09 2009 19:19 GMT
#478
I vote 13...e7-e5
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Jfrazz the lines you give for our options aren't really convincing. In the c5 line, 14...Qc7 is essentially admitting Qc8 was a mistake and a waste of tempo. Also 14. e4 seems to be a better response than Bb2. Well then we can just do 14...e5 which is just a different move order of the 13...e5 14. e4 c5 line. I guess I just really like e5
But since the entire purpose of Qc8 was to make additional preparations for c5 even though it wasn't necessary, might as well make the follow-up move. E5 probably deserves more consideration though. In fact the line you give for e5 isn't good for black at all. White gets much more space and central control than we get from our knight in the closed position and the small weakness on c4 which we cant really attack. 14...c5 is a much better response than exd4.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
November 09 2009 19:23 GMT
#479
On November 09 2009 22:40 cascades wrote:
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What is the point of 14. Bb2? Doesn't make sense for me.

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The bishop is exerting some influence on the center after pawn exchanges.
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jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
November 09 2009 22:29 GMT
#480
Motbob is correct, basically, its a strong square, and after the following, it would be a monster:
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Black exchanges ...cxd4, white recaptures cxd4 and then plays d5 ASAP - now he has a big centre, akin to the gruenfeld, with a monster bishop, but we have no opposition to it. He can even start to force attacking lines in this variation (his light square bishop will relocate obv.)
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