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we've been eying that move for long, and this seems the most opportune time for it. e5 is tempting, but at this point we can limit his offensive options while retaining a beautiful position.
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Kazius
Israel1456 Posts
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On November 10 2009 07:29 jfazz wrote: Motbob is correct, basically, its a strong square, and after the following, it would be a monster: + Show Spoiler + Black exchanges ...cxd4, white recaptures cxd4 and then plays d5 ASAP - now he has a big centre, akin to the gruenfeld, with a monster bishop, but we have no opposition to it. He can even start to force attacking lines in this variation (his light square bishop will relocate obv.) + Show Spoiler + Thing is, in that variation, why would Black exchange cxd4? Much better to let white dxc5 and then recapture, which causes a block to his doubled c pawns and the Bb2 bishop. | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
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United States2186 Posts
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Vekzel
Poland142 Posts
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
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jfazz
Australia672 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 15. dxc5 Qxc5 16. cxd5 Nxd5 17. Ne4 Qc4 18. Ng5 g6 19. Ne4 f5 20. Nd6 Qxc3 21. Qxc3 Nxc3 22. Bh6 Rfd8 and black has a clearly dominant position; the line might not play out exactly like that, but seriously, WTF is white supposed to do? | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + what about 15. Ba3 Rd8 16 dxc5 voting for 14. ... Qc6 + Show Spoiler + I think we ought to play slowly 14. ... h6 14. ... Re8 14. ... Qa6 all work for me | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
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jfazz
Australia672 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 15...dxc4 16. dxc5 Rd8 17. cxb6 axb6 18. e4 Qc7 19. Rfd1 Rd3 20. Bb4 Nb7 and black is winning. Black also has 15...Nxc4 16. Nxc4 dxc4 17. dxc5 Nd5 18. Kf2 with equality as for 15. Ba3 Rd8 16. dxc5 isn't black alright after 16...dxc4 17. e4 Rd3? | ||
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anImaru
United States106 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + d5 is just bad 15. Ba3 dxc4 16. dxc5 Rd8 17. e4 and i fail to see Black's advantage anymore | ||
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oo_xerox
United States852 Posts
--power overwhelming-- ... | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On November 11 2009 13:30 jfazz wrote: @ TanGeng, and for anyone worried about the line 14...d5 15. Ba3 + Show Spoiler + 15...dxc4 16. dxc5 Rd8 17. cxb6 axb6 18. e4 Qc7 19. Rfd1 Rd3 20. Bb4 Nb7 and black is winning. Black also has 15...Nxc4 16. Nxc4 dxc4 17. dxc5 Nd5 18. Kf2 with equality as for 15. Ba3 Rd8 16. dxc5 isn't black alright after 16...dxc4 17. e4 Rd3? + Show Spoiler + ahhh that looks a stronger response for black. Nice one 15...dxc4 16. dxc5 Rd8 but here white should play 17. e4 with 17. ... bxc5 18. Rb5 response to the pawn grab. It looks very complicated and now black has to defend a6 - probably with Qc6. It's not clear to me that we (black) have an advantage then. Ahhh it's the same as the other line except with 17. ... Rd3 15. Ba3 Rd8 16. dxc5 dxc4 17. e4 Rd3 -- then -- 18. Bb4 Qa6 19 Bxa5 Qxa5 20 cxb6 after that it could go two ways 20. ... Rxc3 21 b7 Rb8 or 20. ... axb6 21 Rb4 I would have to say that the position slightly favors white since black's knight is positioned away on the the kingside. I guess what I am saying is that I expect any line that we play to keep the advantage that we current have and not bring it to equality. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On November 11 2009 14:26 TanGeng wrote: + Show Spoiler + ahhh that looks a stronger response for black. Nice one 15...dxc4 16. dxc5 Rd8 but here white should play 17. e4 with 17. ... bxc5 18. Rb5 response to the pawn grab. It looks very complicated and now black has to defend a6 - probably with Qc6. It's not clear to me that we (black) have an advantage then. Ahhh it's the same as the other line except with 17. ... Rd3 15. Ba3 Rd8 16. dxc5 dxc4 17. e4 Rd3 -- then -- 18. Bb4 Qa6 19 Bxa5 Qxa5 20 cxb6 after that it could go two ways 20. ... Rxc3 21 b7 Rb8 or 20. ... axb6 21 Rb4 I would have to say that the position slightly favors white since black's knight is positioned away on the the kingside. I guess what I am saying is that I expect any line that we play to keep the advantage that we current have and not bring it to equality. + Show Spoiler + 15...dxc4 16. dxc5 Rd8 17. cxb6 axb6 18. Rxb6 and white is up a pawn and winning. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On November 11 2009 14:51 cascades wrote: + Show Spoiler + 15...dxc4 16. dxc5 Rd8 17. cxb6 axb6 18. Rxb6 and white is up a pawn and winning. + Show Spoiler + Can't take. Look at Nd5. There's a reason for playing e4 first. | ||
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jfazz
Australia672 Posts
Actually, yes I am convinced by your deeper analysis TanGeng. I would like to change my vote to 14...Qc6. thanks. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On November 11 2009 15:03 TanGeng wrote: + Show Spoiler + Can't take. Look at Nd5. There's a reason for playing e4 first. + Show Spoiler + Duh. Was trying to find a way to exploit Nd5 - Nf4 vulnerability. Guess I didn't manage to connect the dots here. | ||
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Finland86 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4728 Posts
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Vekzel
Poland142 Posts
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