we've been eying that move for long, and this seems the most opportune time for it. e5 is tempting, but at this point we can limit his offensive options while retaining a beautiful position.

cascades

Singapore6122 Posts

November 10 2009 06:18 GMT

#482

On November 10 2009 07:29 jfazz wrote:
Motbob is correct, basically, its a strong square, and after the following, it would be a monster:
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Black exchanges ...cxd4, white recaptures cxd4 and then plays d5 ASAP - now he has a big centre, akin to the gruenfeld, with a monster bishop, but we have no opposition to it. He can even start to force attacking lines in this variation (his light square bishop will relocate obv.)

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Thing is, in that variation, why would Black exchange cxd4? Much better to let white dxc5 and then recapture, which causes a block to his doubled c pawns and the Bb2 bishop.

Sinedd

Poland7052 Posts

November 10 2009 06:39 GMT

#483

yup my vote also for c7-c5 ;}

Ver

United States2186 Posts

November 10 2009 06:49 GMT

#484

13. c5

Vekzel

Poland142 Posts

November 10 2009 09:28 GMT

#485

OK Guys, I Made My Choice. GO!

Athos

United States2484 Posts

November 10 2009 09:34 GMT

#486

RE8

jfazz

Australia672 Posts

November 10 2009 12:13 GMT

#487

14...d5

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15. dxc5 Qxc5 16. cxd5 Nxd5 17. Ne4 Qc4 18. Ng5 g6 19. Ne4 f5 20. Nd6 Qxc3 21. Qxc3 Nxc3 22. Bh6 Rfd8 and black has a clearly dominant position;

the line might not play out exactly like that, but seriously, WTF is white supposed to do?

TanGeng

Sanya12364 Posts

November 11 2009 01:24 GMT

#488

hey I don't like 14... d5
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what about 15. Ba3 Rd8 16 dxc5

voting for
14. ... Qc6
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I think we ought to play slowly
14. ... h6
14. ... Re8
14. ... Qa6
all work for me

suki

Canada1159 Posts

November 11 2009 01:35 GMT

#489

Is there a way to somehow use an applet or something to play all the moves from the beginning to the end for someone who isn't familiar with chess notation? I know how to play the game and I'd love to be able to see the game move-by-move, but I lack the knowledge to, for example, take an actual chess board and move the pieces myself.

jfazz

Australia672 Posts

November 11 2009 04:30 GMT

#490

@ TanGeng, and for anyone worried about the line 14...d5 15. Ba3

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15...dxc4 16. dxc5 Rd8 17. cxb6 axb6 18. e4 Qc7 19. Rfd1 Rd3 20. Bb4 Nb7 and black is winning.

Black also has 15...Nxc4 16. Nxc4 dxc4 17. dxc5 Nd5 18. Kf2 with equality

as for 15. Ba3 Rd8 16. dxc5 isn't black alright after 16...dxc4 17. e4 Rd3?

anImaru

United States106 Posts

November 11 2009 04:43 GMT

#491

I vote 14...Qc6
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d5 is just bad
15. Ba3 dxc4 16. dxc5 Rd8 17. e4 and i fail to see Black's advantage anymore

oo_xerox

United States852 Posts

November 11 2009 04:59 GMT

#492

can we use cheats?

--power overwhelming--

...

TanGeng

Sanya12364 Posts

November 11 2009 05:26 GMT

#493

On November 11 2009 13:30 jfazz wrote:
@ TanGeng, and for anyone worried about the line 14...d5 15. Ba3

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ahhh that looks a stronger response for black. Nice one
15...dxc4 16. dxc5 Rd8
but here white should play 17. e4
with 17. ... bxc5 18. Rb5 response to the pawn grab.

It looks very complicated and now black has to defend a6 - probably with Qc6. It's not clear to me that we (black) have an advantage then.

Ahhh it's the same as the other line except with 17. ... Rd3
15. Ba3 Rd8 16. dxc5 dxc4 17. e4 Rd3 --
then
-- 18. Bb4 Qa6 19 Bxa5 Qxa5 20 cxb6
after that it could go two ways
20. ... Rxc3 21 b7 Rb8
or
20. ... axb6 21 Rb4

I would have to say that the position slightly favors white since black's knight is positioned away on the the kingside. I guess what I am saying is that I expect any line that we play to keep the advantage that we current have and not bring it to equality.