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KwarK
United States43980 Posts
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bahhh
United States888 Posts
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On March 28 2008 06:47 Too_MuchZerg wrote: So OGN twin zergs sucks nowdays? I would thought that OGN would be little bit higher I think this is about potential of new players or players on the rise. The zerg twins are already very skilled, especially Luxury who had a good run in the OSL. I do not agree with the Sparkyz placement at all. Sure, Chalrenge will most likely not become a 'reliable' ace in his career, even though he sometimes win important matches because of throughly prepared strategies. But he's not bad, and he won't slump anytime soon. His attitude doesn't allow him to. As for go.go - he has been kickass recently, even though I'm disturbed by his looks, I cannot deny his results. And he is improving by every game he plays. I do not believe Leta is as bad as you make out either, sure, he was quite abysmal in his first matches but if you look at his recent results, totally owning up the minor league AND winning against players such as Ruby in the derby. Even though he lost to Shark, he played extremely powerful early on and got a good advantage, yet his lack of experience helped Shark with a comeback. I believe Leta might become one of the best terrans in time. And you totally forgot about Spear? Shame on you! Even though we haven't seen many matches of him (long break between 2006 and 2007) until a while ago when he raped through a very difficult OSL offline qualifiers and a killer OSC Group. He didn't just rape Iris and GoRush, he did it with style. He's probably going to get a chance to prove himself in next proleague season. And Flower/Justin in 2v2 hasn't been exactly bad either. Although it is slightly alarming they only picked up two younglings during the last draft. Maybe they want quality over quantity. But overall I believe it is almost impossible to make accurate predictions without actually having connections to the proteams. We can only see their play and results in televised matches and qualifiers. We do not know how they perform in practise sessions and the coaches usually do not like to hype a young player who hasn't proven anything yet because of the pressure. | ||
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Uraeus
France1378 Posts
I didn't watch many "minor" Proleague games last season, but went through both last ODT and MST, and I have to say Fantasy and Spear impressed me. They played solid and consistent games. Was it just that they were better prepared than their opponents? I'd like to think not, and I look forward to seeing them on a more regular basis. | ||
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stageleft
United States19 Posts
Because I can't really think of somebody not mentioned already, I think that Best could develop into a strong SKT1 leader. Him combined with decent coaching from OOv, SKT1 winning rookie leagues (which is really an indicator of a stacked rookie lineup than anything else) SKT1 might be well on its way to the SKT1 of yore. That being said, I have no idea how one turns a rookie into a champion. | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
 Tempest)Is( develop. His micro was really good against...who was it. Pure from WeMade Fox. But I think that the proxy gate that Zeus beat him with woulda taken almost anyone. Stupid has-been owning up young talent. He's undefeated in minor leagues though. It doesn't count toward your TLPD win/loss record, apparently. | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On March 27 2008 09:03 Daigomi wrote: Thanks Haji, I've missed your presence on TL, and this is a very nice article, even though I disagree with you a bit. Firstly, I'd put KTF even higher up. Yes, I am a KTF fan, but of all the teams I really think that KTF shows the most potential, with multiple players showing potential, rather than one or two. After that I would move eSTRO way down. Cool is no longer up-and-coming in my opinion. He has had his chance ot shine, and has shown no consistent results. Magma is a steady player, but he doesn't show as much potential for growth as say Ruby or 815. I would move eSTRO to behind MBC. Watching Zero's games have done nothing for me. He's macro seems potentially good, but his unit control, decision making, and just general game sense seems dreadful. Maybe this year will prove me wrong, we'll have to see. Guemchi has potential, but it still shows sporadically, so I'd move Hanbit down to sixth position. Calm seriously impressed me at the end of Proleague R1, with among other wins, a good victory over Bisu. On comes R2, and Calm just doesn't seem to win, and he doesn't qualify for any leagues either. I have lost some faith in Calm, but can still see him doing something. I agree with you fully on go.go. More than just their player with the most potential for growth, go.go would be my go to guy in OGN at the moment. Both the twins are unpredictable, and it seems like only go.go (with his unpredictable playing style), delivers consistent results. I've always liked him as well- a little arrogant brat that made TT throw a temper tantrum and laughed about it afterwards. He seems to have a bit of zest that some players are lacking. CJ I agree with you completely. Kwanro performed incredibly well, and then seemed to get caught in a creativity rut where he showed nothing new in game after game. TheMania and Devil both show potential for growth though (and I consider the Mania a very decent player already), so I'm looking forward to watching CJ next season. Samsung... Their position feels right, but they don't seem to have any up and coming players. Jangbi seems to me to be established already, so I wouldn't really include him, and they're not trying out anyone new, so I'd probably move Samsung down considerably. The only player that I still feel has great potential for growth is FBH, even though he's a strong player already. Finally, I think MBC can be a bit higher. Ruby shows great potential, and I enjoy watching him play. Shark has recently shown an upsurge in form, and it seems like he has worked on his less than brilliant macro as well, so I think he could improve more too, and Hyun... at the very least he delivers entertaining games. I think he has what it takes, and MBC seems to be playing him fairly often in the proleague, so they have faith in him too. That's my opinion on the matter! Thanks for the great write-up, it's one of the most interesting articles I've read in a while. Hope to see you participate a bit more again! EDIT: And as much as it pains me to say so, I'm still unsure about Haran. He has shown brilliant wins so far, but he hasn't shown flexibillity yet. Once he wins a game with hydras or mutes I will agree with you. But who in KTF actually shows results? Flash and 815 are the only ones who are decent or better these days. They have many of the old superstar names, but most of them are just shadows of their former selves. rA is slumping. Reach is nonexistent. YellOw is nonexistent. Chojja has retired. | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
(Z)NsP_Destiny (P)Oops (Z)Oversky[GsP] (T)SaiR (T)Sea.Shine (Z)YellOw That's the KTF Roster as of TLPD, unless I suck at using it, which is entirely plausible. But Flash is really good, 815, Haran, Lucifer, and Hery have all shown promise. They have games that were pretty good/memorable (those aren't really synonymous). I haven't seen any play from the other no names. And remember, we're looking for players that show promise, not players that have proven themselves (players that have proven themselves probably goes to Lecaf or MBC, but Lecaf won and MBC didn't). | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=68724 Baezzi (many thanks to him) translated this piece with Coach Jo and Jaedong. They said KTF had a lot of young players and a lot of potential as well. Currently watch Nony build shit in Dreiven's base. | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On March 31 2008 08:15 thunk wrote: I feel bad for posting twice....but this just came up and it was relevant. http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=68724 Baezzi (many thanks to him) translated this piece with Coach Jo and Jaedong. They said KTF had a lot of young players and a lot of potential as well. Currently watch Nony build shit in Dreiven's base. Actually, they said currently, KTF isn't that good. But, in the long-term perspective, KTF has a better chance than Lecaf because they have younger players with potential. Potential doesn't equate to current skill. | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
 Flash is. Current Potential doesn't really equate to future aces either. Just look at Canata. There's actually a funny newspost about this very TLFE on gg.net. It's Idra and Manifesto just ripping the gg.net admin for linking this and headlining it with "Hanbit Number 1" or something like that. | ||
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
And why does Haji hate Lecaf so much? | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
The Stars' potential difference-makers, ZerO and Guemchi. The verdict's still out on Guemchi as a really strong player (WL Bonjwa notwithstanding), but ZerO has definitely earned his keep (even if his ZvZ is occasionally pathetic). | ||
flamewheel
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29 fps
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